So I'm 19 & this is my 1st year voting & am a happy camper cuz my vote wins & I don't have to move out into a camper cuz rommey won hahahaha
jk jk
but all jokes aside who did you want to win? & if you did or could of voted if you were to young where would it of gone & if your not in the USA what did you think of our 2012 battle if you heard about it at all?

just wondering what all the people of vizzed are thinking about 8 years of obama I'm not a HUGE fan really but the lesser of two evils was my motto for this sadly :/ like his words wish they turned into actions more then less but hey he had 4 years to talk maybe now 4 years of action with no worry of fighting for another term maybe now he can play it his way more safely I sure hope so
what are your thoughts people

Yes very true, The live video on you tube of it all just ended about five seconds I enjoyed watching it through I think he will do much more for us then Romney does & It will be Very interesting to see who will be running next year (well sticking it out to the end not just running for $$$ then dropping our early lol....)

Congratulations to President Obama on his re-election. I do feel he has the country's best interests at heart so that's at least important. He may not be the most effective candidate (that would be a 3rd party candidate), but who knows? Maybe his first 4 years have taught him something and he'll go into his 2nd term more aggressively and actually get stuff done this time around.

@ Crazy Li that's what I was thinking & hoping as most all that got term 2 did much better the next time around or at least didn't do worse I'm hoping he does well but at the end of the day god is my leader & I have my true faith in him So am was to worried either way just less now

P.S. Li your super awesome I've been all over vizzed & seen you a lot & your just so nice & awesome of a person I just wanted to say that.

I didn't vote because I'm Canadian, but obviously the political climate in the US can affect Canada - Out of the possible choices, I'm relieved that Obama won.

That's cool to hear I have some friends in Vancouver Canada is so awesome I want to go there at some point & yea even those it was about 50/50 I haven't seen anyone that wanted Romney anywhere yet lol.

Obama did a few good things during his first 4 years, but I was honestly a little disappointed because I still felt that he was refraining from doing anything major to increase his chances for the re-election. I am hoping that he is more assertive now that there isn't a re-election to worry about. 

However, even though I wasn't particularly impressed with him for his first term, I was terrified at the thought of Romney being President. He got wealthy being a business man, and he had it in his mind that running a country is no different than running a business. Far from it. His plan was also crap. Think about it. He tried to convince us that giving everyone a  20% tax cut would somehow fix the huge deficit we have. 20% tax cut sounds good to people, but seriously? To help bring us out of this dept, he wants to take away 20% of the tax money from the government? How does that add up? That idea is on the same level of stupidity as the 'Trickle Down' theory where giving the wealthy class a tax cut would mean they would put more money in the economy. 

I also feel that Romney was a chauvinistic candidate. He showed absolutely no signs of having an understanding or respect for the middle and lower class income. He came off as your stereotypical rich snob (not saying all rich people are snobs). For example, I watched a speech that he gave that he ended with the following statement: "I used to think that becoming rich and famous would make me happy. Boy, was I right." 

AuraBlaze : I agree with what you said, except that he actually got Bin Laden, which if what he wanted do with some kinds of interrogation, wouldn't have happened. Besides that, there wasn't anything good with his first term, and I see nothing new ahead.

AuraBlaze :

So taxing poor people money they don't have, and taking away basic feminine needs is the answer?

Obama wasn't the right choice, but he was the lesser of two evils. Since my candidate didn't stand a chance in hell of winning, I'm relieved we arrived at this outcome.

patar4097 : I don't believe it was Obama that got Bin Laden. If anything he simply called for the strike by the Navy Seals, but that is stretching it from my perspective.

legacyme3 : I didn't see anything in Romney's economic plan that would hurt the poor. If anything, it was to give tax breaks so that everyone, rich, poor, and middle classes, were more confident in the economy and be more willing to spend --therefore generate more tax revenue. And concerning women's rights, Romney's plan wasn't to take away from them, it was to give rights to the religious people who do not want to fund abortion in any way, shape, or form.

This is all I'm replying with. I don't want to drag this out.

Wow tons of chats of this glad to see some real debate i was hoping it wouldn't just be a i voted for him i voted for the other guy type of thing.

So thanks for all the serious responses, I'll be honest i use to keep up with it all much more until bush won & then won again i just kinda lost hope with it all for a few reasons that you may or may not know like that fact that bush didn't win but still got 4 years......

But that's the past & yea it was really sad that it turned into the lesser of two evils type of thing. I glad Romney didn't win As honestly i don't like him & think he would of done terribly job simply as what he would of done would of fixed it all if he had 4terms not 1 or 2. & would be a really messy way of doing it & just not what "the people" wanted Clearly as he lost.

I am betting on Obama was just a bit slow in the 1st year because you knew one mistake & he was gone & he knew that too, Now that he has hes 8years & no need to worry about trying for a 3rd term I hope he plays these 4 years much more risky & gets alot more done Even if some people don't like it.

& Yea Obama didn't get Bin Laden personally..? Did you really think that what they meant Cuz He's not a seal let alone Part of team 6 six.
Sorry just found that a little funny if you did.

& yea Its a little weird & sad even that places outside of the USA care about this stuff more then a lot of the people here in the states.
Sorry that i couldn't get back to you all or give a more detail answer but i have to go now & wasn't expecting to even be on right now.

I'm not summoning AuraBlaze because he said that he wouldn't reply anymore so to not draw this out, but this is in response to what he said about Romney's plan to give a tax cut to everyone. Here is the thing. I don't see how giving tax breaks to EVERYONE is a good idea. Now, this may sound bias because I am not wealthy, but please stick with me till the end of this. The wealthy are clearly doing just fine if they are able to remain in the wealthy class. They don't NEED the tax cut. Now hear me out. I'm not saying that the wealthy are less deserving than middle and lower class. But this isn't about determining who is more deserving of what. This is about determining who needs this more, and it is not the wealthy class. Aura said he saw nothing in Romney's plan that would hurt the poor. Here is the problem.

A large portion of the country's income is taxes. So Romney's plan to decrease the deficit (dept) is to cut exactly 20% of the income it receives from taxes? That makes no sense. Now, the idea behind it is that if everyone has more money, the more money they can put into the economy. But this is what happens when EVERYONE gets more money. EVERYTHING becomes more expensive because now everyone can afford it. Now we are in the same position as before.

Next, including the wealthy in this is just another version of that Trickle Down theory that Bush had. It is already shown that the Trickle Down does not work. Why? Because the wealthy aren't going to just start spending more because they have more money. Like I said, we already saw this when Trickle Down failed. Now, if the lower and middle class have more money, the idea is that they will be able to afford the necessities that they are already struggling to afford. If they get that extra bit of help, they actually will be spending that money, which strengthens the economy. Now, an argument will likely be "How can we be sure the lower and middle class will spend the money when the wealthy didn't?". The answer to that is simple. The lower and middle class are currently struggling. They will HAVE to use the money they get from a tax cut just to keep paying for their necessities. The wealthy class on the other hand can already afford those necessities and obviously have more than enough left over. Giving them a 20% tax break is just giving them extra spending money, which whether or not they choose to spend that extra cash will depend on the individual, not the entire wealthy class. But since we know that Trickle Down failed, we know that most did not use that extra pocket cash to buy more things to put into the economy than they already were. This is a prime example of how a strong middle class is what strengthens the country. Not just giving the wealthy more money that has already been shown won't even be spent to pour more into our economy. 

That is how Romney's plan is bad for the country. Though it includes the middle and lower class, it still heavily relies on the Trickle Down theory, which we already know DOES NOT WORK.

There's a thread already about this topic right here

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