Q : That answers quite a bit, Thanks.  
  
 MegaRevolution: I understand you point of view and will leave it at that, But should he rot in jail? Most likely, then he has a chance to turn his life around instead of sending him straight to hell.

bombchu link
I amnt really interested in continuing this, you seem to be going in circles here.
You are claiming hitler gained power through gun control, I am amassed you can actualy believe that let alone espose it.
You are misguided to think that guns will protect you from government. I cant remember the last submarine, stealth bomber, tank or destroyer brought down with small arms.

Elara :
thenumberone :

I was trying to demonstrate that if a murderer comes charging into a classroom that the option where less people die is better, that's just common sense. Read what I said about citizens having guns being more fail safe.

Anyway, I must apologize if I have not been clear on where I stand, sorry about that.
Here is what I think.

All citizens 18 years of age and up should be able to purchase firearms except:

1 the mentally ill

2 those who have recently committed a crime

The police have websites where you can view peoples criminal records, right? Well maybe gun sales men should look up the customers criminal record before selling him a gun. If he did perform a crime, then he should not sell him a gun unless the crime was performed a really long time ago.

To keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, the gun sales man should perform a mental test on the customer. Like the police do to drunk drivers.

Sword legion : A noble idea... but how would the gun salesman know what to look for? People who are sociopaths can be very good at masking their condition, and can even fool psychiatrists if they are careful enough. But your basic idea of checking for those things I do agree with.

Hey, look, common ground.

Sword legion :
I think that the government should have to approve the sale of guns to the individual. There are legal problems with allowing a shop owner to see all the details of a person required to make an informed decision, and many will just automatically give approval, which will go unnoticed until some loon gets a gun.
Again.
I think over 21 for guns really, I cant see why you're allowed a gun before alcohol, seems stupid.

The mental test should be state or federally managed too, if you pass you don't have to do that part again for either 6 months or a year (not indefinite, because people change).

thenumberone :
Elara :

I don't have a problem with the government checking people out a little.
But I don't like the idea of the government having a really easy time restricting who can have guns,
because then they could abuse that power. Anyway, if the law was broken someone would have to report it.
I think that the age of 18 is fine, I mean that is when you're allowed to vote.
The law could state which tests could be performed to check for mental illness.
I'm not sure how to stop those who can get pass the test although they are not mentally sane.
I don't think that the test should be federally managed, that would cost more money and the salesman can do it just fine.
Or mentally ill people could be pronounced ill on the criminal record website. Or do they already do that?
I think that there are already some laws regarding the mentally ill and guns somewhere.

Actually I have been enjoying this debate, so thanks. And I apologize if I have been offensive.

Sword legion :
By law, only a doctor, specifically a psychologist or psychiatrist, can diagnose mental illness. An average salesman just does not have the knowledge necessary to do so, nor should he have to get an advanced degree in psychology to be able to sell guns.

When our military and police forces join up, they have to get evaluated by a psychologist before they are ever issued a gun. They are either military doctors or state employees, not federal (except for things like the FBI, then they are). They have to get rechecked every so often. I say that we implement the same thing for gun licenses, a yearly psych exam. You don't pass, you lose the license and the cops remove your guns for safety.

I think 18 is the current legal age, if memory serves. Might be 21, but I think it's 18. Currently, from what I have been able to learn, when you buy a gun and they run the federal background check on you, if you've ever been prescribed anti-depressants you will be denied. I am hoping the same would be true of other medications like anti-psychotics, but I have not confirmed it. Basically though, if you've been diagnosed, you fail... which is why it is crucial that every gun sale require a background check.

