Since this has become a big discussion in other threads, I have decided to make a thread all about debating anything Islam religion or Muslims. Primary starting question is, Is the religion of Islam Evil? Does it command its followers to murder? Are Muslims evil to?

Islam is not a living entity. It is neither good or evil. It is what people make of it. Some people interpret the Qur'an differently than others. However, it is usually the poor Muslims that have nothing to live for in this world that join Muslim extremist organizations. They are the easiest to persuade (especially with what is promised for dying a hero).

In general, all people are violent. No one is innocent, we have all done things in history that we are not proud of.

If you look at anything from a different perspective, you get totally different impressions. For example, George Washington to us is a war hero and Founding Father. To England, he was a traitor who practiced warfare much like the Muslim extremists do today. Do any of us (Americans) consider Washington a terrorist? I doubt it.

Even Osama bin Laden can be seen differently. The man saw the world Americanizing and globalizing and did not like it. That is why he targeted the World Trade Center, one of the biggest symbols of the globalization that he despised. He got similar minded individuals to send a message to those responsible. In his eyes (and many other country's eyes, WE are the bad guys).

America has a way of forcing its values on other people. This was a man that wanted to stand up for what he believed him. I do not believe that he did it in the best of ways, but, he fought for what he believed in.

So no, I don't think Islam is violent, I think people are violent. Religion can be a beautiful thing.

I could list 10-20 scriptures from the Qur'an that would encourage violence towards non-Muslims in today's age, not just from the past "holy wars". However, what about the neighboring nations to Israel in the Old Testament? The Israelites made war with them to conquer their land. As such, the Qur'an teaches war against the infidel unbelievers.

So the question comes to mind, what’s the difference in jihad and the Canaanite genocide in the Old Testament. The Muslims that interpret the Qur’an towards violence think that it is just, in the same way as the wars in the Old Testament.

In regard to the Canaanites, God commanded,

"In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God" (Deuteronomy 20:16-18).

God did not order the extermination of these people to be cruel, but rather to prevent even greater evil from occurring in the future. This is the same way the Islamic extremists feel about infidel unbelievers.

"Islam is not a living entity. It is neither good or evil. It is what people make of it. Some people interpret the Qur'an differently than others. However, it is usually the poor Muslims that have nothing to live for in this world that join Muslim extremist organizations. They are the easiest to persuade (especially with what is promised for dying a hero)."

I have to agree with this. It is not Islam as a whole that is "evil" or "violent", it is the actions of the extremists that are violent. You cannot profile an entire religious following based on one extremist group. If this was the case, NO religion would be safe from similarly harsh criticism.

yeah.... Jews and Christians are just as bad if you take the most violent of them and use that as the measuring stick.

Western media has done a terrible job of representing what Muslims and/or Arabs are like in the Middle East and around the world. All I usually see on the news is protesting/rioting in some city somewhere. They don't show how people are likely acting 99% of the time. Likely because it's too boring.

I'm talking Islamic law. Is Islamic law evil and does it command murder. We already know the extremists are.

.... no, you weren't talking about Islamic Law. No where in that first post did the word law even come out.

Maybe be more clear next time.... because we've been having a very different discussion than you seemed to want to have.

I've found an interesting article on the subject.

http://www.liberty-and-culture.com/isislamevil.html

I do believe that Islamic law is violent. I do believe that Muslims or anyone else who reads the Koran as a peaceful book, then when they come across a violent scripture they try to reason it away. Take for example Surat Al-Fath 48:29:

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves."

They are peaceful to one another but severe against the infidel unbelievers. That is what it is saying.

No actually I was talking Islamic Law, I'd know what I mean better than you do. And Is Islamic Law evil? Instead of are Muslims evil should be clear enough. But if you want to speak of that to than that's fine.

The Koran may talk a lot of peace as I have read but it also tells Muslims to murder and it sure doesn't like Christians and Jews.

Hoochman : "Since this has become a big discussion in other threads, I have decided to make a thread all about debating whether Islam is really evil or not. SO how about it? Is it?"

I don't give a crap if you "meant" islamic law.... you didn't say it in your first post.. so how were we supposed to have any idea that that is what you meant to be talking about. Try adding a few more words to your posts so that we can understand what you mean instead of tossing out 1-liner reponses to people who have put in quite a lot of time and intelligence to their responses.

