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So, there has been a lot of controversy over the trailer for the next Star War movie, Star Wars: The Force Awakens. 

 

If you look near the beginning of the trailer, you will notice a black Storm Trooper. A lot of people, according to a Yahoo! article, have a problem with this. Now, I can see why they could have a problem with this, but at the same time, I like it. 

Let me give you some history about the Star Wars Universe that is to the best of my knowledge, combined with this wiki page, about the Storm Troopers. 

In the 2nd movie ( story line order, 5th movie released ), after Anakin is already a padawon, there is a part of the movie where the Jedi Council has figured out that that there is going to be a war. Well, after an unknown assassin attempts to kill Padmé, but fails, another unknown, at the time, assassin uses some kind of poison to kill the assassin that was found to be hired by the 2nd assassin to assassinate Padmé. 

A little later on in the 2nd movie, Obi Won traces the poison to a planet, where he discovers that 10 years prior, a Jedi hired the native people to make an Army for the Republic. Well, the Republic ends up having use for the Army, but how was the Army made? Well, the native people were known for their cloning technology. They cloned Jango Fett, a thought to be retired Assassin, who turns out to be the one who poisoned the attempting assassin on Padmé. 

This Jango Fett character looks like this. ( The one on the right. The kid on his left is his son, which you can find out reading the article about Jango Fett ) 
 
Now, he's not black. He looks more... Middle Eastern or Indian to me. Now, all the clones are supposed to look exactly alike. I think the only differences they are supposed to have are their ranks, and some numbers and names so you can distinguish the difference between them. So, all of the clones should be Middle Eastern / Indian looking in skin color. 


So, I can see why some people would have a problem with a Storm Trooper, who are also referred sometimes as The Clones, being black. However, I personally don't have a problem with it. Granted, I am a stickler for a story making sense, and with Star Wars being so old, and the movies from the early 2000's explained a lot of things from the trilogy from the 70's that actually takes places before the 2000's series in story line order, it kind of makes me mad at the same time. That being said, as long as they explain how a black Storm Trooper got into the mix, I don't have any problem with it. My best guess is that if they decide to explain it, they ended up needing more clones since Jango Fett was killed by the Jedi, so they found the best available specimen, who just happened to be black. 

My problem with this is not the fact the the Storm Trooper is black, but it how Disney intends to explain this. 


What are your guy's opinion on this issue? 


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So, there has been a lot of controversy over the trailer for the next Star War movie, Star Wars: The Force Awakens. 

 

If you look near the beginning of the trailer, you will notice a black Storm Trooper. A lot of people, according to a Yahoo! article, have a problem with this. Now, I can see why they could have a problem with this, but at the same time, I like it. 

Let me give you some history about the Star Wars Universe that is to the best of my knowledge, combined with this wiki page, about the Storm Troopers. 

In the 2nd movie ( story line order, 5th movie released ), after Anakin is already a padawon, there is a part of the movie where the Jedi Council has figured out that that there is going to be a war. Well, after an unknown assassin attempts to kill Padmé, but fails, another unknown, at the time, assassin uses some kind of poison to kill the assassin that was found to be hired by the 2nd assassin to assassinate Padmé. 

A little later on in the 2nd movie, Obi Won traces the poison to a planet, where he discovers that 10 years prior, a Jedi hired the native people to make an Army for the Republic. Well, the Republic ends up having use for the Army, but how was the Army made? Well, the native people were known for their cloning technology. They cloned Jango Fett, a thought to be retired Assassin, who turns out to be the one who poisoned the attempting assassin on Padmé. 

This Jango Fett character looks like this. ( The one on the right. The kid on his left is his son, which you can find out reading the article about Jango Fett ) 
 
Now, he's not black. He looks more... Middle Eastern or Indian to me. Now, all the clones are supposed to look exactly alike. I think the only differences they are supposed to have are their ranks, and some numbers and names so you can distinguish the difference between them. So, all of the clones should be Middle Eastern / Indian looking in skin color. 


