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Before I being I would like to thank my esteemed colleges in welcoming me into this group. I wish them all the best in their respective fields of study and will applaud them upon their successes. Now to why you clicked on this thread. My name is fallman and in the real world I am a C.C. with the American Culinary Federation, servsafe certified, and have a associates in Culinary food science/development. I went to school for two years and extended for 3 months. Also I have worked at 4 different restaurants, most of which have a name for themselves. Now why do I tell you this? Mainly so that you the reader may know where I am coming from and how I have amassed so much knowledge and also so that these articles have more of a human side to them. I really try when I write to make it seem like I am there teaching you along the way. So lets get to cooking.

Stocks

A stock is the most essential part of a kitchen excluding the equipment and the cooks within the walls. This is mainly due to it being the base for all sauces and an essential part for sautéing vegetables. Now a stock is pretty basic water, bones, mirepoxie a satche. Now lets focus on the individual pieces themselves excluding the water all that is needed to know there is to fill up your pot above the bones with water, not too full so that you spill it all over the place when you put it on the stove. But full enough to get the most out of your bones.

Lets start with the bones. You have a some choices with this. You can make a stock out of almost any bones, Fish bones (this is called a fumet not a stock when made out of fish bones), beef bones, chicken bones, duck bones. Almost any bone can be made into a stock. Now if you have beef or duck bones it would be best to roast them and caramelize the bones so that you can make a nice brown stock. But if your short on time or don't want to it is not necessary, I recommend it though. Once you have prepared your bones grab a large pot around 2 to 3 gallons for a large batch, I wouldn't suggest using a pot lower than 1 and a half gallon. Fill the pot with water, add your satche of black pepper corns, sprigs of thyme, sprigs of rosemary, salt and bay leave. With your satche less is more, so don't add five tbsp of pepper corns to it a tbsp will be fine. Then bring it to a boil and bring it down to a simmer again before adding your mirepoxie.

Mirepoxie is generally accepted as being 25% carrot 25% celery and 75% onion this is usually cut into a small dice if you want to be perfect. A peeling and quick chop will do as well. Just make sure your veg is clean before you add it to the pot also any scrap veg can be used to spice up your stock.

The most important part is what comes next the skimming of the stock. This is a little tricky considering that you want your pot hot enough to create a convection with little chick pea sized bubbles come to the surface. But you don't want a rolling boil because that doesn't allow you to skim your stock right. Skim the top grease off continuously for several hours making a large batch of stock can take up to six hours and a fumet can take 2 hours. But a quality stock is worth it when you have finished. To finish the stock off strain through a chinwah (fine mesh strainer) this will remove any particles of fat and blood that were not skimmed off. Put your finished stock in a metal container and chill in an ice bath if you are going to use immediately it would be best to keep hot on a burner on your stove.

Now I know the process is long but the outcome is worth it. Like crafting a perfect wine a stock is worth the effort. 




Before I being I would like to thank my esteemed colleges in welcoming me into this group. I wish them all the best in their respective fields of study and will applaud them upon their successes. Now to why you clicked on this thread. My name is fallman and in the real world I am a C.C. with the American Culinary Federation, servsafe certified, and have a associates in Culinary food science/development. I went to school for two years and extended for 3 months. Also I have worked at 4 different restaurants, most of which have a name for themselves. Now why do I tell you this? Mainly so that you the reader may know where I am coming from and how I have amassed so much knowledge and also so that these articles have more of a human side to them. I really try when I write to make it seem like I am there teaching you along the way. So lets get to cooking.

Stocks

A stock is the most essential part of a kitchen excluding the equipment and the cooks within the walls. This is mainly due to it being the base for all sauces and an essential part for sautéing vegetables. Now a stock is pretty basic water, bones, mirepoxie a satche. Now lets focus on the individual pieces themselves excluding the water all that is needed to know there is to fill up your pot above the bones with water, not too full so that you spill it all over the place when you put it on the stove. But full enough to get the most out of your bones.

