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10-30-13 05:14 PM
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Would freedom at the expense of inequality be a preferable system to living under a dictatorship?

Would it not be more ethical for the needs of the many to outweigh the needs of the few or is the freedom of all enough to rule out an imposed system of dictates?

What is your philosophical view?
Would freedom at the expense of inequality be a preferable system to living under a dictatorship?

Would it not be more ethical for the needs of the many to outweigh the needs of the few or is the freedom of all enough to rule out an imposed system of dictates?

What is your philosophical view?
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Freedom . Yeah freedom might be a little bad with the discrimination . BUT in Dictatorship it would be much worse . One person or group leading you and telling you what to do . All the power in their hands . It goes to their head . Freedom is way better in my opinion  
Freedom . Yeah freedom might be a little bad with the discrimination . BUT in Dictatorship it would be much worse . One person or group leading you and telling you what to do . All the power in their hands . It goes to their head . Freedom is way better in my opinion  
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Your assumption about the dictatorship is that it would be ethical somehow and I don't know if we've ever seen an ethical dictatorship.

Absolute power corrupts and no one should have it.
Your assumption about the dictatorship is that it would be ethical somehow and I don't know if we've ever seen an ethical dictatorship.

Absolute power corrupts and no one should have it.
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I was under the impression that every democracy was full of inequaities. How many poor kids become doctors or magistrates?
Iv never know a dictatorship to fix that so what exactly do we gain?
I was under the impression that every democracy was full of inequaities. How many poor kids become doctors or magistrates?
Iv never know a dictatorship to fix that so what exactly do we gain?
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To my views between Freedom and a Dictatorship is really depends on how you view it, to my point of view, Freedom, could be all great, but a the same time, it does have it's limits though, while in a dictatorship, it's where you have one person who is a leader who happens to tell everyone on what to do and makes them obey their every command with force which is really bad to have, so to be honest, I much rather choose freedom over a dictatorship more likely because I want to be more free than living in a place where you're forced to to what you really don't want to do.
To my views between Freedom and a Dictatorship is really depends on how you view it, to my point of view, Freedom, could be all great, but a the same time, it does have it's limits though, while in a dictatorship, it's where you have one person who is a leader who happens to tell everyone on what to do and makes them obey their every command with force which is really bad to have, so to be honest, I much rather choose freedom over a dictatorship more likely because I want to be more free than living in a place where you're forced to to what you really don't want to do.
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Surely there's some middle ground between a dictatorship, and pure freedom. There have been many dictatorships, but I don't think there's any country that's ever been purely free from government. Not that I think there should be either.
Surely there's some middle ground between a dictatorship, and pure freedom. There have been many dictatorships, but I don't think there's any country that's ever been purely free from government. Not that I think there should be either.
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Some peoples idea of freedom to me is really closer to a dictatorship. Communism runs better than any Capitalistic government will ever run, but some dictatorships turn into Fascism (the true face of evil). Freedom should be the goal of the human race. True freedom, not a republic or democracy. Anarchism is the only thing that will ever offer you freedom, but will not be possible in the US (or not in my life time), the US is plagued with power lust, greed, and hate.

I am an Anarchist and will always be an Anarchist, our beliefs is not some fairy tail dream, but a realization that no king or president could ever rule you better than you.

To answer your question, freedom.
Some peoples idea of freedom to me is really closer to a dictatorship. Communism runs better than any Capitalistic government will ever run, but some dictatorships turn into Fascism (the true face of evil). Freedom should be the goal of the human race. True freedom, not a republic or democracy. Anarchism is the only thing that will ever offer you freedom, but will not be possible in the US (or not in my life time), the US is plagued with power lust, greed, and hate.

I am an Anarchist and will always be an Anarchist, our beliefs is not some fairy tail dream, but a realization that no king or president could ever rule you better than you.

To answer your question, freedom.
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Freedom and dictatorship is not mutually exclusive. How do we know if the dictator will be malicious or beneficent? Freedom is good, but how do we know that freedom will be used to promote equality (even if imperfect)? Germany elected the Nazi party, and there have been plenty beneficent monarchs.

