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I don't know many users that are still active... I'm totally yesteryear at best and no thread awards avast

Happy (belated) birthday man.

Huh, I would have sworn though that your Birthday was last year though....

h yes, the tiers


I'll only be talking about smash 4 so bear with me.

I think it's good that I do a final evaluation of 1.10 as the new patch comes out in 4 days from the time of this post (super mario maker yay)


Top tiers:

Shiek: this ones a no brainer, with her great speed, the tool for every situation, and her bread and butter Fair, it's easy to have her at the top of the list.

Strengths:

Speed, combo potential, ability to body almost everyone or camp them out with needles beat almost every high and top tier

Weaknesses:

Low kill power, kills at 120-140

What I would like to see next patch:

NEEEEEEDLE NERFSSSS




Zero Suit Samus:

kills at 20% off grab, Uair, Uair, UpB and is Sakurai's waifu, of course she's top tier, and never getting nerfs.

NEXT

jk

ZSS is fast and the new Falcon from melee her stungun sets up into grab that can rack about 20% per grab unless you are at 20%, then you die (it is a 50% mixup, but yeah) also her flipkick it has invincibity forever on startup, and it's safe on shield, not only that, you can jump either way on contact so no chasing on perfect shield. Also it means she can recover from almost anywhere.

Flipkick nerf plz


pikachu :

Super fast, as fast a shiek and has kill power, but is lighter then shiek.

I think Pika is top tier is because he beats every high tier, he just does and has an even matchup with shiek, and BEATS SHIEK with customs.

He (it?) combo's heavy and has a mixup that kills at 90% (DI depentant)

And has powerful smashes

nerfs? Idk maybe less damage on some moves like Uair?



peach :

Yes, I think Peach is top tier, with 40% combos, incredible spacing tools that nobody even comes close to and the ability to infinite a majority of the cast, why is peach never talked about?

She doesn't suffer against the top tiers like at all, kills shiek/pikachu at 90 with rage (already got half of that off of that combo) and can float over ZSS's/luigi's shenanigan grabs.

nerfs? none she's hard as heck to play and deserves to be better then shiek if you can master her, but nobody except EOE and slayerz has done so.


luigi :

GRAB + Dthrow = EVERYTIHNG

Nerf Bair, and Usmash, knockback and Uair damage I'm happy.

I can ran on how easy luigi is to play I swear aside from mastering tornado you can master luigi in some 8 hours. everyone has a pocket luigi now.


That's it for top tiers, now high tiers



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Cpt. Falcon
DK
Mario
Sonic
Yoshi
Diddy
Ness
Ike
Fox
Lucario
MetaKnight
Villager
Wii Fit
Shulk
Pacman
Roy
Sonic
Ryu
Mii Brawler
Little Mac
ROB
Charizard
Greninga

These characters are ok and don't need changed, we know about these characters alot so I'm gonna just jump on down and cover the mid tiers and speak about what they need the most to be high tiers.

Link: speed increase just a bit. He barely misses high tier, also better grab. (you gave him a better Dthrow, now just give us a good grab)

Toon Link: More speed, he has good potential with boomerang setups and bombs to combo into smashes

Marth/Lucina: combo throw please, please, also a little less end lag on arials, you did good in 1.0.8 sakurai, just a little more plz.

Olimar: I don't know anything about him so I'm gonna blindly say more damage per hit?

Megaman: read above

Falco: Speed please, make him more like fox, and add laser canceling please.

Pit: make him faster, he looks like a fast fighter and make more height on his initial jump so he has more moves out of it and increase speed

Dark pit: increase speed as well, and make his micro shock send players horizontal instead of a 45 so players don't have to DI at ALL.

kirby : more disjoint? every time he goes to make a hit he takes a risk, he needs something to seriously counter that weakness without breaking him, and I don't think Utilts like back in Smash 64 is the answer.

Jigglypuff: Make rest kill at 0 instead of 60% seriously this would make her top tier instantly. also reduce knockback on Uthrow, seriously it should combo into rest at 0%

Mew2: remove the hurtbox on his tail please, he needs disjoint, also why does he die for no reason at 90%

Wario: he's high tier with customs, but a hard camper; he needs more combos of of dthrow

Robin: Make him faster and he's high tier like Pacman.

Game and watch: idrk, make it so he can't bucket shiek's vanish though, it kills at 0% and breaks shields. _/

Low tiers:


Samus: FASTER SHES SUPPOSE TO BE MORE POWERFUL WITH THE SUIT ON

As for Bowser Gannon and DDD, I think they just suck in 1 on 1 and always will, I don't think they need buffed as Bowser and Gannon have shield breaks and insane punish moves It is the oe flaw in how we only play seriously in one format.


I know I missed some characters, but that's all I can really say with my current knowledge.