Lets start with the bones. You have a some choices with this. You can make a stock out of almost any bones, Fish bones (this is called a fumet not a stock when made out of fish bones), beef bones, chicken bones, duck bones. Almost any bone can be made into a stock. Now if you have beef or duck bones it would be best to roast them and caramelize the bones so that you can make a nice brown stock. But if your short on time or don't want to it is not necessary, I recommend it though. Once you have prepared your bones grab a large pot around 2 to 3 gallons for a large batch, I wouldn't suggest using a pot lower than 1 and a half gallon. Fill the pot with water, add your satche of black pepper corns, sprigs of thyme, sprigs of rosemary, salt and bay leave. With your satche less is more, so don't add five tbsp of pepper corns to it a tbsp will be fine. Then bring it to a boil and bring it down to a simmer again before adding your mirepoxie.

Mirepoxie is generally accepted as being 25% carrot 25% celery and 75% onion this is usually cut into a small dice if you want to be perfect. A peeling and quick chop will do as well. Just make sure your veg is clean before you add it to the pot also any scrap veg can be used to spice up your stock.

The most important part is what comes next the skimming of the stock. This is a little tricky considering that you want your pot hot enough to create a convection with little chick pea sized bubbles come to the surface. But you don't want a rolling boil because that doesn't allow you to skim your stock right. Skim the top grease off continuously for several hours making a large batch of stock can take up to six hours and a fumet can take 2 hours. But a quality stock is worth it when you have finished. To finish the stock off strain through a chinwah (fine mesh strainer) this will remove any particles of fat and blood that were not skimmed off. Put your finished stock in a metal container and chill in an ice bath if you are going to use immediately it would be best to keep hot on a burner on your stove.

Now I know the process is long but the outcome is worth it. Like crafting a perfect wine a stock is worth the effort. 




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okay, so I absolutely ADORE the idea of this thread.  Although I can't cook, some of my favorite reality shows are cooking shows, and since I've tried experimenting in the kitchen, I've found the idea of cooking as a hobby or profession to be absolutely fascinating. Every time I hear about what other people cook, I think I drool a bit and feel some jealousy.  How feasible is it to make it in this world as a chef, and do you have to have any basic knowledge before doing something like culinary school?  I'm pretty sure it would NEVER happen for me, but what a fun way to go, if I ever had the chance!

I definitely didn't understand some of your terms though.... For example, what the heck is mirepoxie a satche?  (I see where you explained the mirepoxie part, but is it SOLELY the chopped veggies?) How much do you need in comparison to the other amounts you gave?

I'm kind of amazed at the idea of making stock out of fish bones.  They are SO tiny... I used to fish for king salmon in Alaska, and even those bones were minute. Just how many do you need to make a fumet, and how long would it take to gather that many?  I'm sure they're sold in quantity for chefs... but if you were to collect them yourself from fish you cooked? Wow!

How many bones do you typically need for other types of stock?  How do you caramelize bones?

What should you skim your stock with?

Sorry for all the questions. I just would love to try this myself some day. I'm sure it's much healthier than store-bought stock.
okay, so I absolutely ADORE the idea of this thread.  Although I can't cook, some of my favorite reality shows are cooking shows, and since I've tried experimenting in the kitchen, I've found the idea of cooking as a hobby or profession to be absolutely fascinating. Every time I hear about what other people cook, I think I drool a bit and feel some jealousy.  How feasible is it to make it in this world as a chef, and do you have to have any basic knowledge before doing something like culinary school?  I'm pretty sure it would NEVER happen for me, but what a fun way to go, if I ever had the chance!

I definitely didn't understand some of your terms though.... For example, what the heck is mirepoxie a satche?  (I see where you explained the mirepoxie part, but is it SOLELY the chopped veggies?) How much do you need in comparison to the other amounts you gave?

I'm kind of amazed at the idea of making stock out of fish bones.  They are SO tiny... I used to fish for king salmon in Alaska, and even those bones were minute. Just how many do you need to make a fumet, and how long would it take to gather that many?  I'm sure they're sold in quantity for chefs... but if you were to collect them yourself from fish you cooked? Wow!