So, I can see why some people would have a problem with a Storm Trooper, who are also referred sometimes as The Clones, being black. However, I personally don't have a problem with it. Granted, I am a stickler for a story making sense, and with Star Wars being so old, and the movies from the early 2000's explained a lot of things from the trilogy from the 70's that actually takes places before the 2000's series in story line order, it kind of makes me mad at the same time. That being said, as long as they explain how a black Storm Trooper got into the mix, I don't have any problem with it. My best guess is that if they decide to explain it, they ended up needing more clones since Jango Fett was killed by the Jedi, so they found the best available specimen, who just happened to be black. 

My problem with this is not the fact the the Storm Trooper is black, but it how Disney intends to explain this. 


What are your guy's opinion on this issue? 


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One correction, that may be false, but as I understand it, Boba Fett survived the monster thing in episode 6... Hopefully the fan theories will be put to the test in episode 7. Also, the Empire hired other's, because the clones were only in the 501st legion. Every other person, was hired by the Empire. He was most likely not in the 501st, but was hired somewhere in between episode 3 and 6.

I had no problem with him being black, as it doesn't matter. If he's black and the Empire hired him, they hired him. That's it. I was surprised, as that was a first. (I've never thought about clones/storm troopers not being clones.) But I do remember that.
One correction, that may be false, but as I understand it, Boba Fett survived the monster thing in episode 6... Hopefully the fan theories will be put to the test in episode 7. Also, the Empire hired other's, because the clones were only in the 501st legion. Every other person, was hired by the Empire. He was most likely not in the 501st, but was hired somewhere in between episode 3 and 6.

I had no problem with him being black, as it doesn't matter. If he's black and the Empire hired him, they hired him. That's it. I was surprised, as that was a first. (I've never thought about clones/storm troopers not being clones.) But I do remember that.
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I'm there with Darth Yoda.  I thought most stormtroopers were humans who enlisted or were conscripted off planets to fight for the Emperor, not clones.  The 501st (Vader's Fist, if I'm not mistaken) was the only unit that featured clones as the only source of combatants.

But, hey, what do we know?  I would think the folks who wrote the movie would do enough research to ensure the fanboys would all be satisfied with the lore and the stories and such.

I'd even go so far as to google storm troopers and see what the history looks like but I'm sure someone will cover that and take care of business for us.  They'll answer the question.
I'm there with Darth Yoda.  I thought most stormtroopers were humans who enlisted or were conscripted off planets to fight for the Emperor, not clones.  The 501st (Vader's Fist, if I'm not mistaken) was the only unit that featured clones as the only source of combatants.

But, hey, what do we know?  I would think the folks who wrote the movie would do enough research to ensure the fanboys would all be satisfied with the lore and the stories and such.

I'd even go so far as to google storm troopers and see what the history looks like but I'm sure someone will cover that and take care of business for us.  They'll answer the question.
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darthyoda : Boba is the father, and Jango is the son. The son survived, but Boba was killed in 2 in the Monster Arena. 

For future reference, I always refer to things in story line order, not release order. 



Check out the articles that I linked as reference, darthyoda. 
darthyoda : Boba is the father, and Jango is the son. The son survived, but Boba was killed in 2 in the Monster Arena. 

For future reference, I always refer to things in story line order, not release order. 



Check out the articles that I linked as reference, darthyoda. 
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If they can come up with a plausible reason, I will be fine with it, I don't truly see it as that big a deal, especially now with so little actually known. On a side note, Disneys not the one who would really explain it, Lucas himself wrote the script.
If they can come up with a plausible reason, I will be fine with it, I don't truly see it as that big a deal, especially now with so little actually known. On a side note, Disneys not the one who would really explain it, Lucas himself wrote the script.
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warmaker : To the best of my knowledge, the clones were created for the Republic. 

Now, to be completely honest, I have not seen all of the Star Wars, and have been planning on watching all of them in story order for awhile, and have gotten half-way through the 3rd one. I am not sure if I have seen any of the ones from the 70s, but do have the intention of doing so. 

Also, it should be noted that the trilogy from the 2000's comes before the original trilogy that was made in the 70s. 
warmaker : To the best of my knowledge, the clones were created for the Republic. 