Republicanism and Fascism equally have potential for evil. However, Republicanism has the checks and balances ability where fascism does not. Fascism's has less red tape and can move very quickly, but unchecked power is dangerous.

I prefer Republicanism over fascism, but democracy (not equal to republicanism!!!) and fascism are equally dangerous.
Freedom and dictatorship is not mutually exclusive. How do we know if the dictator will be malicious or beneficent? Freedom is good, but how do we know that freedom will be used to promote equality (even if imperfect)? Germany elected the Nazi party, and there have been plenty beneficent monarchs.

Republicanism and Fascism equally have potential for evil. However, Republicanism has the checks and balances ability where fascism does not. Fascism's has less red tape and can move very quickly, but unchecked power is dangerous.

I prefer Republicanism over fascism, but democracy (not equal to republicanism!!!) and fascism are equally dangerous.
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Until people can treat each other with dignity and respect I don't believe it matters that much.  With freedom people are free to do harmful things to others for power or money.  Under a dictatorship the government would undoubtedly become corrupt.  Until the underlying causes for peoples need to feel better about themselves by being richer or simply insulting somebody for fun are gone a government can only accomplish so much.
Until people can treat each other with dignity and respect I don't believe it matters that much.  With freedom people are free to do harmful things to others for power or money.  Under a dictatorship the government would undoubtedly become corrupt.  Until the underlying causes for peoples need to feel better about themselves by being richer or simply insulting somebody for fun are gone a government can only accomplish so much.
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being a dictatorship does not imply a lack of freedom. it depends entirely on the monarch in question. provided the person is competent, and truly cares for his people, there is no guarantee that freedom will be lost.

whats more, in republics are in fact where the most violations of freedom happen. most dictators arent evil mad men, but people who feel a common bond with their subjects, who in turn feel the same with their lord because that person protects them, and most often simply desires some form of payment to help keep everything running smoothly. not at all like america, where if you dont give the government 1/3 of everything you make for the rest of your life, or dont work period, you can and in many cases will, be thrown into prison where all of your "freedom" is stripped from you, and you are forced to live like a caged animal.
being a dictatorship does not imply a lack of freedom. it depends entirely on the monarch in question. provided the person is competent, and truly cares for his people, there is no guarantee that freedom will be lost.

whats more, in republics are in fact where the most violations of freedom happen. most dictators arent evil mad men, but people who feel a common bond with their subjects, who in turn feel the same with their lord because that person protects them, and most often simply desires some form of payment to help keep everything running smoothly. not at all like america, where if you dont give the government 1/3 of everything you make for the rest of your life, or dont work period, you can and in many cases will, be thrown into prison where all of your "freedom" is stripped from you, and you are forced to live like a caged animal.
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Democracy does not necessarily mean freedom, since there is always an option that the majority or at least who gets the most votes out of the options available, will vote for an oppressive theocratic rule like how it happened in Egypt not so log ago. Or how Hitler came into power in the thirties. He won the election instead of having some fascist coup de tat which he had failed to do earlier.

My own personal "vote" goes ofcource to freedom. I don't believe in any kid of "enlightened dictatorships" since, like it was mentioned here earlier, power corrupts so such a thing cannot simply exist in my opinion. What I would prefer the most is more or less anarchist society and a direct democracy instead of parliamentary one, but I am aware of its flaws and the foolishness of supporting an Utopian society. The real problem with that I guess would be that more you have freedom, the more you also have responsibilities. Instead of having others thinking for you, you have to do it yourself and be constantly aware how you have to deal with others on top of looking after yourself.

Because that what I believe real freedom is. Being responsible of your own actions and also for the welfare of others since in a completely free society nobody is going to be responsible for those things for you. And that I guess is also a bit of an catch-22. The more freedom you have, the more you are chained. In the end of the day, I don't blame anyone for rather being a happy slave than a starving rebel.
Democracy does not necessarily mean freedom, since there is always an option that the majority or at least who gets the most votes out of the options available, will vote for an oppressive theocratic rule like how it happened in Egypt not so log ago. Or how Hitler came into power in the thirties. He won the election instead of having some fascist coup de tat which he had failed to do earlier.