How many bones do you typically need for other types of stock?  How do you caramelize bones?

What should you skim your stock with?

Sorry for all the questions. I just would love to try this myself some day. I'm sure it's much healthier than store-bought stock.
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Singelli: It is no problem I am a teacher here. To start on your question of my experience upon entering culinary school, I will be honest I had very little the most I had was cooking simple meals at home. Like hamburger steaks or pasta with a red sauce, stuff that is so simple you almost cant mess up. 

Mirepoix is divided into 2/4ths onion, 1/4th celery, and 1/4th carrot all medium to small dice (but to be honest your cuts don't matter much when it comes to stock since it will be strained anyway.) so think of it like this you need four cups of mirepoix it would be 2 cups onion, 1 cup celery, and 1 cup carrot and nothing else. 

A satche is a bag of herbs that you wrap in cheese cloth I like to use rosemary, thyme, garlic, and black peppercorns in my satches for stocks. But you could add any herb you want to. It is your stock so have it your way. 

In reference to the amount of stock you are making about a half cup of mirepoix per gallon of stock or a little less than is needed to cover the top.

Honestly you don't need much to make a fumet I would say for a large batch about two fish worth. So after you take off the fillets from your salmon cut off the heads and throw them to your cat throw the rest into a pot and that should be more than enough.

Also in restaurants if we make fumet it is because we have a lot of fish that we butchered that week. No one sells fish bones it is just a byproduct of the fish we need for service. This is mainly due to no one wanting to buy them in mass quantities. But this the exact opposite when it comes to chicken and beef bones which are readily available to consumers.

To make a stock grab the biggest pot you have or are willing to make stock in. Now fill that pot 3/4ths of the way full and fill the rest of the pot just above the bones with water.

Caramelized bones are done by roasting your bones just take a roasting pan ( a pan with sides about 4 inches high) place your bones in said pan with some canola oil. Olive oil is acceptable too but it is way too expensive for something so simple as this. Also don't toss the bones with the oil since it is only there to prevent the bones from sticking to the bottom of the pan. Place in the oven at 450 for about an hour or when the bones are turning a light brown color. This should only be done with beef or poultry products (Ie: turkey, duck, chicken, etc). Also if you roast beef bones when they are done you get a little treat of bone marrow just dig a bit out with a small spoon put on some toast it is great.

Skim your stock with a ladle just taking the top portion off. 

I hope this helps


Singelli: It is no problem I am a teacher here. To start on your question of my experience upon entering culinary school, I will be honest I had very little the most I had was cooking simple meals at home. Like hamburger steaks or pasta with a red sauce, stuff that is so simple you almost cant mess up. 

Mirepoix is divided into 2/4ths onion, 1/4th celery, and 1/4th carrot all medium to small dice (but to be honest your cuts don't matter much when it comes to stock since it will be strained anyway.) so think of it like this you need four cups of mirepoix it would be 2 cups onion, 1 cup celery, and 1 cup carrot and nothing else. 

A satche is a bag of herbs that you wrap in cheese cloth I like to use rosemary, thyme, garlic, and black peppercorns in my satches for stocks. But you could add any herb you want to. It is your stock so have it your way. 

In reference to the amount of stock you are making about a half cup of mirepoix per gallon of stock or a little less than is needed to cover the top.

Honestly you don't need much to make a fumet I would say for a large batch about two fish worth. So after you take off the fillets from your salmon cut off the heads and throw them to your cat throw the rest into a pot and that should be more than enough.

Also in restaurants if we make fumet it is because we have a lot of fish that we butchered that week. No one sells fish bones it is just a byproduct of the fish we need for service. This is mainly due to no one wanting to buy them in mass quantities. But this the exact opposite when it comes to chicken and beef bones which are readily available to consumers.

To make a stock grab the biggest pot you have or are willing to make stock in. Now fill that pot 3/4ths of the way full and fill the rest of the pot just above the bones with water.

