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06-08-12 05:40 AM
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I personally, do not believe in any sort of God. I believe that we're born, we live and then we die and that is the end of it. That is not to say I don't find the concept of religion fascinating. I really enjoy talking with my religious friends about their beliefs, and the rules they have to follow for their religion, and even challenging and questioning certain parts of their religion. I am truly not against the concept of religion. However, it does really, get to me, when I try to challenge someone and they take it as an attack on them personally, when in actuality I am just curious, or I want to make someone think, or just to find out what their justifications are. For example, my Muslim friend Mo is not allowed to shave his beard if it gets past a certain length, so he has to keep it trimmed (or something similar), due to his religion. He is perfectly okay with me then asking him if he is allowed to, for example, shave his armpit hairs, and why it is that he isn't allowed to shave if his beard gets too long. But then other times, if I am having a conversation with a Christian, and I ask them for example, why Christians follow some rules laid down in the Bible and not others, and where the logic is behind that, they'll get defensive and start getting angry. (Just to note, this isn't an attack on Christians, it is just the first example I thought of) So, in conclusion, I have no belief system, and no problems with other people's beliefs, as long as they aren't asses about it when I ask then questions or try and have a discussion with them. That is not to say I don't find the concept of religion fascinating. I really enjoy talking with my religious friends about their beliefs, and the rules they have to follow for their religion, and even challenging and questioning certain parts of their religion. I am truly not against the concept of religion. However, it does really, get to me, when I try to challenge someone and they take it as an attack on them personally, when in actuality I am just curious, or I want to make someone think, or just to find out what their justifications are. For example, my Muslim friend Mo is not allowed to shave his beard if it gets past a certain length, so he has to keep it trimmed (or something similar), due to his religion. He is perfectly okay with me then asking him if he is allowed to, for example, shave his armpit hairs, and why it is that he isn't allowed to shave if his beard gets too long. But then other times, if I am having a conversation with a Christian, and I ask them for example, why Christians follow some rules laid down in the Bible and not others, and where the logic is behind that, they'll get defensive and start getting angry. (Just to note, this isn't an attack on Christians, it is just the first example I thought of) So, in conclusion, I have no belief system, and no problems with other people's beliefs, as long as they aren't asses about it when I ask then questions or try and have a discussion with them. |
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I do not believe in any sort of god. I believe all we can do is make things better for ourselves, family, and try to help others if we can. I have read the bible and it lade little sense to me. It is far from flawless like some might believe. Even many christians are looking at the bible as being a giant story, that it;s not to be takes literally. How can a person believe in something when its primary source of history is being disallowed by others of the same religion?
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I'm an atheist. I just find religion hard to believe. I prefer sound logic than some wild guess of a deity. |
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I think it is entirely possible that there is a god, but I do not believe there is. I believe that it is hard to think that all the events in the bible really happened. I believe that the possibility of a so called divine watching over us is not possible, because there is just too much that would be changed if he was watching over us. |
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I do believe there is something that created this world, The god i believe in is loosely based of Christianity.. I think the bible is a joke and shouldn't be followed to the core.. |
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Oh Dear, now here is a touchy subject. One that has bred more hate and violence than anything else save for perhaps politics. I could spend the few hours it would take to detail my personal beliefs, but I will save you all the controversial novel that would ensue and try to summarize as best I can. First and foremost, I believe that logic is humanity's most powerful tool for unlocking the truth to many questions we have that seem impossible to answer. Using logic, we can, through process of elimination, disregard the fallible and, as the great Sir Arthur Conan Doyle famously said via his immortal character Sherlock Holmes, 'once we've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how mad it might seem, must be the truth.' Bearing this in mind, we can look at the subject of religion and draw some immediate conclusions: 1. The Bible was written by the hands of men. a) Man is not a perfect being, and is susceptible to temptations, such as the allure of control and the power it can grant. b) If the Bible was written my the hands of men, and men are susceptible to temptations such as control, it stands to reason that man would alter the Bible to act as a means to justify their dubious ends. c) Ergo, the Bible, whether it once was the word of a God or not, has been tainted by the hands of men, rendering it fallible. d) Ergo, the Bible cannot be treated as a valid source of proof that God as Western religions (i.e., Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, and all their subsidiaries) see Him exists. 