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07-12-13 05:33 PM
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Good day folks.
I heard this story on a TV show about an Iowa dental assistant who was fired by her boss because she was considered "too attractive" and that her attractiveness "threatened his marriage." I waited to make a thread about this topic as it was only a trial court ruling. But recently the Iowa Supreme Court ruled that employers can fire workers for being "too attractive" if the believe the attractiveness will result in problems with the marriage. The Iowa court said that this isn't Sex discrimination as the firing is based off of "feelings" rather then gender. Here is the funny thing... The woman who is suing her boss says that she wasn't having an affair with her boss and the boss semi-confirmed it. Even thou the boss did make some rather suggestive text messages (such as asking the co-worker how often she has an orgasm), complained that the woman's outfit was so revealing that it distracted him from work, and treated her better then other employees. After the boss' wife found out about the text messages, the boss fired her to "protect his marriage." So what do you guys think of this? Here are some questions... 1. Is this Sex discrimination or not? 2. Does it seem like the Boss was just trying to cover up his flirting or did he really care about his marriage? 3. Is firing someone because they are Attractive a valid reason for termination? 4. Will this be a case for the Supreme Court of the United States? Good day folks.
I heard this story on a TV show about an Iowa dental assistant who was fired by her boss because she was considered "too attractive" and that her attractiveness "threatened his marriage." I waited to make a thread about this topic as it was only a trial court ruling. But recently the Iowa Supreme Court ruled that employers can fire workers for being "too attractive" if the believe the attractiveness will result in problems with the marriage. The Iowa court said that this isn't Sex discrimination as the firing is based off of "feelings" rather then gender. Here is the funny thing... The woman who is suing her boss says that she wasn't having an affair with her boss and the boss semi-confirmed it. Even thou the boss did make some rather suggestive text messages (such as asking the co-worker how often she has an orgasm), complained that the woman's outfit was so revealing that it distracted him from work, and treated her better then other employees. After the boss' wife found out about the text messages, the boss fired her to "protect his marriage." So what do you guys think of this? Here are some questions... 1. Is this Sex discrimination or not? 2. Does it seem like the Boss was just trying to cover up his flirting or did he really care about his marriage? 3. Is firing someone because they are Attractive a valid reason for termination? 4. Will this be a case for the Supreme Court of the United States? |
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1. Is this Sex discrimination or not? You know, as messed up as it is, it is not exactly sex discrimination. You can fire a guy for being too attractive too, if the situation were reversed. 2. Does it seem like the Boss was just trying to cover up his flirting or did he really care about his marriage? I think he was trying to cover it up. But... since the whole thing is on the news... it's not exactly covered up any more, is it? XD 3. Is firing someone because they are Attractive a valid reason for termination? No, it is not. I would think it would just draw in more business, not harm the business. 4. Will this be a case for the Supreme Court of the United States? I think they will try to go to the United States Supreme Court, but I do not think that the Supreme Court will rule on it. You know, as messed up as it is, it is not exactly sex discrimination. You can fire a guy for being too attractive too, if the situation were reversed. 2. Does it seem like the Boss was just trying to cover up his flirting or did he really care about his marriage? I think he was trying to cover it up. But... since the whole thing is on the news... it's not exactly covered up any more, is it? XD 3. Is firing someone because they are Attractive a valid reason for termination? No, it is not. I would think it would just draw in more business, not harm the business. 4. Will this be a case for the Supreme Court of the United States? I think they will try to go to the United States Supreme Court, but I do not think that the Supreme Court will rule on it. |
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It would be sex discrimination if he had no females on his staff or fired every female he hired within a short time. Just because she's a female and he's a male doesn't make it discrimination. I don't know his strategy but when he fired her he gave the why to avoid conflict. Or he's creating buzz and marketing like we're talking about it right now. Who knows what other people think? Employment is generally 'at-will employment' which means either party, employer or employee can terminate a job for any reason or no reason. There is nothing wrong with firing someone because they cause a distraction and are interfering with the job. It is well within the rights of any employer to terminate someone's job. No. This is not important enough to go the Supreme Court. There have been other instances of this happening. I don't know his strategy but when he fired her he gave the why to avoid conflict. Or he's creating buzz and marketing like we're talking about it right now. Who knows what other people think? Employment is generally 'at-will employment' which means either party, employer or employee can terminate a job for any reason or no reason. There is nothing wrong with firing someone because they cause a distraction and are interfering with the job. It is well within the rights of any employer to terminate someone's job. No. This is not important enough to go the Supreme Court. There have been other instances of this happening. |
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This is a weird one, maybe the boss didn't want to get himself in big trouble from being too attracted to said employee either way it's a bad decision anyways and he should not have hired in the first place if this was the end game |
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Yeah, I don't think you can truly call it "discrimination" in this case, but it's certainly something... Personally, I don't think it truly counts as "sexual discrimination" unless he has done this several times before, or any other different scenario occurs.
