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Jesus.... man, God, or the God-man?

 

07-24-10 10:45 AM
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Chronabis : That little word "just" you inserted there makes the meaning very different. The Bible says He was more than a carpenter that walked on water. Inserting "just" claims that He is only a carpenter that walked on water. Is that what you believe? That He's nothing more? Or do you agree with the Bible?
Chronabis : That little word "just" you inserted there makes the meaning very different. The Bible says He was more than a carpenter that walked on water. Inserting "just" claims that He is only a carpenter that walked on water. Is that what you believe? That He's nothing more? Or do you agree with the Bible?
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TBH, I don't believe any of it. I'm agnostic, but that doesn't mean I can't have a serious convo... I wasn't being serious nate, in case you couldn't tell. Just trying to have some fun ^^. I've never read it but believe me, I know whats in the bible. If you lived with my grandma, you'd know it as well as I do too. all she did was preach all day long. the sad thing is is that she was trying to do her duties to God by trying to teach me the bible, but all she did was make me not believe in Him anymore. (and dont yell at me for going off topic because I was answering a question )

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TBH, I don't believe any of it. I'm agnostic, but that doesn't mean I can't have a serious convo... I wasn't being serious nate, in case you couldn't tell. Just trying to have some fun ^^. I've never read it but believe me, I know whats in the bible. If you lived with my grandma, you'd know it as well as I do too. all she did was preach all day long. the sad thing is is that she was trying to do her duties to God by trying to teach me the bible, but all she did was make me not believe in Him anymore. (and dont yell at me for going off topic because I was answering a question )

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(edited by Chronabis on 07-24-10 10:53 AM)    

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Here is a quote from the deceased Christian apologist C.S. Lewis:

"You must make your choice. Either this man was and is the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

My view is that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. The Bible says He was in the beginning and had a part in the creation (John 1:1-3). Then Jesus was born into this world in the likeness of a man, but His deity was never removed. After His crucifixion He was resurrected and thus is no longer in the flesh. Well that's my faith and my intent now is to try to paint a picture of Christianity. We know from history that in the first few centuries of Christianity hundreds of thousands of people were killed for believing in the Messiahship of Jesus. Why were thousands of first century Christians willing to be crucified, stoned, beheaded, eaten by lions, burned at the stake and even fried alive in metal pans for belief in Jesus?

Well the resurrection of Christ, next to His crucifixion, is the most important teaching of the Bible. If He didn't come back from the dead, then Christians are all still dead in their sins because there is no Savior. But the Christian faith is founded upon that event. If the resurrection of Christ was a mere fairy tale, why would every one of the apostles go to an early grave for a lie? Experience tells us that whenever there is conspiracy, someone always breaks. This is especially the case when the indictments start flying and the person knows they are going to serve Jail time. Someone will break. They always do. And when the first person does break, others will follow because everyone is out to try and save their own hide. Every single apostle (with the exception of John) died gruesome and painful deaths, because they confessed the truth of the resurrected Christ.

I have in my possession a book called "Jesus Freaks" which lists the accounts and stories of at least 200 hundred Christians who were martyred for their faith. The book was written in 1998 and in it reads: "It is said that there are more Christian martyrs today than there were in 100 A.D.--in the days of the Roman Empire. According to a study done at Regent University, there were close to 156,000 Christians martyred around the world in 1998." My question is this, if Jesus is not God then would the Christians be lunatics for dying for their belief? Modern statistics of total Christian martyrs are estimated to total around 70 Million. If Jesus was just a man, then all those Christians died in ignorance; a pretty sad conclusion.
Here is a quote from the deceased Christian apologist C.S. Lewis:

"You must make your choice. Either this man was and is the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

My view is that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. The Bible says He was in the beginning and had a part in the creation (John 1:1-3). Then Jesus was born into this world in the likeness of a man, but His deity was never removed. After His crucifixion He was resurrected and thus is no longer in the flesh. Well that's my faith and my intent now is to try to paint a picture of Christianity. We know from history that in the first few centuries of Christianity hundreds of thousands of people were killed for believing in the Messiahship of Jesus. Why were thousands of first century Christians willing to be crucified, stoned, beheaded, eaten by lions, burned at the stake and even fried alive in metal pans for belief in Jesus?

Well the resurrection of Christ, next to His crucifixion, is the most important teaching of the Bible. If He didn't come back from the dead, then Christians are all still dead in their sins because there is no Savior. But the Christian faith is founded upon that event. If the resurrection of Christ was a mere fairy tale, why would every one of the apostles go to an early grave for a lie? Experience tells us that whenever there is conspiracy, someone always breaks. This is especially the case when the indictments start flying and the person knows they are going to serve Jail time. Someone will break. They always do. And when the first person does break, others will follow because everyone is out to try and save their own hide. Every single apostle (with the exception of John) died gruesome and painful deaths, because they confessed the truth of the resurrected Christ.

I have in my possession a book called "Jesus Freaks" which lists the accounts and stories of at least 200 hundred Christians who were martyred for their faith. The book was written in 1998 and in it reads: "It is said that there are more Christian martyrs today than there were in 100 A.D.--in the days of the Roman Empire. According to a study done at Regent University, there were close to 156,000 Christians martyred around the world in 1998." My question is this, if Jesus is not God then would the Christians be lunatics for dying for their belief? Modern statistics of total Christian martyrs are estimated to total around 70 Million. If Jesus was just a man, then all those Christians died in ignorance; a pretty sad conclusion.
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Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity. Just think Hercules in the form of a less annoying character who is more awesome since he can even let demons have their fun, and kill themselves.

The humorous, yet serious thing aside, Jesus is God. Why else is he in the Trinity? Just because God likes to make us more confused? God's sense of humor is odd, but I doubt that is part of it.
Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity. Just think Hercules in the form of a less annoying character who is more awesome since he can even let demons have their fun, and kill themselves.

The humorous, yet serious thing aside, Jesus is God. Why else is he in the Trinity? Just because God likes to make us more confused? God's sense of humor is odd, but I doubt that is part of it.
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Both and neither, the Bible says that Jesus came as 100% God and 100% man. He gave up his "immortality" you might say, just to die for everyone so that they could live in heaven with God when he returns.
Both and neither, the Bible says that Jesus came as 100% God and 100% man. He gave up his "immortality" you might say, just to die for everyone so that they could live in heaven with God when he returns.
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I believe he is all God and all human. HE did all those miracles that are considered God-like, such as walking on water and raising the dead, but he bled, suffered, and died, which made him human.
I believe he is all God and all human. HE did all those miracles that are considered God-like, such as walking on water and raising the dead, but he bled, suffered, and died, which made him human.
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