Who's the best? In what game? Bleh.

Make tier lists here and show your opinions. It doesn't take very long to make one, and you don't have to be an expert on every character. Assuming you've at least played every character in each game once in your life, you should have basic ideas of who's best and who is worst. You don't even have to do every character, it's pretty overwhelming with Smash 4 so lots of people just do the best chars and the worst chars

TIER LIST MAKER LINK

My opinions (so much better than my last tier list, seriously who puts Game & Watch higher than Peach?)

Melee

Project M (please excuse ROB's placement, that was accidental)

Feel no obligation (I doubt anyone will respond anyways), but I'm interested in hearing tier lists from...

yoshirulez! : You've expressed your arguments on official tier lists before... I'd like to see a Melee one from you

m0ssb3rg935 : For comparison

Razor-987 : You seem knowledgeable on Smash, right?

Sword legion : Pro MLG player

bombchu link : More comparison

h yes, the tiers


I'll only be talking about smash 4 so bear with me.

I think it's good that I do a final evaluation of 1.10 as the new patch comes out in 4 days from the time of this post (super mario maker yay)


Top tiers:

Shiek: this ones a no brainer, with her great speed, the tool for every situation, and her bread and butter Fair, it's easy to have her at the top of the list.

Strengths:

Speed, combo potential, ability to body almost everyone or camp them out with needles beat almost every high and top tier

Weaknesses:

Low kill power, kills at 120-140

What I would like to see next patch:

NEEEEEEDLE NERFSSSS




Zero Suit Samus:

kills at 20% off grab, Uair, Uair, UpB and is Sakurai's waifu, of course she's top tier, and never getting nerfs.

NEXT

jk

ZSS is fast and the new Falcon from melee her stungun sets up into grab that can rack about 20% per grab unless you are at 20%, then you die (it is a 50% mixup, but yeah) also her flipkick it has invincibity forever on startup, and it's safe on shield, not only that, you can jump either way on contact so no chasing on perfect shield. Also it means she can recover from almost anywhere.

Flipkick nerf plz


pikachu :

Super fast, as fast a shiek and has kill power, but is lighter then shiek.

I think Pika is top tier is because he beats every high tier, he just does and has an even matchup with shiek, and BEATS SHIEK with customs.

He (it?) combo's heavy and has a mixup that kills at 90% (DI depentant)

And has powerful smashes

nerfs? Idk maybe less damage on some moves like Uair?



peach :

Yes, I think Peach is top tier, with 40% combos, incredible spacing tools that nobody even comes close to and the ability to infinite a majority of the cast, why is peach never talked about?

She doesn't suffer against the top tiers like at all, kills shiek/pikachu at 90 with rage (already got half of that off of that combo) and can float over ZSS's/luigi's shenanigan grabs.

nerfs? none she's hard as heck to play and deserves to be better then shiek if you can master her, but nobody except EOE and slayerz has done so.


luigi :

GRAB + Dthrow = EVERYTIHNG

Nerf Bair, and Usmash, knockback and Uair damage I'm happy.

I can ran on how easy luigi is to play I swear aside from mastering tornado you can master luigi in some 8 hours. everyone has a pocket luigi now.


That's it for top tiers, now high tiers



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Cpt. Falcon
DK
Mario
Sonic
Yoshi
Diddy
Ness
Ike
Fox
Lucario
MetaKnight
Villager
Wii Fit
Shulk
Pacman
Roy
Sonic
Ryu
Mii Brawler
Little Mac
ROB
Charizard
Greninga

These characters are ok and don't need changed, we know about these characters alot so I'm gonna just jump on down and cover the mid tiers and speak about what they need the most to be high tiers.

Link: speed increase just a bit. He barely misses high tier, also better grab. (you gave him a better Dthrow, now just give us a good grab)

Toon Link: More speed, he has good potential with boomerang setups and bombs to combo into smashes

Marth/Lucina: combo throw please, please, also a little less end lag on arials, you did good in 1.0.8 sakurai, just a little more plz.

Olimar: I don't know anything about him so I'm gonna blindly say more damage per hit?

Megaman: read above

Falco: Speed please, make him more like fox, and add laser canceling please.

Pit: make him faster, he looks like a fast fighter and make more height on his initial jump so he has more moves out of it and increase speed

Dark pit: increase speed as well, and make his micro shock send players horizontal instead of a 45 so players don't have to DI at ALL.

kirby : more disjoint? every time he goes to make a hit he takes a risk, he needs something to seriously counter that weakness without breaking him, and I don't think Utilts like back in Smash 64 is the answer.

Jigglypuff: Make rest kill at 0 instead of 60% seriously this would make her top tier instantly. also reduce knockback on Uthrow, seriously it should combo into rest at 0%

Mew2: remove the hurtbox on his tail please, he needs disjoint, also why does he die for no reason at 90%

Wario: he's high tier with customs, but a hard camper; he needs more combos of of dthrow

Robin: Make him faster and he's high tier like Pacman.

Game and watch: idrk, make it so he can't bucket shiek's vanish though, it kills at 0% and breaks shields. _/

Low tiers:


Samus: FASTER SHES SUPPOSE TO BE MORE POWERFUL WITH THE SUIT ON

As for Bowser Gannon and DDD, I think they just suck in 1 on 1 and always will, I don't think they need buffed as Bowser and Gannon have shield breaks and insane punish moves It is the oe flaw in how we only play seriously in one format.


I know I missed some characters, but that's all I can really say with my current knowledge.

Sorry for the late reply, the wifi was down 5evar. All I can really offer is my own personal preferences on a few characters since, in all honesty, I'm a total smash noob. :  I have rarely used many of the characters from melee since I stick to the heavy hitters like Roy almost all the time, but attempting to use Link or Samus on occasion. Generally though, Roy is the only character I'm even remotely good at. And while he may be one of the less agile or versatile characters, I can usually KO with only a few, well timed smashes.