He definitely wasn't trying to cover up the flirting at all. It truly just seems like he was trying to protect his marriage. While there definitely were better ways to protect his marriage, it does seem justifiable by law. I think it's a bit of a complicated case when you want to consider it "justifiable", so I'll just agree with the law in this case and say that, due to the recent ruling, it was fair. "But recently the Iowa Supreme Court ruled that employers can fire workers for being "too attractive" if the believe the attractiveness will result in problems with the marriage." - Doesn't this mean it already was a case? He definitely wasn't trying to cover up the flirting at all. It truly just seems like he was trying to protect his marriage. While there definitely were better ways to protect his marriage, it does seem justifiable by law. I think it's a bit of a complicated case when you want to consider it "justifiable", so I'll just agree with the law in this case and say that, due to the recent ruling, it was fair. "But recently the Iowa Supreme Court ruled that employers can fire workers for being "too attractive" if the believe the attractiveness will result in problems with the marriage." - Doesn't this mean it already was a case? |
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It is discrimination. When you select people or fire them for reasons other than their ability to do the job that is discrimination. If you hired only woman that would also be discrimination, even if they attracted a ton of male customers, because you are being unfair in your selection, the males could potentially do a better job, but you want your staff to look beautiful.
That guy is a complete *sshole for firing her, and I would totally take it all the way for unfair dismissal. If she was late, had poor hygiene or scruffy uniform, a bad attitude, anything relevant to the job, it could be grounds for firing. But being the opposite gender? If i was only attracted to black people and fired a black person because i was afraid of jepordising my marriage, even though its not really racism, it is clearly wrong and pretty borderline because for all intents and purposes, im firing them over their race. To all intents and purposes, this woman was fired for her gender. If that guy doesent have enough commitment to stay faithful, that's his fault. Random similar article btw, except a guy this time: http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/08/too-handsome-guy-kicked-out-of-saudi-arabia-could-be-too-sexy-for-facebook-after-fan-page-removed-3733295/ That guy is a complete *sshole for firing her, and I would totally take it all the way for unfair dismissal. If she was late, had poor hygiene or scruffy uniform, a bad attitude, anything relevant to the job, it could be grounds for firing. But being the opposite gender? If i was only attracted to black people and fired a black person because i was afraid of jepordising my marriage, even though its not really racism, it is clearly wrong and pretty borderline because for all intents and purposes, im firing them over their race. To all intents and purposes, this woman was fired for her gender. If that guy doesent have enough commitment to stay faithful, that's his fault. Random similar article btw, except a guy this time: http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/08/too-handsome-guy-kicked-out-of-saudi-arabia-could-be-too-sexy-for-facebook-after-fan-page-removed-3733295/ |
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You are firing someone who is completely normal because of their physical appearance, that is coming very close to discrimination. It's not quite, as discrimination is defined as treating people of a specific group worst than others. Now we could say "attractive" is the group his is discriminating against, but then we are assuming. It could have been this ONE woman only who ever made him feel this way, and nothing to do with "attractive" people in general. Regardless, I think it's still wrong. I guess we will need to find a new word to describe this; there probably already exists one, but I can't think of it. Imagine he fired a woman because she was ugly. That would never have stood, it would have been an uproar. Why is it not the case with the opposite? Because people don't feel as bad for a pretty girl as an ugly one? Regardless, I think it's still wrong. I guess we will need to find a new word to describe this; there probably already exists one, but I can't think of it. Imagine he fired a woman because she was ugly. That would never have stood, it would have been an uproar. Why is it not the case with the opposite? Because people don't feel as bad for a pretty girl as an ugly one? |
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This is quite sexist and something should be done, if you feel another women is threatening your marriage in the first place. Your marriage isn't very strong at all. Men 0 : Women 1 |
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Iowa, my home state, I am disappoint. With that being said; 1. Is this Sex discrimination or not? Yes, yes it is. All because some creepy guy sends dirty texts and flirts with her, he fires her for not responding, and because he can't learn any self-control. Or so it seems. 2. Does it seem like the Boss was just trying to cover up his flirting or did he really care about his marriage? There is a possibility that the answer to this question is a little bit of both, maybe he felt bad about what he did and really did love his wife, but didn't want word of what he's done to get out. It isn't always only one or the other. 3. Is firing someone because they are Attractive a valid reason for termination? No, nobody should lose their job because someone else thinks about them too much. 4. Will this be a case for the Supreme Court of the United States? I don't think so, this doesn't seem all that worthy of the United State's Highest court and national attention. Iowa, my home state, I am disappoint. With that being said; 1. Is this Sex discrimination or not? Yes, yes it is. All because some creepy guy sends dirty texts and flirts with her, he fires her for not responding, and because he can't learn any self-control. Or so it seems. 2. Does it seem like the Boss was just trying to cover up his flirting or did he really care about his marriage? There is a possibility that the answer to this question is a little bit of both, maybe he felt bad about what he did and really did love his wife, but didn't want word of what he's done to get out. It isn't always only one or the other. 3. Is firing someone because they are Attractive a valid reason for termination? No, nobody should lose their job because someone else thinks about them too much. 4. Will this be a case for the Supreme Court of the United States? I don't think so, this doesn't seem all that worthy of the United State's Highest court and national attention. |