Now, to be completely honest, I have not seen all of the Star Wars, and have been planning on watching all of them in story order for awhile, and have gotten half-way through the 3rd one. I am not sure if I have seen any of the ones from the 70s, but do have the intention of doing so. 

Also, it should be noted that the trilogy from the 2000's comes before the original trilogy that was made in the 70s. 
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thing1 : Boba Fett is the son, Jango is the Dad... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Boba_Fett 

It's easily confused though... I am referring to Return of the Jedi. Where he got swallowed in Tatooine. That was Boba Fett. 

I refer to them in order of Episode I-III and then IV-VI... In order of story, not date created. That's the same as you.

I know that Jango is the father, because of Star Wars Battlefront II.
thing1 : Boba Fett is the son, Jango is the Dad... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Boba_Fett 

It's easily confused though... I am referring to Return of the Jedi. Where he got swallowed in Tatooine. That was Boba Fett. 

I refer to them in order of Episode I-III and then IV-VI... In order of story, not date created. That's the same as you.

I know that Jango is the father, because of Star Wars Battlefront II.
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I stand corrected then. I shall fix my post. Thanks for pointing that out. 
I stand corrected then. I shall fix my post. Thanks for pointing that out. 
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I really don't get why people are making a big deal out of this, especially those who call themselves Star Wars fans. The explanation is super simple: If he is part of the Stormtrooper Corp, he was recruited into the corp instead of being cloned.

Keep in mind that Lucas and Disney made that announcement that the Star Wars Expanded Universe (All the lore created from books, comics, etc that are different from the movies) are not considered canon and are not to be mixed with the storyline or the lore with the films. So the ideas that come from the books (Boba Fett survived, Luke was in the dark side at one point, the adventures of the New Republic and the New Jedi Order) should not be considered as theories unless Disney decides to go that route and announce it anyways. But in the Star Wars Expanded Universe, it has been said that after the planet of Kamino fell to the Empire (The cloning planet), the Kaminoians planned to revolt against the Empire, but failed. As a result, the Emperor stopped the cloning program and went with recruitment instead, which made the army quite inferior.

Ignoring all of that since it is Star Wars EU, the films also made it known that the Empire have used recruitment as the way to get people to join the army. Even Luke Skywalker was considering to enter the Imperial Academy along with his childhood friend, Biggs Darklighter, as stated in Star Wars: A New Hope. (Look for the scene when Luke was talking to Uncle Owen about their "agreement" for Luke to join the Academy) The Academy is where all the stormtroopers and officers are being trained.
I really don't get why people are making a big deal out of this, especially those who call themselves Star Wars fans. The explanation is super simple: If he is part of the Stormtrooper Corp, he was recruited into the corp instead of being cloned.

Keep in mind that Lucas and Disney made that announcement that the Star Wars Expanded Universe (All the lore created from books, comics, etc that are different from the movies) are not considered canon and are not to be mixed with the storyline or the lore with the films. So the ideas that come from the books (Boba Fett survived, Luke was in the dark side at one point, the adventures of the New Republic and the New Jedi Order) should not be considered as theories unless Disney decides to go that route and announce it anyways. But in the Star Wars Expanded Universe, it has been said that after the planet of Kamino fell to the Empire (The cloning planet), the Kaminoians planned to revolt against the Empire, but failed. As a result, the Emperor stopped the cloning program and went with recruitment instead, which made the army quite inferior.

Ignoring all of that since it is Star Wars EU, the films also made it known that the Empire have used recruitment as the way to get people to join the army. Even Luke Skywalker was considering to enter the Imperial Academy along with his childhood friend, Biggs Darklighter, as stated in Star Wars: A New Hope. (Look for the scene when Luke was talking to Uncle Owen about their "agreement" for Luke to join the Academy) The Academy is where all the stormtroopers and officers are being trained.
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Basic SW lore, not all Storm Troopers are clones, there are even alien storm troopers.
Basic SW lore, not all Storm Troopers are clones, there are even alien storm troopers.
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play4fun : I'll have to watch the movies from the 70s to understand it better, but you bring up valid points. I always wondered why the Storm Troopers were on the good side in the 2000's trilogy, but the bad side in the 70s series. ( Or am I missing something here ) 
play4fun : I'll have to watch the movies from the 70s to understand it better, but you bring up valid points. I always wondered why the Storm Troopers were on the good side in the 2000's trilogy, but the bad side in the 70s series. ( Or am I missing something here ) 
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thing1 : All politics really. You see the Galactic Senate were waging war against the Separatist alliance which was led by Count Dooku, a former Jedi Knight (Or master, not sure.) Dooku was in fact a sith lord named Lord Tyranus and the apprentice of Lord Sidious, also known Palpatine, Senator of the Galactic senate. So in the end Sidious controlled both parties directly.