2. To date, there was been no concrete evidence provided by any source which either proves or disproves the existence of God as He has been envisioned by the major religions. a) With only circumstantial evidence supporting both sides of the argument, one can neither prove or disprove existence of said God. To do so would be a logical fallacy. I've broken this down to it's most basic simplicity. There is much more to it, but the jist is that no one can logically claim that the Western Religions are in fact right or wrong as we lack sufficient evidence one way or the other. For this reason, I consider myself religiously Agnostic. That does not, however, mean that I am without religion. I have spent the last 12 years of my life constantly researching the subject of religion and contemplating my findings. The conclusion I have come to is that religion as we now know it was become tainted and flawed by those with ulterior motives and agendas that do nothing but further their standing in life. For that reason, I have chosen to step away from accepted structure of religion and opted to go with more of a religio-philosophy. What I mean by this is sort of hard to explain. Basically, I feel that religion shouldn't be a doctrine of worship directed toward any specific person or entity. Instead, I believe one's religious beliefs should be more like a code of ethics, or a moral code, by which a person lives. This would dictate how a person goes about their day to day lives. It tells them what is wrong and what is right and gives sound logical reasoning why something is right or wrong. The notion of 'having faith' is not sound logical reason and is one of the primary reasons I could never bring myself to follow one of the Western Religions. 'Western Religions.' This is a term I have used several times now. What do I mean when I say this? If there are Western Religions, does that mean that there are also 'Eastern Religions'? If so, how is it they differ from Western Religions? The short answer is yes, there are 'Eastern Religions'. These would include Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, and many others. For the most part, these religions are centuries older than any of the Western Religions and, in my honest opinion, should stand as prime examples of what religion SHOULD be. These religions are as I stated above; a moral code by which their followers live their day to day lives. But now I have started to stray off-topic. Trust me when I say that there is much more to my personal beliefs than just what I have mentioned here. This is all just a very brief summary. In the end, I encourage people to belief what they feel comfortable believing. While there is no way of knowing for sure if God as He is imagined exists, many people find comfort in the notion that He does. This is something of which I approve. What I do not approve of is when people deem it their 'God-Given Right' to force their opinion on others, telling them to 'see things their way or else.' This is where the Western Religions have truly fallen. No one, I mean NO ONE, has the right to tell others how to think or how to live. That is stripping them of their free will, and isn't that supposed to be the greatest gift God ever gave us? Think about that the next time you feel inclined to tell someone they are 'stupid' because of their own personal beliefs. I could spend the few hours it would take to detail my personal beliefs, but I will save you all the controversial novel that would ensue and try to summarize as best I can. First and foremost, I believe that logic is humanity's most powerful tool for unlocking the truth to many questions we have that seem impossible to answer. Using logic, we can, through process of elimination, disregard the fallible and, as the great Sir Arthur Conan Doyle famously said via his immortal character Sherlock Holmes, 'once we've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how mad it might seem, must be the truth.' Bearing this in mind, we can look at the subject of religion and draw some immediate conclusions: 1. The Bible was written by the hands of men. a) Man is not a perfect being, and is susceptible to temptations, such as the allure of control and the power it can grant. b) If the Bible was written my the hands of men, and men are susceptible to temptations such as control, it stands to reason that man would alter the Bible to act as a means to justify their dubious ends. c) Ergo, the Bible, whether it once was the word of a God or not, has been tainted by the hands of men, rendering it fallible. d) Ergo, the Bible cannot be treated as a valid source of proof that God as Western religions (i.e., Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, and all their subsidiaries) see Him exists. 2. To date, there was been no concrete evidence provided by any source which either proves or disproves the existence of God as He has been envisioned by the major religions. a) With only circumstantial evidence supporting both sides of the argument, one can neither prove or disprove existence of said God. To do so would be a logical fallacy. I've broken this down to it's most basic simplicity. There is much more to it, but the jist is that no one can logically claim that the Western Religions are in fact right or wrong as we lack sufficient evidence one way or the other. For this reason, I consider myself religiously Agnostic. That does not, however, mean that I am without religion. I have spent the last 12 years of my life constantly researching the subject of religion and contemplating my findings. The conclusion I have come to is that religion as we now know it was become tainted and flawed by those with ulterior motives and agendas that do nothing but further their standing in life. For that reason, I have chosen to step away from accepted structure of religion and opted to go with more of a religio-philosophy. What I mean by this is sort of hard to explain. Basically, I feel that religion shouldn't be a doctrine of worship directed toward any specific person or entity. Instead, I believe one's religious beliefs should be more like a code of ethics, or a moral code, by which a person lives. This would dictate how a person goes about their day to day lives. It tells them what is wrong and what is right and gives sound logical reasoning why something is right or wrong. The notion of 'having faith' is not sound logical reason and is one of the primary reasons I could never bring myself to follow one of the Western Religions. 