My own personal "vote" goes ofcource to freedom. I don't believe in any kid of "enlightened dictatorships" since, like it was mentioned here earlier, power corrupts so such a thing cannot simply exist in my opinion. What I would prefer the most is more or less anarchist society and a direct democracy instead of parliamentary one, but I am aware of its flaws and the foolishness of supporting an Utopian society. The real problem with that I guess would be that more you have freedom, the more you also have responsibilities. Instead of having others thinking for you, you have to do it yourself and be constantly aware how you have to deal with others on top of looking after yourself.

Because that what I believe real freedom is. Being responsible of your own actions and also for the welfare of others since in a completely free society nobody is going to be responsible for those things for you. And that I guess is also a bit of an catch-22. The more freedom you have, the more you are chained. In the end of the day, I don't blame anyone for rather being a happy slave than a starving rebel.
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"Excessive freedom is nothing more but excessive slavery". Many people dont truly understand what freedom is until it is taken away from them...My point is that everyone deserve their share of freedom - no more, no less.
"Excessive freedom is nothing more but excessive slavery". Many people dont truly understand what freedom is until it is taken away from them...My point is that everyone deserve their share of freedom - no more, no less.
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I am going to agree with Geeogree on this one. Dictator ships are never a good option for any kind of government. I would take anything over a dictator ship.
I am going to agree with Geeogree on this one. Dictator ships are never a good option for any kind of government. I would take anything over a dictator ship.
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"Absolute power absolutely corrupts." I'm far from a historian or psychologist but I generally believe that. Perhaps there's a person, one in a billion, who could handle it, but history has shown otherwise.
Obviously, too much freedom (correct me if I'm wrong, but you could call it anarchy) leads to just as bad consequences.
"Absolute power absolutely corrupts." I'm far from a historian or psychologist but I generally believe that. Perhaps there's a person, one in a billion, who could handle it, but history has shown otherwise.
Obviously, too much freedom (correct me if I'm wrong, but you could call it anarchy) leads to just as bad consequences.
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epicamazing :

Anarchy means "without a ruler." Not "with too much freedom".
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Anarchy means "without a ruler." Not "with too much freedom".
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Brigand : I didn't say it "means" that. I said, in anarchy, the people have too much freedom.
Brigand : I didn't say it "means" that. I said, in anarchy, the people have too much freedom.
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There ought to be limits to freedom said one wise man.
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There ought to be limits to freedom said one wise man.
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Is freedom perfect no, but it is so much better. In some countries like Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and North Korea, you have a small group or one person in control. In countries that have dictatorship people can be executed for no reason, they have no rights, and are often abused. In freedom countries like Israel and America, people have rights. Such as we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion. In a free country people can also have opportunities   
Is freedom perfect no, but it is so much better. In some countries like Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and North Korea, you have a small group or one person in control. In countries that have dictatorship people can be executed for no reason, they have no rights, and are often abused. In freedom countries like Israel and America, people have rights. Such as we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion. In a free country people can also have opportunities   
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Nope, I think freedom is better.. freedom is a group of people who can do what they want where as if there was a dictatorship there would be somebody who called all the shots and having one person do everything is a mistake.
Nope, I think freedom is better.. freedom is a group of people who can do what they want where as if there was a dictatorship there would be somebody who called all the shots and having one person do everything is a mistake.
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A dictatorship can very easily go wrong, as it's one person with one point of view leading the whole show. Inequality is a small price to pay for knowing that you can say and do what you want. Plus, with freedom, you have the freedom to work to balance out the inequalities.
A dictatorship can very easily go wrong, as it's one person with one point of view leading the whole show. Inequality is a small price to pay for knowing that you can say and do what you want. Plus, with freedom, you have the freedom to work to balance out the inequalities.
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