Caramelized bones are done by roasting your bones just take a roasting pan ( a pan with sides about 4 inches high) place your bones in said pan with some canola oil. Olive oil is acceptable too but it is way too expensive for something so simple as this. Also don't toss the bones with the oil since it is only there to prevent the bones from sticking to the bottom of the pan. Place in the oven at 450 for about an hour or when the bones are turning a light brown color. This should only be done with beef or poultry products (Ie: turkey, duck, chicken, etc). Also if you roast beef bones when they are done you get a little treat of bone marrow just dig a bit out with a small spoon put on some toast it is great.

Skim your stock with a ladle just taking the top portion off. 

I hope this helps

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That was extremely helpful, and all my questions are now answered. XD 

I have to say that hearing you talk about your own experiences makes me feel pretty good about the idea of ever doing culinary school. I think the chance of me doing such a thing is worse than zero (ha!), but it's still nice to fantasize about, I guess. lol

Although you say that stuff can't really be messed up.. I've been known to mess up brownies from the box... so.... XD

How hard is it to memorize all that stuff or to develop a pallet?  Also, what will you teach us about next?
That was extremely helpful, and all my questions are now answered. XD 

I have to say that hearing you talk about your own experiences makes me feel pretty good about the idea of ever doing culinary school. I think the chance of me doing such a thing is worse than zero (ha!), but it's still nice to fantasize about, I guess. lol

Although you say that stuff can't really be messed up.. I've been known to mess up brownies from the box... so.... XD

How hard is it to memorize all that stuff or to develop a pallet?  Also, what will you teach us about next?
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A pallet is a hard thing to develop mostly due to it taking awhile. Honestly a pallet comes to you so try different things when you go out to eat if you see foie gras or truffles try them so that you will know that taste

Next up I will talk about garish but after that I want to do a day in the life. Since there are people who don't understand the cooks lifestyle. But I might just do something on steaks since summer is just coming upon us.
A pallet is a hard thing to develop mostly due to it taking awhile. Honestly a pallet comes to you so try different things when you go out to eat if you see foie gras or truffles try them so that you will know that taste

Next up I will talk about garish but after that I want to do a day in the life. Since there are people who don't understand the cooks lifestyle. But I might just do something on steaks since summer is just coming upon us.
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Because he can't post in this thread again, I'm going to copy/paste Fallman7's second article here:


Garnishes  

It has always been said “it is the little things that make things truly special.” This is a fact of life small changes and adding small details to the most superficial of things can have truly great outcomes. The same could be said when it comes to cooking.

Now, before I began writing this small article I was looking through a few of the cookbooks I own to discover an interesting topic for one to read. The obvious choice was to write about quick sauces. This would make my life easier, although it would be incredibly boring for all of you. And then it hit me garnish.

Garnish is the smallest and simplest aspect of a dish, almost to the point that it isn’t needed. So why is it there? By definition it is there to pull a dish together whether it be by texture, taste, color, or even smell. Garnish could give a final dish definition and complexity, and could be as simple as chopped parsley to complex foams or dusts.

Parsley and herb garnishes are simple enough that anyone could do them so I won’t take up space with it but a complex garnish which, foams and dusts are considered, take more work to make. Dust can be made in a variety of ways but, I suggest either grinding vegetables or fruit on a microplane or juicing the product and using the pulp left in the machine for dust (a very fine hand grater much finer than any normal cheese grater.). Next grab a glass or ceramic plate, plastic or paper plates will not work, take plastic wrap and stretch it tight on top of the plate with little to no wrinkles in the wrap. Take your ground product and place it on top of the plastic covered plate. Put the plate in the microwave for about one to two minutes on defrost. This dried product can be saved for up to a year. The question is though how do I use this? First grind in a spice grinder and sprinkle on top of the finished dish to add a bit of additional flavor. But if you need a bit more color I suggest using your dust as a garnish around the edge of the dish.

Now, Foams are a bit different. Foams fall in the area we culinarians call molecular gastronomy. This usually involves the use of chemicals. It is a subject that is very complex and will discuss in a latter article.

