Abortion is murder. Once conception, it's a baby child, no matter how you put it. If you were asked to be murdered, would you want to? I never have heard a person that is living that was aborted. Shouldn't be legal, because it is MURDER!

MegaRevolution1 :  The world population has nothing to do with my stance, nor does it affect my answer in any way.

The question of rape is a slightly hard one for me to answer. 
Morally, logically, and physically I would still be against the abortion.  I think it's wrong to murder babies.  It's like punishing someone with death for something that wasn't their fault, or that they had no hand in.  (I consider life to start at conception.)

However, emotionally, I could understand why a mother would feel the desire to be rid of such a reminder of the tragedy that took place.  I don't think it's right.  I merely could understand a mother feeling that way.

patar4097 : Your notion that abortion is murder is a valid reason for why you are against it. However when you say "I never have heard of a person that is living that was aborted" runs contrary to your definition of what is an abortion; as to get aborted would mean that you got murdered. How would you define people who get executed by electric chair/firing squad/lethal injection (pretty much death penalty)? It is murder either way you look at the death penalty, but under your definition murder must also mean abortion. So you could say that people who get executed then they must have been aborted as well since murder = abortion.

I'm not saying murder = abortion. It's like saying, in simple terms, pepperoni pizza is pizza. That doesn't mean every pizza is pepperoni pizza. Abortion is a way of murder I guess. Maybe I could have stated that better, but sometimes when I make big posts, I kind of go onto a rant, and don't say stuff quite the right way. Sorry, I just do.

This is a touchy subject that I have an undecided opinion on. On one hand their is the fact that it pretty much is murder. On the other people feel that if the child were not aborted it would lead a bad suffering life. I think it should be the parents choice, but I do not personally condone abortion and feel it is murder.

patar4097 : No problem my good sir I might have taken your words out of context. Its okay if you go a bit into a rant as long as you don't start to attack people (which I can't stand when someone attacks someone because of their opinion).


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I can't speak for all women. Everyone has their own beliefs and some may be able to do something, while others can't. So I'll just say what I would do if I were in that situation.

First of all, I am unable to bare children, so I would definitely not want to have an abortion, no matter the circumstances. I don't believe in abortions, but that's just me. The reason I don't think it's "necessary", is because the woman can give the child up for adoption. That's not exactly an easy choice either, but it is, in my opinion, the better option. I wouldn't be able to live with myself, knowing that I took a life. To me, it's like someone going out and murdering another human being or living creature. I just couldn't do it. Now I am not calling anyone else "a murderer", because it's not my place to judge. I can only speak for myself.

Its not if you want to keep the baby. If you dont want kids and want to have sex, use a condom. It could not be more simple.

Brigand : Actually, it's not that simple. Going by what I've heard, since I've never had experience with one, (nor will I, being a lesbian >w>) they can break quite easily. I think I've even had a friend who was born as a result of one breaking.

It'd be a lot easier to just say "Then don't do it!", but people won't think of that. Some people just either think they're old enough, mature enough, think they can take the risk, or even may be under the influence (specifically, drunk. In most cases, I'd honestly consider this a form of rape, but that's another debate for another time). Sure, you'll get a handful in a group that won't do it until they're married and stuff, but there's still the group that don't, Nya~.

Really, it all falls down on the fact that it's nobodies choice but the two that will parent the child, or the one in some cases.

To explain, if it was a healthy relationship, the female wanted the abortion, but the male wants to keep the child, then I'd say that she should keep it and, if they split after the child is born, let the father raise it.

If it's a case of rape and the mother does NOT want the child at all, then she should be allowed to have the abortion.

If there's a bad relationship and neither want the child, then the mother should be allowed to have the abortion.

If giving birth will risk the mother's life, and the chances are very slim, then she should be allowed to have an abortion, unless she is willing to die for the child to be born, in which can be considered a very noble and respectable sacrifice.

Really, nobody but the pregnant mother and the potential father (Unless it is a case of rape) should be given the choice. It's her/their child, not the rest of societies, Nya~.