The armies for the parties were Clone troopers (Senate.) and battle droids (Separatists.) after the war ended Palpatine turned the Senate into an Empire and they kept the army, however they are now Strom Troopers and not all clones as the clones were discontinued after the Clone wars. The Rebel alliance began to fight against the empire and there you have it.

In a nutshell, senate became empire and went from protagonists to antagonists.
thing1 : All politics really. You see the Galactic Senate were waging war against the Separatist alliance which was led by Count Dooku, a former Jedi Knight (Or master, not sure.) Dooku was in fact a sith lord named Lord Tyranus and the apprentice of Lord Sidious, also known Palpatine, Senator of the Galactic senate. So in the end Sidious controlled both parties directly.

The armies for the parties were Clone troopers (Senate.) and battle droids (Separatists.) after the war ended Palpatine turned the Senate into an Empire and they kept the army, however they are now Strom Troopers and not all clones as the clones were discontinued after the Clone wars. The Rebel alliance began to fight against the empire and there you have it.

In a nutshell, senate became empire and went from protagonists to antagonists.
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Yeah.

AFter the empire took over, they started recruiting off the planets natural populace and even had (very rarely) alien stormtroopers.

Although stormtroopers where cloned at first, there is a mission in Star Wars Battle front II that explains it a little bit.


In the mission, Kamino has rebelled against the Empire and begins raising clone troopers to combat the storm troopers.


After the battle, Emperor Palaptine decided not to have more troopers in his army based of a single Template.

Also, this movie takes place after the fall of Palpatine if I recall correctly, the empire was becoming what would become later known as the remnant, or the remains of the Galactic Empire. So I don't see why they would only use clones exclusively. Besides, drafting citizens is much cheeper and faster than cloning them. Clones would take 10 years to raise, and I wonder how right it was to use humans like a kind of product to be raised for war like that. I mean, the Galactic republic wasn't fighting it's own war, it was using purchased soldiers to do it, who's lives were formed to serve for this purpose rather than given a chance to live like the rest of us, and although I understand the immediate danger that the separatists posed, and maybe there was no other way. I sure hope that after the war, the clones got their due, or at least some of them did. Maybe they didn't care to live normal lives though.

Wow, thanks thing1, now I have to go make a Star Wars thread. XD
Yeah.

AFter the empire took over, they started recruiting off the planets natural populace and even had (very rarely) alien stormtroopers.

Although stormtroopers where cloned at first, there is a mission in Star Wars Battle front II that explains it a little bit.


In the mission, Kamino has rebelled against the Empire and begins raising clone troopers to combat the storm troopers.


After the battle, Emperor Palaptine decided not to have more troopers in his army based of a single Template.

Also, this movie takes place after the fall of Palpatine if I recall correctly, the empire was becoming what would become later known as the remnant, or the remains of the Galactic Empire. So I don't see why they would only use clones exclusively. Besides, drafting citizens is much cheeper and faster than cloning them. Clones would take 10 years to raise, and I wonder how right it was to use humans like a kind of product to be raised for war like that. I mean, the Galactic republic wasn't fighting it's own war, it was using purchased soldiers to do it, who's lives were formed to serve for this purpose rather than given a chance to live like the rest of us, and although I understand the immediate danger that the separatists posed, and maybe there was no other way. I sure hope that after the war, the clones got their due, or at least some of them did. Maybe they didn't care to live normal lives though.

Wow, thanks thing1, now I have to go make a Star Wars thread. XD
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