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Do you think Obama will get a second term?

 

03-06-11 06:20 AM
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I think Democrats and Republicans are both idiots I for conservative.I also think the government should keep there nose out of local matters like education.
I think Democrats and Republicans are both idiots I for conservative.I also think the government should keep there nose out of local matters like education.
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I think he wont im to young to really care about politics but people are starting too not like him. SOme peope really ony did because he was black
I think he wont im to young to really care about politics but people are starting too not like him. SOme peope really ony did because he was black
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nicksorbello : I misspoke, House not Senate. For the rest of it, I know full well what Keynesian economics is, the country has been running on it since it pulled us out of the Great Depression and both liberals and conservatives have left it that way. The laws of supply and demand, and macroeconomics are the bulk of the theory of Keynesian Economics, the deficit spending is part of the supply and demand part, but it is the one that fiscal conservatives always latch on to and decry the entire thing as evil when 9/10 they back in in other areas, like when it makes them money. Ronald Reagan's ideas about a trickle-down economy are what messed it all up and now the bulk of our current debt is the interest incurred from Reagan's mistakes (there is a statistical data graph in one of my posts somewhere in Debate, trying to find it). The reason that people give a flying f*** at all about this is because the debt was already so high. Doesn't matter than historically what Obama says about it going down is accurate... which it is.

I also know what a Libertarian is. I was registered as a Green since I was 18 and just switched to Democrat a few weeks ago so I could vote in the damn primaries for Obama and other dems I feel deserve it, as I now live in Pennsylvania where every vote counts and honestly the Green party doesn't seem to exist. Besides, they have not put up a strong candidate since Peter Camjeo died. I agree that we need to cut spending and raise taxes... I just think that Congress needs to cut spending in other areas... the heads of the military have told them flat out that the defense budget can be cut by millions with no threat to the country but the Republicans refuse to do it because they seem dead set on cutting funding to all social programs.

Education is really not a local matter. It is one of those ones that I feel really should be of more national importance. Everyone decries that our schools are failing, and it is because we don't get enough funding... and the bulk of it comes from the federal government. Children are the future of a nation, so it makes logical sense for the nation to invest in those children and make sure that they are educated. State and local governments cannot do that, especially not now with the soaring population we have in many areas... if the city of Los Angeles had to pay for the LAUSD the schools would be shut down... LA has no money. I should know, I worked for them for two years as a part-time employee, which is the only reason I didn't get pay cuts and furloughs. And to be clear, when I talk about the population I am meaning just in the number of births alone... especially teen births, because no one teaches these kids anything about it. The parents keep saying "oh that is our job" but it has become crystal clear that they are not doing it. Just more things that should be given greater importance in the school system. In fifth grade you see The Miracle of Life and then that is about it until you have to take a health class in later years, and even that focuses on anatomy of the human body.

I am ranting... sorry... I have a lot of complaints about our education system. All other prospective teachers that I know seem to as well.
nicksorbello : I misspoke, House not Senate. For the rest of it, I know full well what Keynesian economics is, the country has been running on it since it pulled us out of the Great Depression and both liberals and conservatives have left it that way. The laws of supply and demand, and macroeconomics are the bulk of the theory of Keynesian Economics, the deficit spending is part of the supply and demand part, but it is the one that fiscal conservatives always latch on to and decry the entire thing as evil when 9/10 they back in in other areas, like when it makes them money. Ronald Reagan's ideas about a trickle-down economy are what messed it all up and now the bulk of our current debt is the interest incurred from Reagan's mistakes (there is a statistical data graph in one of my posts somewhere in Debate, trying to find it). The reason that people give a flying f*** at all about this is because the debt was already so high. Doesn't matter than historically what Obama says about it going down is accurate... which it is.