I believe people over the age of 18 must go through psychological profiling to own a gun (unless they are in the military) and regular checkups every year, I also think the types of guns that are sold should be limited to pistols with a small ammunition clip which are modified so an extention can not be attached. I also believe there should only be one shop per city so sales can be monitored and checks can be consistant. I might have a few things wrong above but I am in the UK where guns are not sold

I think that the army marines ect. Should have them not just people with a license

Sword legion :
You have an opinion, thats not being offensive, unless the other person is being defensive. Which is there fault.
The reason i think it has to be federally done is basically what Elara said about administering a psych test, I dont think the salesman is the right choice to do it.
plenty of shop owners wouldnt report crimes if it hurt there buissiness, you cant count on everyone to do the right thing.

ant123ant :
The 1 shop rule, whilst beneficial has a few drawbacks.
1: it will forcibly put people out of buissiness
2: Will be federal interfering in buissiness, most americans dislike that
3: excuse the pun, but the chosen store will become loaded if they get all state buissiness
4: people will see the inconvenience of having only one store, as an attempt by the government to restrict them
5: It will be hard for one store to meet an entire citys demand.

thenumberone : i dont agree because  sure that would happen, but if you were going to rob a bank if everyone as soon as you pull out a gun,
they pull one out and you would kill like one person, schools should have guards when they don't, guards should have guns, someone going to kill you in your sleep, have family take shifts sleeping and watching and a alarm.

kingvictory :
You really want to live your life taking watch shifts in your own house?

Just because someone earlier claimed switzerlands gun ownership prevented crime, here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18773158

edit:
Heres another link, this ones pretty fun, one guy denounced guns and a petition was started to deport him, bye bye freedom of speech.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20838729

thenumberone : it would be better than death

thenumberone : I should point out that the petition to deport Piers Morgan was more of a 4chan related incident.

Just to clear up any thoughts, it's just a pretty bad trolling incident.

MegaRevolution1 :
Iv been meaning to post this for a few days:

http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/08/pro-gun-advocate-alex-jones-rants-at-piers-morgan-in-studio-debate-3342681/

This article lists him as starting it.
Watch the videos though, theyre quite entertaining. Its almost worth banning guns just to irk him into another interview, hes off his head.

I have never understood what peoples obsession with guns in this country are. I understand the constitution and have studied that stuff many times. I just don't understand why SOME people have to have Automatic weapons...and not only that, many of these people have MULTIPLE guns.

Really the issue is giving people guns that have mental issues. There really has to be some sort of process that at least tries to eliminate guns from people that have these issues, or are on medications.

Jordanv78 : The reason that gun advocates hold on to automatic weapons is because, we may half to defend ourselves against our own government, We had to do it before, we may half to do it again. I mean, look, Germany became one of the greatest evils on the face the earth,
Also most criminals don't use fully automatic weapons cause every one can see them so easily. They do sometimes though.
Read below and I will talk about mental illness.

thenumberone :
Elara :

To keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, I would do this:

Call phycologists from around the United states and have them put together a list of five questions that
a person may be asked to test the person for mental illness. I know that earlier you said that some times a
mentally ill person can fool a phycologist, but I think that if they can do that then they are not mentally ill,
or at least not mentally ill enough to worry about. Children in schools today get diagnosed with ADD
(attention deficit disorder) but I would call it " children who need discipline to get back in their desks and stop acting up".
Not mental illness.

Here is how you might put guns in the classroom, pistols can be purchased for as little as $150. I would buy two pistols
for each school. I would arm the principal, and the most responsible teacher in the school. Maybe larger schools could use three pistols.

bombchu link : while I agree that everyone should have the right to purchase a gun not everyone should have one.  example criminals who have used a gun without just cause or for illegal reasons should lose the right to bear arms.  Also, there should be limits on this example a average joe shouldn't be allowed to buy a tank (though this has happened) or some crazy overpowered gun.  There is no reason you need a boozka or a grenade launcher for a civilian.  Also, it should be mandatory to be trained in whatever firearm you posess so idiots don't go around carrying a gun they don't even know how to use properly.  Ex. a gun shot a gun incorrectly and broke his nose due to the recoil now this wouldn't be to surprising except it was an ordinary handgun besides that I would say its fine.