'Western Religions.' This is a term I have used several times now. What do I mean when I say this? If there are Western Religions, does that mean that there are also 'Eastern Religions'? If so, how is it they differ from Western Religions? The short answer is yes, there are 'Eastern Religions'. These would include Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, and many others. For the most part, these religions are centuries older than any of the Western Religions and, in my honest opinion, should stand as prime examples of what religion SHOULD be. These religions are as I stated above; a moral code by which their followers live their day to day lives. But now I have started to stray off-topic. Trust me when I say that there is much more to my personal beliefs than just what I have mentioned here. This is all just a very brief summary. In the end, I encourage people to belief what they feel comfortable believing. While there is no way of knowing for sure if God as He is imagined exists, many people find comfort in the notion that He does. This is something of which I approve. What I do not approve of is when people deem it their 'God-Given Right' to force their opinion on others, telling them to 'see things their way or else.' This is where the Western Religions have truly fallen. No one, I mean NO ONE, has the right to tell others how to think or how to live. That is stripping them of their free will, and isn't that supposed to be the greatest gift God ever gave us? 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I don't think there is such thing as God, but I believe that people should listen to their heart. My God is my mind and heart. That is something weird for me, an athiest to say. |
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I don't believe in god at all. I know it hasn't been proved there is no god. but it hasn't been proved there is either. They say god created the universe and all such things, which sounds completely fake to me. I doubt one person created the whole universe and life. Some people might think different about it, and I don't have anything against religions or something. But I think god is just made up by someone. I know it hasn't been proved there is no god. but it hasn't been proved there is either. They say god created the universe and all such things, which sounds completely fake to me. I doubt one person created the whole universe and life. Some people might think different about it, and I don't have anything against religions or something. But I think god is just made up by someone. |
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I find it interesting that this thread is very focused on a Christian god. Anyway, I find it hard to believe in a god, and my logic behind not believing is even if there is one, if I'm a generally good person I should still go to heaven, if I don't then god is unjust and doesn't deserve my praise. Not that I'm claiming to be a generally good person. |
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i don't think their is but i sure hope theirs something good in the end. |
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well good question..if someone had answear of that it would be same as ask why we here...but i think its matter of belive..i dont belive there is..but thats only my option..if u belive there is then there is..we all gonna found out it someday |
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I believe that there is a god but i don't worship him. I believe that there is a god in my own vocabulary so i don't go to church. |
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Maybe, because almost every person in our planet know god, and maybe 1.000.000.000+ persons in our planet talk about god each day. If god is very popular, he could exist! |
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Has a thread on this topic actually made it four pages now without the phrases "flying spaghetti monster" and "fairy tale" popping up anywhere? I probably just missed something. (There &was* that one reference to Russell's teapot but that was from a believer who just mentioned it in passing.) In fact there's been almost no trolling from anyone. People have mostly just set forth their thoughts and left it at that. This simply does not happen. It's the Internet. It's a forum. I feel like Dr. Frankenstein as he sees his dream come alive (in the novel, I mean): I've always yearned for this moment and now that it's finally come it's almost frightening, like a violation of nature has taken place. Well, anyway, I most certainly do believe in God (swt). As mature and civil as the thread has mostly been so far I might even be able to mention that I'm a Muslim without placing myself at the center of a vortex of vituperation. My theism came first, though, and if I had to sum up why in only a few words (which isn't feasible; bear that in mind), it would be because a naturalistic view of things seems to hinge entirely on the confusion between expression and explanation, descr Well, anyway, I most certainly do believe in God (swt). As mature and civil as the thread has mostly been so far I might even be able to mention that I'm a Muslim without placing myself at the center of a vortex of vituperation. My theism came first, though, and if I had to sum up why in only a few words (which isn't feasible; bear that in mind), it would be because a naturalistic view of things seems to hinge entirely on the confusion between expression and explanation, descr |
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This question is kind of silly, don't you think? What is there really to debate? How can we empirically know whether or not there is a god, and if there is, how could we ever know if it is watching or not?