What about The Stone Legion

cnw64 :

Sony Vegas pro 13.0

Yeah, I'm a big fan of over-saturation....

I've seen to many bad PMMM AMV's and wanted to make a a good one.



Thanks, I haven't really gotten any feedback so I wan't sure if they were good or just awful.


E: nice layout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri5kf-8Yvxs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koeVosYNagw




I did these over the course of a month.


Please comment rate and subscribe


No seriously, feedback is greatly appreciated good or bad. (bad more then good)


E: embedding isn't working

legacyme3 : I left like a month after you came back

Eniitan : eep

Bintsy : oh yeah, we had a nice talk in chat a few months ago iirc

Davideo7 :
Jordanv78 :

I quite literally log on, find decent thread, pour at least 5x as many words into a post then everyone else in the thread, log off to not be seen for another month or so.

I feel very distant.


Hidden Phantom : I don't remember you.

Though I do like your layout a lot.

Razor-987 :

Link get's warped to EVO, loses the smash ball powers and is pitted up against my main, Peach.


The matchup is for the most part in favor of peach because of her high mobility and ability to combo heavies very well. And that's if she is forced to approach because of links bombs and boomerang.

Her jab is at /least/ 2 frames faster iirc and float is a safe option for approach especially if you mix it up with fast falls to dash attack/QFR dsmashes..

With link's predictable recovery, it's easy to turnip GIMP him and well, bye bye link.

It's a sad uphill battle for heavies.





(yes I know, I'm no fun)

thing1 :

I got a DA account, then I got a day job, then I stopped drawing, then I started playing sm4sh, then I was bored and decided to check back here.


Basically I left because I didn't really have a reason to come back, I found the place entertaining for a while, but I found better things to do that actually accumulate to something I could take hold of later in life. (like coding and art, post quality though nice isn't exactly a must)


That and I didn't know how to make friends. (that would have bugged me to come back)


E: iirc you were send to the dungeon of no return before.

After clocking another 200 hours into sm4sh, I swapped mains.

I now play The priness Peach herself.


With great mobility, the ability to instantly able to do ground and arials in a megerly low ammount of frames, a very handy projectile set for comboing, and amazing combo potential to begin with, I find peach to be a very solid character to play.

Unlike Toon Link, counterpick matches are not as strong such as against bowser, Sonic, falcon ans shiek.

Though the princess does have counterpicks, like shiek and zero suit, It's really the only complaint I have a bot the character. The only thing she lacks is a big red panic button.

It's incredibly important to know the matchup before going into a game, because peach has to adapt to every character individually, you don't fight a charazard the say way you do a luigi or diddy kong.

She is by far the most technically advanced character I have picked up period. With the ability to Quick floar release (similar to wave dashing) JFCFF (jump float cancel fast fall) for unpradictability and a super tight turnip lock for zero deaths, and the ability to combo into virtually anything from a d-tilt or QFR nair. It's almost like melee has been brough back in the form of a peachy princess.

having a very difficult learning curb, but incredibly power playstyle against thoes who know nothing against the character you can easily take the opponent from 0 to 60 in meger seconds with QFR nairs to dtilts to bairs and dairs to dairs to fairs.

speaking of her fair, it's incredibly powerful, it is not just a killing move, but you can gimp with it, especially since you can float. And it's even safe on shield while floating backwards!

Peach is an agressive character, but shouldn't attempt to beat otehr to the pnch like shiek and diddy, it's good to play cold against them, or I should say realy cold, because peach, though has to get in to do damage, does so by baiting foes, with place dodge to dmash, and her floating fairs and turnips, you can wittle away on their shield and make them get irritated.

Also for those who have mastered the turnip lock can kill very prematurely, though it's hard to set up initially againsthe characters you really want to do it against like shiek. So it should be looked at like Jigglypuffs rest... except the opponent would never think that you would have one up your sleve.

Did I also mention a dair (at 0% on up an away DI) to foorstool nair jab lock can conbo to d-tilt and footstooled sourspot bair for 60% damadge?

And that's not all, their are otehr characte specific tricks like gimping a skiek using up special to snap to the ledge can be faired out of it for a kill and more!

So yeah she's certianly a character to look out for in the later meta, even if the turnip lock is patched out at some point.

I forget if I had friends on this website at one time or another.

Are you my friend?

If you are, I apoligize for my rudeness, And I am sending my salutations.

I'm not certian why, but I can't remember anyone I ever had as a friend on the internet. (except for you mrfe, you were the only one I can remember)


P.S. this isn't a returning thread... at least it isn't suppose to be, but subject to change if someone actually comes forth and actually knows me.

E: and to my friends, I am faring just fine... I hve a job now, and attend smash tourneys on a monthly basis and watch anime some. Life is good to me, sometimes.