I also know what a Libertarian is. I was registered as a Green since I was 18 and just switched to Democrat a few weeks ago so I could vote in the damn primaries for Obama and other dems I feel deserve it, as I now live in Pennsylvania where every vote counts and honestly the Green party doesn't seem to exist. Besides, they have not put up a strong candidate since Peter Camjeo died. I agree that we need to cut spending and raise taxes... I just think that Congress needs to cut spending in other areas... the heads of the military have told them flat out that the defense budget can be cut by millions with no threat to the country but the Republicans refuse to do it because they seem dead set on cutting funding to all social programs.

Education is really not a local matter. It is one of those ones that I feel really should be of more national importance. Everyone decries that our schools are failing, and it is because we don't get enough funding... and the bulk of it comes from the federal government. Children are the future of a nation, so it makes logical sense for the nation to invest in those children and make sure that they are educated. State and local governments cannot do that, especially not now with the soaring population we have in many areas... if the city of Los Angeles had to pay for the LAUSD the schools would be shut down... LA has no money. I should know, I worked for them for two years as a part-time employee, which is the only reason I didn't get pay cuts and furloughs. And to be clear, when I talk about the population I am meaning just in the number of births alone... especially teen births, because no one teaches these kids anything about it. The parents keep saying "oh that is our job" but it has become crystal clear that they are not doing it. Just more things that should be given greater importance in the school system. In fifth grade you see The Miracle of Life and then that is about it until you have to take a health class in later years, and even that focuses on anatomy of the human body.

I am ranting... sorry... I have a lot of complaints about our education system. All other prospective teachers that I know seem to as well.
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03-06-11 04:28 PM
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Have we not realized that throwing money at the educational system does not work? The highest federally funded schools are the inner city ones, yet they do the poorest. This is an institutional problem where teachers are not held responsible for not doing a good job, and kids are also not held responsible for doing a good job in school. We need to get serious about education in the sense that we will punish you if you are a detriment to others education, and we will fire you if you dont do a good job teaching.

I would be ok with cutting military spending, but we would have to be really efficient in a governmental area, and that just doesn't happen in large bureaucracies. This is an idealogical difference between conservatives and liberals; conservatives want a large military to protect the US and other countries, and liberals do not. I dont feel that an isolationist policy is very safe, and could we really do that in good conscience knowing what goes on around the world?

Keynesian economics are theft, pure and simple. It is not the governments role to play with economics, which is pseudo-science at best. We dont fully know what effect that has on the economy, and is dangerous to do. Bush II was a big proponent of Keynesian economics, and that has done us a lot of good. It's too risky, lets shrink the government and let people live their own lives.
Have we not realized that throwing money at the educational system does not work? The highest federally funded schools are the inner city ones, yet they do the poorest. This is an institutional problem where teachers are not held responsible for not doing a good job, and kids are also not held responsible for doing a good job in school. We need to get serious about education in the sense that we will punish you if you are a detriment to others education, and we will fire you if you dont do a good job teaching.

I would be ok with cutting military spending, but we would have to be really efficient in a governmental area, and that just doesn't happen in large bureaucracies. This is an idealogical difference between conservatives and liberals; conservatives want a large military to protect the US and other countries, and liberals do not. I dont feel that an isolationist policy is very safe, and could we really do that in good conscience knowing what goes on around the world?

Keynesian economics are theft, pure and simple. It is not the governments role to play with economics, which is pseudo-science at best. We dont fully know what effect that has on the economy, and is dangerous to do. Bush II was a big proponent of Keynesian economics, and that has done us a lot of good. It's too risky, lets shrink the government and let people live their own lives.
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nicksorbello : I like your ideas

I also think that someone should know why the are voting not like voting for him because he's a democrat or because my parents are doing it(not)
nicksorbello : I like your ideas

I also think that someone should know why the are voting not like voting for him because he's a democrat or because my parents are doing it(not)
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icrazyforpokemon : I agree with your second statement. Too many people just vote along party lines or follow their parents blindly instead of thinking for themselves.