There's nothing to argue here, because all that's happening is one side stating, "I believe in God, my proof is the bible", and another side stating, "I don't believe in God, my proof is that he doesn't intervene." But lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. But you also can't just say that because a group of people told you that an all-powerful being exists, that he does. The debate here isn't about whether there is or is not a God, but whether or not you believe in a god, and you will never be able to convince the other side to change their minds, because no matter what you say, they have proof against that. There's nothing to argue here, because all that's happening is one side stating, "I believe in God, my proof is the bible", and another side stating, "I don't believe in God, my proof is that he doesn't intervene." But lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. But you also can't just say that because a group of people told you that an all-powerful being exists, that he does. The debate here isn't about whether there is or is not a God, but whether or not you believe in a god, and you will never be able to convince the other side to change their minds, because no matter what you say, they have proof against that. |
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09-01-12 07:32 PM
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I believe in a higher power, I DO NOT believe in religions , I believe that Religions were created to control the population, people don't think about this much, but believe it or not we are animals, we are mammals and we use to have to run and hunt for our food. With religion became laws because if, "I" a man said it is "wrong" and "you shouldn't do that" it is easily over thrown but if GOD said not to do it, well God gave you life and everything around you that you don't understand so he has to care....Right? And God can make bad things happen to you if he wanted too, For exsample, drought, flooding, volcanoes erupting, long winters, solar eclipse, shooting stars (meteors)..etc..etc..
In Short Religions are Reward / Punishment , you do good things you go to haven / you do bad things you suffer for all eternity That's a good way too keep people from trying to be the alpha male and being an animal witch tells us, too destroy other males, and get as many women as we can. That's why Donald Trump has billions of dollars and his name is all over everything. He is Marking his territory just like an animal. "We think we are so smart because we can measure." In Short Religions are Reward / Punishment , you do good things you go to haven / you do bad things you suffer for all eternity That's a good way too keep people from trying to be the alpha male and being an animal witch tells us, too destroy other males, and get as many women as we can. That's why Donald Trump has billions of dollars and his name is all over everything. He is Marking his territory just like an animal. "We think we are so smart because we can measure." |
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09-02-12 11:18 AM
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"Of course there is a god" hahahaha. That's hilarious, Mr. Pace "Of course Santa is real" he's the fat man who eat's the cookies at Christmas. "Of course there's a Tooth Fairy" she's the fairy who takes my teeth when I put them under my pillow. "Of course there are unicorns" they're the horses with horns who can only be seen by virgins. "Of course my beliefs are real" I can tell you what they are. CLEARLY, if something can be believed in, it's real. The fact is simple. This post is called, "Is there a God?" If you make a claim, and provide NO evidence, NOBODY should believe you. Those of you who say God is real, provide no evidence. Ignorance of science, does not make your religious views "evidence". "Of course Santa is real" he's the fat man who eat's the cookies at Christmas. "Of course there's a Tooth Fairy" she's the fairy who takes my teeth when I put them under my pillow. "Of course there are unicorns" they're the horses with horns who can only be seen by virgins. "Of course my beliefs are real" I can tell you what they are. CLEARLY, if something can be believed in, it's real. The fact is simple. This post is called, "Is there a God?" If you make a claim, and provide NO evidence, NOBODY should believe you. Those of you who say God is real, provide no evidence. Ignorance of science, does not make your religious views "evidence". |
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(edited by Astynax27 on 09-02-12 12:17 PM)
09-02-12 04:48 PM
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It appears that I spoke too soon. |
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