My motherboard fried in my computer yesterday that I was given by a friend almost 3 years ago.


I'm building something suited for high end video editing and stuff of the like. My budget is $1600.
I went to pcpartpicker.com and started clicking on stuff.
Here's what I managed to fumble together on a few hours research and such.

CPU Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($552.95)
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($129.99)
Motherboard ASRock X99M Extreme4 Micro ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($168.98)
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($164.99)
Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 Memory ($0.00) already own
Storage Mushkin Chronos 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($0.00) already own
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($0.00) already own
Video card EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99)
Case NZXT Phantom 240 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99)
Power Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99)
Optic drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99)

Total: $1475.77


I can't think of anything else I'm missing, but I'm begging for suggestions by someone more knowledgeable then myself.

yoshirulez! : Now where's the fun in that?

Just testing something...

I'mm take a copy of influent and a Japanese language pack.

wiring the 7,500 Viz now.

Smash 64:

I haven't even played the game before...

Melee/PM:

Captain Falcon

For being an incredibly difficult character to main, let alone control properly, I choose the captain himself.

He fits my very aggressive playstyle, and I have found that even after 100 hours clocked on him I still haven't been able to control him completely properly. landing my knees out of down/up throws is still very difficult to do at times (even without DI'ing interfering). .

But with his high speed and very difficult ability to harness his power to the fullest comes a very high amount of power and ability to perform. Falcon players suck unless they don't. and when they don't you can very easily tell. I've seen some awesome 0 to KO stocks just of high level performance on my end, notice that I've only done this about 4 or 5 times, (including one 4 stock) with someone of equal level of skill.

Grab, up throw, knee, Dash attack, Dair offstage for KO. (gotta love 'dem Dairs)

So that's why I like falcon, If I can just swamp the opponent with my own awesomeness, they don't have chance. But oh God have mercy, his recovery... how many SD's have I created because of him? I've had at least on every 10 stocks if not more

gimme another 300 hours and I will start being FEARED.



Brawl:

I played Toon link, but that was before I knew anything about the game. And I can't recall anything I did as him other then jump around and use down stabs in 3 player mode.


Sm4sh:

Toon link

As my main since Brawl, I've always taken a liking to this floaty guy. I like his passive/agressive playstyle owning most characters with his projectile game. Especially characters like Marth, Bowser, Gannondorf, and DeeDeeDee.

With bombs, a bomerang and arrows, you can keep most characters at bay (even ones with decent projectiles like Link) and force them to approach unless they have good reflecting tools like falco's shine. The boomerang and bombs are good tools to prevent them, and assist you in edge guarding. Just avoid the downstabs unless they are also in the air or you use them at low altitudes out of a short hop... Use bombs to attack below in the air.

I love also dash grabbing as this guy, even if they roll back I can catch most players with shorter rolls like fox. the only issue is that it's highly punishable for failure because of duration it takes for him to put his hookshot back into hammerspace. My favorite move is to throw a bomb at marth at 110%- 123% follows by a KOing up smash. (any higher and he can jump out of it, and lower and he won't be KOed)

And as a second solid to counter Falco (screw your shine, I can't even hit you EVER) and Rosalina or just to gain the ability to laugh at the mere win of the match....


JigglyPuff

Originally picking her after watching the APEX 2014 finals and seeing Hungrybox (jigs) have a huge comeback in the second match KO'ing mango (fox) twice in a row and barely losing the match coming back from a 3 stock down round.


In sm4sh I find it dangerously easy to land rests as her... dishing out at least one or two per match (two stock match) I love her Nair game at low altitudes, and the multiple jumps really can bring in her unpredictability making her air game more unpredictable then her ground game. Also her rest is so much easier to land than in PM/Melee (though you have to get the opponent to 40-60% to KO instead of 0-30%).

I usually get it by standing on the edge and shielding a dash attack, because it's the edge the foe will not continue to travel forward and BAM guaranteed rest like that. Also you can do it of Pit's forward Special and Sonic's Homing attack out of a back roll or in-place dodge depending on sonic's positioning.

Also I love hard reading into FSmash, especially when the opponent goes to grab me on the edge not falling for my rest setup and I roll and FSmash. *smug grin*

#sleepycapbest4ever.








P.S.Kinda funny I play aggressively in PM but passive in Sm4sh, outside of Jigs Nair game to cover opponents. Have to treat the things as two different ball parks completely.

P.P.S Longest post I've made in about 6 months way to go BLink.

TheFadedWarrior :

I'm 80% sure you misread what I typed.

Redundant moves like warlock punch (were) made into useful moves.

And yes I'm fully aware it was a fully functional CPU clone that follows you around.



E: oh wait you were referring to the cape as useless. nevermind