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Oldschool41 : I think that you as the owner of your buisiness should be able to fire anyone for any reason. Why? Just because you own the business. I realize that this could lead to discrimination, which I disagree with. But if we take antidiscrimination laws to far, then we might do something like say, force gay people to eat at Chick ful A. People refusing buisiness services or jobs to other individuals is just another way that they are allowed to protest. If I was having trouble with someone,like that boss was, then I would probably fire her. . . but I would make it happen on the best terms that I could, and help her get a job elswhere if I could. I think that you as the owner of your buisiness should be able to fire anyone for any reason. Why? Just because you own the business. I realize that this could lead to discrimination, which I disagree with. But if we take antidiscrimination laws to far, then we might do something like say, force gay people to eat at Chick ful A. People refusing buisiness services or jobs to other individuals is just another way that they are allowed to protest. If I was having trouble with someone,like that boss was, then I would probably fire her. . . but I would make it happen on the best terms that I could, and help her get a job elswhere if I could. |
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I heard about this... 1. Well, I guess not. It could be a male in the position. It depends if the boss treated the employee right or not. If not, it's sex discrimination, otherwise, he's serious and thinks his wife is uglier. 2. Like I said, it depends how he treated her. Did he abuse her and yell at her a lot? Or did he act all nice and flirty in the past? The past is the key to the case, really. 3. Honestly, no. If they're "attractive," they would, theoretically, raise business. It's retarded how people would fire for being attractive. It's stupid, and while he has all authority to do that, it's just stupid. 4. Pretty sure the lower courts are reasonable enough to handle this. 1. Well, I guess not. It could be a male in the position. It depends if the boss treated the employee right or not. If not, it's sex discrimination, otherwise, he's serious and thinks his wife is uglier. 2. Like I said, it depends how he treated her. Did he abuse her and yell at her a lot? Or did he act all nice and flirty in the past? The past is the key to the case, really. 3. Honestly, no. If they're "attractive," they would, theoretically, raise business. It's retarded how people would fire for being attractive. It's stupid, and while he has all authority to do that, it's just stupid. 4. Pretty sure the lower courts are reasonable enough to handle this. |
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What the heck? What has this world come to? You can't fire someone for being too attractive. That's just outrageous. The only reason I would fire someone from being too attractive is if the woman is doing sexual acts while on the job. Heh, job, yea, you know where that was going. ANYWAY, I really think that this is a dumb reason for firing someone. |
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TreasurePlanet23 : I would hope that you wouldn't fire someone who is doing sexual acts on the job for being too attractive. You should fire them purely on the fact that they are doing sex acts on the job  So if they were a very unattractive person doing sex acts on the job, would you fire them for being too unattractive? I kid, of course. The way you worded that just came out wrong. lol. So if they were a very unattractive person doing sex acts on the job, would you fire them for being too unattractive? I kid, of course. The way you worded that just came out wrong. lol. |
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rcarter2 : Yes, I did, thank you for catching that lol! But, maybe she was doing sexual acts, and they just tried to cover it up by saying she was too attractive? I don't really know, just throwing that out there. This is just so stupid, that I'm not even going to waste my energy on this topic. |
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She got fired for being too attractive!? xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuDUnKPyzww |
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I think this is completely ridiculous the way this happened, I mean come on, being fired for being too attractive? That is silly, and this world has come to this and it is pretty weird. This is just a strange topic, it is one thing if it is sexual discrimination, and another if he abused her and mistreated her. But either way this is a weird topic and I think this is just ridiculous. I though the world was already pretty screwed up, and this just clearly exemplifies my point. Thank you for sharing such a weird topic XD. Guess they are just going to have to live with hiring ugly employees. I have never seen an article or topic that is as strange as this one. But that is just my opinion. That is silly, and this world has come to this and it is pretty weird. This is just a strange topic, it is one thing if it is sexual discrimination, and another if he abused her and mistreated her. But either way this is a weird topic and I think this is just ridiculous. I though the world was already pretty screwed up, and this just clearly exemplifies my point. Thank you for sharing such a weird topic XD. Guess they are just going to have to live with hiring ugly employees. I have never seen an article or topic that is as strange as this one. But that is just my opinion. |
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