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04-02-15 02:55 PM
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Is it just me or some people are trying to make "fat" (read: people under 50 with BMI over 27-28) be glorified?

Don't get me wrong: I KNOW that models and actors have "nice" bodies because they have all the time in the world to maintain their bodies. In other words, most "ordinary" people usually don't have the time to train 1-2 hours per day and eat right so many of them will pack extra weight.

Isn't this new trend actually telling us that fat is not only good but should be cherished? Obesity comes with a host of health problems that can make on miserable: high blood pressure, arteriosclerosis, diabetes, heart attacks...

And is it a reason to constantly imagine Disney characters with so-called realistic waists? Most of the stories told by Disney come from an era where body appearance, while not as important as today, still was important and seemed to trend towards slimmer waist size (Queen Elizabeth didn't seem to have love handles on her portraits).

What do you think? Is the present campaign to "normalize" fat justified or it's going too far? Would you change something?

Disclaimer: My intention is not to hurt anyone. I'm just inquiring about something that seems incongruous.

Is it just me or some people are trying to make "fat" (read: people under 50 with BMI over 27-28) be glorified?

Don't get me wrong: I KNOW that models and actors have "nice" bodies because they have all the time in the world to maintain their bodies. In other words, most "ordinary" people usually don't have the time to train 1-2 hours per day and eat right so many of them will pack extra weight.

Isn't this new trend actually telling us that fat is not only good but should be cherished? Obesity comes with a host of health problems that can make on miserable: high blood pressure, arteriosclerosis, diabetes, heart attacks...

And is it a reason to constantly imagine Disney characters with so-called realistic waists? Most of the stories told by Disney come from an era where body appearance, while not as important as today, still was important and seemed to trend towards slimmer waist size (Queen Elizabeth didn't seem to have love handles on her portraits).

What do you think? Is the present campaign to "normalize" fat justified or it's going too far? Would you change something?

Disclaimer: My intention is not to hurt anyone. I'm just inquiring about something that seems incongruous.

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04-02-15 03:57 PM
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Personally, I think the original intention was to just not shame people, because shame tends to lead to more destructive problems instead of helping fix the problem (if it actually is one) and makes things worse in the long run. 

I don't think the original intention of fat acceptance was to glorify obesity. I really don't. I think the original intent was to make people who are overweight not be so ashamed of their body that they do nothing to help themselves. I don't know about you, but if I am ashamed of something, I tend to try to hide it, not bring it out where potentially more people could see it, make fun of me and make me feel awful about it, even if doing so might help me fix what I'm ashamed about.

This is why so many overweight people won't go to fitness classes, the gym, or even fun things like zumba classes or what not. They are SO SURE that people are going to laugh or shame them for not being perfectly fit that they get discouraged before they even go...so they simply don't. It's a destructive cycle, but one that is very hard to break. Take it from someone who's been there. 

I'm not sure how far things have gone now, but I believe that the original intent was to take away this shame so people who are unhealthy and overweight could do something about it without being stigmatized into immobility, which worsens the problem. After all, wouldn't you rather receive encouragement, making you feel good about yourself and energizing you into making yourself feel even BETTER about yourself? I know I would. The thing is is that so much backlash (at least early on, when I paid attention to this sort of deali-o) happened that people responded by getting more and more radical, trying to get themselves heard. It's gotten out of control now, I think.

I do agree with one thing that gets said a lot, though. You don't have to be thin to be healthy. You can carry too much weight and be HEALTHY. I look at some weight lifter and runner women (who, as far as I know, don't use steroids) who are clearly overweight, but they are strong, they are fit, they can run for MILES without being out of breath or they can lift incredible amounts of weight and be steady...I see health. THeir bodies may carry too much fat, but sometimes that's just because of how a person's body make up is. So that much, I do agree with. The fat-shaming aspect of saying 'everyone who is overweight is unhealthy' simply isn't true, and neither is the reverse. Everyone who is thin is not healthy. There's more to it than that. *sigh*
Personally, I think the original intention was to just not shame people, because shame tends to lead to more destructive problems instead of helping fix the problem (if it actually is one) and makes things worse in the long run. 

I don't think the original intention of fat acceptance was to glorify obesity. I really don't. I think the original intent was to make people who are overweight not be so ashamed of their body that they do nothing to help themselves. I don't know about you, but if I am ashamed of something, I tend to try to hide it, not bring it out where potentially more people could see it, make fun of me and make me feel awful about it, even if doing so might help me fix what I'm ashamed about.

This is why so many overweight people won't go to fitness classes, the gym, or even fun things like zumba classes or what not. They are SO SURE that people are going to laugh or shame them for not being perfectly fit that they get discouraged before they even go...so they simply don't. It's a destructive cycle, but one that is very hard to break. Take it from someone who's been there. 

I'm not sure how far things have gone now, but I believe that the original intent was to take away this shame so people who are unhealthy and overweight could do something about it without being stigmatized into immobility, which worsens the problem. After all, wouldn't you rather receive encouragement, making you feel good about yourself and energizing you into making yourself feel even BETTER about yourself? I know I would. The thing is is that so much backlash (at least early on, when I paid attention to this sort of deali-o) happened that people responded by getting more and more radical, trying to get themselves heard. It's gotten out of control now, I think.