When it comes to garnish I have to stress its importance to home cooks. You see garnish is the third most important part of a dish with; stock and ingredient quality being number one and two respectively. I remember about 6 months ago I was working at this huge country club that was on its own island. The place was just massive and, the people that ate there were incredibly rich. Just one of the places that normal people just won’t be able to eat at. Now why do I bring this up? Well one of my responsibilities was to take care of garnish. Just basic stuff like make sure pint cups of gardener, chives, Maldon, lemon zest, orange zest, chives, and a few bottles or oils were up on the pass. Still why does this matter? Well the stuff had to be perfect if all my chives were not 1/16th of an inch exactly every time I had them thrown at me. Same with everything else if it wasn’t perfect I would have it handed to me or thrown at me and told do it again. Now why I always asked why no one would notice I didn’t so, why did it have to be done again? Well because garnish isn’t something you slap together like staff meal it is something you take care of like a piece of foie gras, you take care of it because that is the last ingredient that will be placed on the food before it goes out to the customer. It is about having pride in your dishes. Because at the end of the day when you cook you don’t make food you make art. And the art is in the details and that is what garnish is about. So I can only give you ideas but I suggest going crazy and trying something new. Because that is what cooking is about.  
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Garnishes  

It has always been said “it is the little things that make things truly special.” This is a fact of life small changes and adding small details to the most superficial of things can have truly great outcomes. The same could be said when it comes to cooking.

Now, before I began writing this small article I was looking through a few of the cookbooks I own to discover an interesting topic for one to read. The obvious choice was to write about quick sauces. This would make my life easier, although it would be incredibly boring for all of you. And then it hit me garnish.

Garnish is the smallest and simplest aspect of a dish, almost to the point that it isn’t needed. So why is it there? By definition it is there to pull a dish together whether it be by texture, taste, color, or even smell. Garnish could give a final dish definition and complexity, and could be as simple as chopped parsley to complex foams or dusts.

Parsley and herb garnishes are simple enough that anyone could do them so I won’t take up space with it but a complex garnish which, foams and dusts are considered, take more work to make. Dust can be made in a variety of ways but, I suggest either grinding vegetables or fruit on a microplane or juicing the product and using the pulp left in the machine for dust (a very fine hand grater much finer than any normal cheese grater.). Next grab a glass or ceramic plate, plastic or paper plates will not work, take plastic wrap and stretch it tight on top of the plate with little to no wrinkles in the wrap. Take your ground product and place it on top of the plastic covered plate. Put the plate in the microwave for about one to two minutes on defrost. This dried product can be saved for up to a year. The question is though how do I use this? First grind in a spice grinder and sprinkle on top of the finished dish to add a bit of additional flavor. But if you need a bit more color I suggest using your dust as a garnish around the edge of the dish.

Now, Foams are a bit different. Foams fall in the area we culinarians call molecular gastronomy. This usually involves the use of chemicals. It is a subject that is very complex and will discuss in a latter article.

When it comes to garnish I have to stress its importance to home cooks. You see garnish is the third most important part of a dish with; stock and ingredient quality being number one and two respectively. I remember about 6 months ago I was working at this huge country club that was on its own island. The place was just massive and, the people that ate there were incredibly rich. Just one of the places that normal people just won’t be able to eat at. Now why do I bring this up? Well one of my responsibilities was to take care of garnish. Just basic stuff like make sure pint cups of gardener, chives, Maldon, lemon zest, orange zest, chives, and a few bottles or oils were up on the pass. Still why does this matter? Well the stuff had to be perfect if all my chives were not 1/16th of an inch exactly every time I had them thrown at me. Same with everything else if it wasn’t perfect I would have it handed to me or thrown at me and told do it again. Now why I always asked why no one would notice I didn’t so, why did it have to be done again? Well because garnish isn’t something you slap together like staff meal it is something you take care of like a piece of foie gras, you take care of it because that is the last ingredient that will be placed on the food before it goes out to the customer. It is about having pride in your dishes. Because at the end of the day when you cook you don’t make food you make art. And the art is in the details and that is what garnish is about. So I can only give you ideas but I suggest going crazy and trying something new. Because that is what cooking is about.  
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