The problem with funding education is not that we are funding it, it is that the funding is not going where it needs to go. We need to train the teachers better, we need to enforce that they are doing their jobs, and we need to pay them better for the work they do. In the grand scheme of things do you know how little a teacher makes? They are tasked with watching over and teaching the kids of this country and they get paid about $40-50k a year after working 4+ years, that is lower than the national median income. Keep in mind that teachers need to furnish their classrooms (that is right, they have to buy all those posters, markers, pictures, chalk, erasers, etc)... and the good schools will give you maybe a few hundred bucks to do all that. Most teachers end up spending a good chunk of out of pocket cash to improve the learning environment of their pupils, and that does not get reimbursed.

There is a chain message going around facebook that talks about how a babysitter makes more than a teacher if you break down the math, averaging 30 students per teacher and revealing that a teacher makes $1.42/hr/student. If you bumped it up to $3, not paying them for the prep period or any extracurricular activities then a teacher would make over $105k a year... and that is hard math. Honestly, if teachers got paid that much it would give them better means and incentive to do their damn jobs. As it stands right now, I am not going into teaching because of the money... it is a thankless profession as far as that is concerned, I am doing it because I want to combat the ignorance in this country and help the kids become something better. I had to supplement my education by going to the library and while that is nice I should not have HAD to do that. I should not have been able to shock my teachers by being able to answer a question from a reading assignment. And I sure as hell should not have had to use world history textbooks that showed the USSR as a country while taking a history class in a decade after it collapsed!
icrazyforpokemon : I agree with your second statement. Too many people just vote along party lines or follow their parents blindly instead of thinking for themselves.

The problem with funding education is not that we are funding it, it is that the funding is not going where it needs to go. We need to train the teachers better, we need to enforce that they are doing their jobs, and we need to pay them better for the work they do. In the grand scheme of things do you know how little a teacher makes? They are tasked with watching over and teaching the kids of this country and they get paid about $40-50k a year after working 4+ years, that is lower than the national median income. Keep in mind that teachers need to furnish their classrooms (that is right, they have to buy all those posters, markers, pictures, chalk, erasers, etc)... and the good schools will give you maybe a few hundred bucks to do all that. Most teachers end up spending a good chunk of out of pocket cash to improve the learning environment of their pupils, and that does not get reimbursed.

There is a chain message going around facebook that talks about how a babysitter makes more than a teacher if you break down the math, averaging 30 students per teacher and revealing that a teacher makes $1.42/hr/student. If you bumped it up to $3, not paying them for the prep period or any extracurricular activities then a teacher would make over $105k a year... and that is hard math. Honestly, if teachers got paid that much it would give them better means and incentive to do their damn jobs. As it stands right now, I am not going into teaching because of the money... it is a thankless profession as far as that is concerned, I am doing it because I want to combat the ignorance in this country and help the kids become something better. I had to supplement my education by going to the library and while that is nice I should not have HAD to do that. I should not have been able to shock my teachers by being able to answer a question from a reading assignment. And I sure as hell should not have had to use world history textbooks that showed the USSR as a country while taking a history class in a decade after it collapsed!
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good point there Elara. If I was the incharge of a school I'd do EXACTLY what you had mentioned, but the economy is in such bad shape that they cant aford to pay much to the teachers. Yes they still should do a better job even though they are getting a bunch of bull for payment and yes they need to get a whole lot more strict on these teachers for doing such a s**ty job at educating there students.
good point there Elara. If I was the incharge of a school I'd do EXACTLY what you had mentioned, but the economy is in such bad shape that they cant aford to pay much to the teachers. Yes they still should do a better job even though they are getting a bunch of bull for payment and yes they need to get a whole lot more strict on these teachers for doing such a s**ty job at educating there students.
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I think so. Not beacuse I suport him, but beacuse they've brain washed every one towards him.
I think so. Not beacuse I suport him, but beacuse they've brain washed every one towards him.
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