I do agree with one thing that gets said a lot, though. You don't have to be thin to be healthy. You can carry too much weight and be HEALTHY. I look at some weight lifter and runner women (who, as far as I know, don't use steroids) who are clearly overweight, but they are strong, they are fit, they can run for MILES without being out of breath or they can lift incredible amounts of weight and be steady...I see health. THeir bodies may carry too much fat, but sometimes that's just because of how a person's body make up is. So that much, I do agree with. The fat-shaming aspect of saying 'everyone who is overweight is unhealthy' simply isn't true, and neither is the reverse. Everyone who is thin is not healthy. There's more to it than that. *sigh*
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I agree with Yunimori, I think it's original intend was to stop shaming them.

However, it does seem like some people are trying to make obesity something to thrive for, or at the very least to make it seem ok.

And hate me all you want, being obese/fat is not ok. Sure, there are some fat people who are healthy, but they aren't very fat to begin with. Being fat/obese is bad, leading cause of preventable death in the world.

Anyone can lose weight. Literally, anyone. Mind you, it's not easy for everyone, but everyone can. You can use excuses like medicine, medical conditions, etc... But those things are just minor obstacles, not something to impede you 100%.

Bringing shame to fat/obese people is bad, but letting them think and overall say that it's OK might be just as bad if not worse.

Beauty standards also account to this, since people think fat/obese people are not attractive.
Honestly, the whole "Everyone is beautiful" thing is a lie. For someone to be beautiful, another person has to be deemed ugly. The phrase should go "Everyone has the potential to be beautiful", which is true, but not everyone is beautiful.

Tl:dr:
Shaming fat people is bad but being fat and/or saying being fat is ok is also bad.
I agree with Yunimori, I think it's original intend was to stop shaming them.

However, it does seem like some people are trying to make obesity something to thrive for, or at the very least to make it seem ok.

And hate me all you want, being obese/fat is not ok. Sure, there are some fat people who are healthy, but they aren't very fat to begin with. Being fat/obese is bad, leading cause of preventable death in the world.

Anyone can lose weight. Literally, anyone. Mind you, it's not easy for everyone, but everyone can. You can use excuses like medicine, medical conditions, etc... But those things are just minor obstacles, not something to impede you 100%.

Bringing shame to fat/obese people is bad, but letting them think and overall say that it's OK might be just as bad if not worse.

Beauty standards also account to this, since people think fat/obese people are not attractive.
Honestly, the whole "Everyone is beautiful" thing is a lie. For someone to be beautiful, another person has to be deemed ugly. The phrase should go "Everyone has the potential to be beautiful", which is true, but not everyone is beautiful.

Tl:dr:
Shaming fat people is bad but being fat and/or saying being fat is ok is also bad.
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Thank you both for your answers.

They do make sense: Shaming people for their looks, whatever it may be, is simply wrong. My brother got mocked because he was fatter (not even overweight) and it made him feel uneasy.

I think maguc nails it right (in better words): it's like being fat has become trendy. Everywhere on newspeak liberal websites there are articles about plus-size models (and I do mean plus as in size 20) and how it's a victory against body stereotypes. It's funny that such a comment comes from many feminists, whose magazines usually have more skinny models than Maxim...

Anyway, Yunimori puts on another great point: you can be fat and fit. I remember watching a BBC show that talk about the "ideal body", and the reporter (who looked "normal") could barely keep up with "fat" women in a cross fit circuit.

So in other words, as long as you at least make an effort to have healthy habits, your look doesn't matter that much with respect to long-term health. Sure, I won't hide that I prefer looking at fitness models than people with love handles, but some are just blessed with good genes...
Thank you both for your answers.

They do make sense: Shaming people for their looks, whatever it may be, is simply wrong. My brother got mocked because he was fatter (not even overweight) and it made him feel uneasy.

I think maguc nails it right (in better words): it's like being fat has become trendy. Everywhere on newspeak liberal websites there are articles about plus-size models (and I do mean plus as in size 20) and how it's a victory against body stereotypes. It's funny that such a comment comes from many feminists, whose magazines usually have more skinny models than Maxim...

Anyway, Yunimori puts on another great point: you can be fat and fit. I remember watching a BBC show that talk about the "ideal body", and the reporter (who looked "normal") could barely keep up with "fat" women in a cross fit circuit.

So in other words, as long as you at least make an effort to have healthy habits, your look doesn't matter that much with respect to long-term health. Sure, I won't hide that I prefer looking at fitness models than people with love handles, but some are just blessed with good genes...
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I think the idea that you are "perfect just the way you are" is BS. There are plenty of people whose lifestyles are destructive and should feel bad for making the choices they do.

That being said I don't think there is anything constructive from shaming or mocking someone for being overweight. There are a lot of reasons for being overweight and not everyone can fix it easily.

Also, not everyone is attracted to the same kind of person. I find certain body types to be more attractive than others. I find when girls are too skinny that they lose their feminine qualities. I prefer girls with curves. Obviously there is a limit to the amount of curvy-ness that I like but that's my preference. What I find attractive is different than what many others find attractive. People need to stop worrying about being the "most" attractive and worry about finding someone that finds them attractive that they also find attractive.
I think the idea that you are "perfect just the way you are" is BS. There are plenty of people whose lifestyles are destructive and should feel bad for making the choices they do.

That being said I don't think there is anything constructive from shaming or mocking someone for being overweight. There are a lot of reasons for being overweight and not everyone can fix it easily.

Also, not everyone is attracted to the same kind of person. I find certain body types to be more attractive than others. I find when girls are too skinny that they lose their feminine qualities. I prefer girls with curves. Obviously there is a limit to the amount of curvy-ness that I like but that's my preference. What I find attractive is different than what many others find attractive. People need to stop worrying about being the "most" attractive and worry about finding someone that finds them attractive that they also find attractive.
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