RalphTheWonderLlama :

That this argument made it to four pages, is ridiculous.

This forum has post after post of the same question about an unprovable deity and, for all that believers may voice their opinions and set forth claims -- without evidence, the conversation is moot.

That which can be asserted without evidence, can be rejected out of hand.

I'm surprised that fairy tales weren't mentioned sooner as well, as that's all religion is.

You want to know the actual reason why people hate atheists? It's not primarily because of anyone's preexisting beliefs. It's because of people like you. You're making the rest of your ilk look bad. If you're not going to grow up and stop your arrogant mockery for *our* sakes, do it for theirs. Robert Ingersoll would roll in his grave if he saw the way the average internet atheist talks.

Never mind. I know from lots of bitter experience how these conversations always go. Nobody ever willingly gives up an attitude of sneering spite upon request. You're just going to have to learn to be mature and compassionate and humble on your own. Nothing I say will change anything. I've reported you for abuse and will read nothing more from you.

Are you sure "they"  hate us because of one person. I could compare every church to the "West Boro Baptist Church", for tho's who don't know the people who go to soldiers funerals with signs saying "think God for IEDS" but that would be wrong right and if you are a christain you should not be mad at what someone has to say you know in your heart/head/soul or whatever it is you use to feel god. That you can laugh just a little in your head because the place that you know is real "Hell" that's were we are going, so think of it as karma if you will. I live a happy and prospers life and you pray to the imaganair person who is "above us" in the sky (witch is actually the vacuum of space and the world is spinning at 750 mph at the equator and whirling around the sun at 500,000 mph but you know above us) and I will go down to the iron core that's in the center of are earth that causes the magnetic field that keeps us all alive and holds oxygen and water and even you to the ground while shielding you from particle's that would kill you instantly if it where not their.... ah you carbon based life forms are so cute.

#science.Vs.oldoutdatedbook 

in short----- first amendment---- if you don't want to read all of the above.

nextbestthing, do you even know which board member I am? I'm not a Christian. I don't find the thought of anyone going to hell the least bit funny. I never said anything about one person causing anything or about "feeling God". And the sky has nothing to do with anything. Whatever it is you're lashing out against on a reflex or on general principles, it has no relation to me or to anything I've said.

I think that this thread has gone about as far as it can go in any halfway agreeable direction. If the mods don't close it (and if things get much worse I suspect that they will), at least don't expect to see *me* in it again.

@ ralphthewonderllama    " You want to know the actual reason why people hate atheists?...
. It's because of people like you. yore making the rest of your ilk look bad  "  you gave your opinion on "Atheists" I gave mine on Christians. I was unaware of my opinion being considered "lashing out" 

Ralph:

You seem to be confused. There's actually a difference between violating harassment rules in which people are directly and unfairly insulted and where say... ridiculous and illogical arguments are refuted by using the same fallacy-laden proof against said ARGUMENT.

Report and ignore all you want. It changes nothing about my argument or the legitimacy of my stance. 

However, please look up the definition of "abuse". I'll give you a hint, the definition isn't, "What ever I don't like or find annoying."

Regarding Fallacy in religious arguments, refer to the following list:

#1. Argumentum ad ignorantium - Fallacy that something must be true because it has not been, Or can't be, proven false.
If you can't prove that god doesn't exist, That means he must exist.

#2. Argumentum ad misericordia - Appealing to pity.
Why are you so intent on destroying something that makes so many sick children happy!

#3. Argumentum ad nauseum - Fallacy that something is likely to be true the more often it is said.
God exists, How many times do i have to tell you?

#4. Argumentum ad novitatem - Fallacy that something is right because it's new.
Of course Islam is the true religion, Mohammad is the most recent prophet.

#5. Argumentum ad populum - Fallacy that something is correct based on the amount of people who believe it.
Look how many people believe in Jesus, They can't all be wrong.

#6. Bifurcation - Fallacy of presenting a situation as having only two answers.
Evolution is wrong, So that means creationism is right.

#7. Circular Logic - The premise that what you are trying to prove is evidence of it's self.
The bible is the word of god because it says it is, And it can't be wrong, because after all, It is the word of god.

#8. Cum hoc ergo propter hoc - Fallacy of asserting that events occurring simultaneously must be causally related.
With all these natural disasters happening how can you deny that god isn't punishing us?

#9. Plurium interrogationum - Fallacy of demanding a simplistic answer to a complex question.
If god didn't create the universe then explain what did.

#10. Slippery slope fallacy - Fallacy that one event will inevitably lead to harmful consequences.
If we let gays get married it will be the end of family values.

# 11 - Tu Quoque.   The fallacy that flaws in one religion can be justified by pointing to flaws in another.

#12 - Argumentum ad hominem.  The fallacy that insulting your opponent is a substitute for refuting their ideas, eg, you are mad/possessed by Shaitan/too stupid to understand Islam, etc.


I find it Ironic that you should accuse me of #12 (when I clearly pointed out the futility of the argument) only to then target "people like me as being the reason atheists are hated" rather than addressing the actual argument I put forth.

This is one of those tough questions where everyone must say if they do or not, but for me I guess I'm a betweener I don't know if there is a god. But I don't really pay enough thoughts to it, because I have such a great life. I guess I would believe if I seen him.... But yet no one has:/ so I guess not I guess so I don't really know if there is a god out there...
:/

Every since i moved up here with my brother and grandma, i've been going to church and i can honestly say something in the bible i do believe had to be made by some sort of god.