MegaRevolution1 :

First of all, you are very much correct. Condoms do rip or leak sometimes and it has happened to me personally as well a few times but lucky for me and the persons involved it never led to pregnancy let alone to an abortion. If this happenes, there are ofcource morning after pills you can take if you were not on the pill already, but those things are huge hormone bombs and can really mess up your system. But if you want to be sure you can be sure.

If a person still gets pregnant, I have to admit I will still stand behind my "simple as that words". If you want to keep it, you keep it. If you dont, you get an abortion. My own opinion is that the person who carries the fetus will do the choice since she is the one whose body it is and who will do the work carrying it and giving birth. And if you are a guy who got in to this situation then no excuses. You should be a man about it, have some responsibilty and bear the consequences of your actions. Simple as that, also.

As for the case of rape, bad relationships or the mothers health, I think MegaRevolution1 pretty much said what I think also.

Also one small hint to all to you young guys who might think you broke one. If it starts suddenly to feel really really good, pull out and check it right away, not after you finish. If it broke, change it and get yourself tested.

My opinion: If you were dumb enough to get knocked up, and not want it, then, well, you dun goofed. But, if you really aren't ready for parenthood, you could get one, and live with "what if".

I'm not necessarily in support of abortion, because it's more or less a lazy way out, but I'm not against people having their own thoughts or ideas, so I say, if they want to have that choice,let them.

In cases of pregnancy from rape, most certainly it should be allowed, but I'm more iffy on the idea of "well cuz i had sex without protection and i dont want no babies now".

It's still life, but it's not in that much of a living state yet.

In too many instances, abortion seems to be seen as a contraceptive method. THAT I am opposed too (yes, I'm a man...)

However, systematic state intervention to totally ban it - as many conservatives want - would make women baby machines, basically, with no saying in the use of their bodies.

my two cents : if, beyond the first trimester, the woman's life is not in danger, then she shouldn't get an abortion. Of course, I'm against State founding of anything but justice and security...

Look here is the VERY basic VERY simple problem and solution here. [granted this is only applicable in the US as far as I know.]
However we look at the problem, does not matter. The Fact of the matter is that the woman wants an abortion and should be allowed to have it. This is her body we are talking about.  Our personal views, religious thoughts, or any of that are honestly Irrelevant .   I would RATHER she went to a clinic or hospital and got a professional to perform the operation, than for her to use 'other methods'.
The simple fact is, that this is her body and SHE has the final right and say to it.

there are many reasons for a woman to need or require an abortion.
#1: Health concerns
#2: product of Rape
#3: after affect of stupidity [got drunk, or was taken advantage of but not raped]
#4: Cant afford it.  The simple fact that kids are expensive is not something any one really considers until they start thinking about it.  It is very possible for a woman to WANT a child and then realize later she CAN'T afford one.

I see no reason based on LOGIC and FACT to not allow a woman to have an abortion.  Reasons based on FAITH and MORALITY have no legal place in the problem.  Morality is different for every person and faith means nothing in the face of the LAW. 
YES it is necessary.  YES it may be seen as murder, and  YES it does sound bad or in fact IS bad.  But it is necessary.

Abortion is necessary in most a few situations.
I myself do not believe in the fact Abortion is evil, the thing is it is not alive and it has no thoughts.
I mean are you saying some who has been raped is not allowed to abort the child that they unlawfully got forced upon them?
What if there are serious health concerns for the baby or the pregnant woman? Underage pregnancy? What are you going to say to people in those situations? Don't abort? I don't think so. Yes is is a moral decision but it still needs proper logic to go through with.



Local Mods : Necessary is misspelled in the thread title, just noting.

Abortion should be illegal, even for a rape victim. The way I see it is, even if you get raped, what is the harm of having a child and giving it to social services? If you aren't ready, it's okay. But killing an innocent, living being is insane, even if they aren't born yet. What if the being you were about to kill would become a doctor, save lives, or become a scientist and discover a cure for diabetes or cancer. Even if the person may have injuries on the birth.