The only people who make it evil are the ones who take words to seriously and go out and kill because the text said so.

Text is not violent period it does not kill people. If I tell people to go kill so and so because they are different a lot of people will not do it, however there are a few nutcases who will.

Theres nuts in all religions who act the same way. It doesn't matter what religion your in, if you got screws loose in your brain your evil no matter what religion.

I don't really want to touch this topic, but a religion is only evil if it's followers possess evil intent. No one forces you to do violence, you choose to. If you have the ability for violence placed in your hands, you also have the ability to bring that violence upon the one who wishes you to use it.

tRIUNE : About your Canaanite genocide, the people that the Jews didn't kill are the Muslims of today. They didn't completely exterminate the Canaanites, and what God told them came true, they're still fighting with the Muslims today. Just an interesting tidbit.

BTowns : Yeah I thought of that, but actually I believe the Muslims of today are the Edomites. These people God commanded to kill practiced religious perversions for centuries, and God gave them time to repent; in which they didn't so they brought upon themselves His judgment.

As you said, because Israel did not completely destroy these evil people as God commanded, Israel was constantly oppressed by them, as depicted in the rest of the Old Testament, and experienced greater bloodshed and destruction than if they had followed God's instructions in the first place.

As for the Edomites, they were relatives to Israel, (Jacob and Esau) long story short, Esau split into a separate tribe and became enemies with his brother Jacob (Israel). However, God spared them because they were still relatives. As such is the conflict today between the Muslims and Jews.

geeogree : O my God. If its that big of a deal than I'll try and edit the 1st post.


to other people: While the religion of Islam is not a living evil entity. It still has a lot of negative scripture towards infidels and Jews and Christians.

well, editing your first post to reflect the true topic you wish to discuss is nice.... but next time you make a thread.... make sure you write out your first post to accurately reflect what you wanted to discuss in the first place.

as for the topic.... I think Islamic/Sharia law is very oppressive in it's nature. I've heard about "honor" killings being carried out in Canada by muslim groups who live Sharia law in their communities and handle the justice of handing out punishments without going to the local law enforcement groups or anything like that. They believe their law supersedes ours. Although, from their point of view it would be "God's law is greater than man's law" which Christians and Jews and other religious groups believe as well.... but those groups still allow the law of the land to exact it's justice as well.


Of course, not all Muslims follow Sharia law to the same extent, or at all.... so to say Islam is violent and evil is too much of a generalization, I think there is a fairly large group with Islam that is very fundamentalist in it's nature and beliefs that take this stuff too far and too seriously.

Yes I do believe muslims are evil. I don't hate them....everyone is free to do whatever they choose.....but muslims have no respect for human lives...not themselves, their wives or their children. their false god wants them to commit murders and sacrafice human lives to prove their faith and loyalty. WHere as our god is a loving caring forgiving god who wants peace and everyone to love one another. I don't agree with Islam at all..I think it's an excuse to commit horrible acts of violence...

My dad is Muslim and I absolutely hate him.
I don't like any of his friends, they're all mean bastards.
He was really mean to my mom and me.
Anyone who is married to a Muslim says that they regret it.
I've heard that the Quraan tells them to kill off anyone that isn't a Muslim.

I personally just don't like them. I'd probably be distant friends, at most, with anyone that's Muslim.

Whoa, has anyone even read the bible? Can anyone say rape, murder, and genocide? All committed in the name of God and God supporting it fully? Considering the time that the Quran was written in it's actually quite tame compared to other religions. I really don't blame them for having violent text (and it's not all violent "hate/evil filled" text, there's plenty of text supporting love and peace too) it's how religions survived back in the day. Proof right in this thread "As you said, because Israel did not completely destroy these evil people as God commanded, Israel was constantly oppressed by them, as depicted in the rest of the Old Testament, and experienced greater bloodshed and destruction than if they had followed God's instructions in the first place." Look at that God telling people to kill other people.

Zamiel : Have you ever done a back round check on the cultures destroyed by Israel? Do you realize by condemning Israel, you're defending cultures that slaughtered their own children through fire and sacrifice.

sophielove23 : I feel so sorry for you.

YourMajestyKen : I agree somewhat with you but only the devout Muslims who embrace Jihad have no regard for human life.