Vizzed Maniac : Yes I do believe there is a God. Like you said, the Bible is proof that he exists. And things were written in the Bible 100's if not 1000's of years before they ever happened. The Bible is like the oldest living history book. It can't be disputed.

RalphTheWonderLlama :
I dont want to make this a 'which group trolls more' thing, but "average internet atheist talks."
The amount of times i have had abuse from christians (predominantly american) is unbelievable. Coming from a place where no one thinks twice when you say youre an atheist, it came as a surprise when i walked into the american users. Insulting a god to me isnt as bad as telling people that they will burn in hell for ever more, thats hate speech and blackmale in my book.
And its not just christians iv had this from.
The fact is, the internet is the prime space for morons to act like d's.
So lets drop the majority of 'insert group' statements, its unfair generic statements that are generaly aplicable to every group across the spectrum.
SunflowerGaming :
If the bible definitively prooved god real, most everyone would be christian.
And there is no historic evidence that the bible is as old as it claims, and writen before events happened. And there are many wrong statements in it to.
Hence why its the christian 'faith' as oposed to the accepted truth.

thenumberone : You have every right to have your own beliefs. I didn't mean to imply that everyone else was wrong. I honestly can't say if anyone is right in a subject like this. And yes, a lot of having beliefs in God is based on faith, but it's not faith alone. And I don't believe in hell, to be honest. Sorry you had to go through that with other people.

I honestly think so, because some of this stuff that be happening these days there have to be an explanation for all of this stuff.

Diddy3492 : That's what I believe in too. If others believe different, that's their right. And it's my right to believe what I want to believe in.

I firmly believe 100% with absolute sureness that there is no God, no matter what God is being questioned about. Christian, Islamic, Norse, any. I don't believe there's a single one.

For one, these Gods were created long ago, when humans did not know anything we do know today. For example, "The rain is Gods tears" or "The ground is shooting fire because God is angry". Today, we have learned about evaporation, condensation, etc, and about how and why volcanoes erupt.

When we have explained so much of "God's reasons", how they are all purely scientifically possible, why would you try to believe in religion? For the sake of belief? Because you were forced to by your parents? Or because you're scared of what's to come next after life, and the belief of a heaven and all loving God helps comfort the questions?

It's like believing in Bigfoot. Of course, it'd be cool to find out Bigfoot is real, it'd prove we are not the only humanoid mammal in North America, and that he is more than just a little myth. But in reality, we need to realize there is are no chances that Bigfoot is real. It's simply impossible, due to the climate in the areas of supposed sightings. However, I'd be quick to believe in Bigfoot before God, because there's more proof Bigfoot exists.

I have a question for you REAL hardcore Christians here. There have been many people who have said that things such as Dinosaur bones were placed in the ground by the Devil to fool humanity. Now, have you ever thought, what if the Bible was placed here to fool humanity? What if it wasn't an "Apple" that Eve took from the Serpent, but the Bible instead? It wouldn't be hard to imagine I'd believe, due to how many times it tells you to hate people who are different and to kill people who are different. Just try to think very hard on that for a while, and if you're one of those Christians who have not read the Bible completely, then why not do so to see for yourself?

To end this, yes, I am an Atheist. I believe in Evolution, Natural Selection, and everything proven and theorized by Science, Nya~.

I never believed the rain was God's tears and I never believed the ground was shooting fire because God was angry. I've read the Bible from the beginning to end more than once. It does not condone killing or hating on anyone. It says that some things God does not like, but he does not hate anyone. He may hate their ACTIONS, but that doesn't mean he hates the person.

There is a lot of proof the Bible is real. Things were written before they even happened. Like I said, everyone has their own beliefs. I have mine not because of my parents or because I'm afraid of anything, I believe from my research that it's fact. That's why I believe what I do.

SunflowerGaming : My post was not to you and only you. It was to the whole board. If you read closely, it does condone the killing of gays, and one point I recall specifically killing someone you know that's working on the Sabbath. It also says to stone your children if they are disrespectful. These are all but a fraction as to what they say to do in such a manner like that.
You can't truly say you hate someone's actions and not the person themselves, for their actions ARE them and represent them. And again, he says he hates specific groups.
The bible was written by man, for man. Man is error, therefore the Bible too has error, if not is error completely. Can you please show me one example of an event that was depicted in the Bible before it had happened? And also the research you have done to prove that they are "Facts"?

Believe what you want, I can honestly care less, but if you are going to reply to my post in the debate forum, and this goes for anyone, not just you (Sun), I will ask for your evidence and replies. This is a debate forum, and that's what shall take place, debates. If you want to answer questions without doing so, we have a Polls and Questions section.

Also, there have been multiple wars made over the centuries for religious, mostly Christian, ideals and values. One that is the most famous is the Crusades. They massacred non-Christians for nothing but the goal of getting Jerusalem, "The Holy Land", back. Want a Science related war? Sure, look up the Cold War, we made a bunch of stuff, no deaths were caused as a result of it.

I know you were talking to everyone. I was only posting a reply to the topic, not anyone specifically.

SunflowerGaming : Alright, knowing that now is all fine and alright, but I asked a couple of questions in my reply. May you please answer them in a well thought out way so I can understand your thoughts, Nya~?