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We're going to have this vote on Sunday in Iraq. The libs are going to downplay it or denounce it, looking for imperfections and problems, which is why CBS has staked out the Sunni triangle, which is a small part of the nation. You know, we've had in the past, the nuclear holocaust fearmongers have given us the doomsday clock, remember that? They move it ever closer to midnight as, you know, something happened, wind farm wasn't built or something, as we got closer to nuclear destruction, as the pessimists dwelt on our eventual mass death. We need something here to counter, like a democracy clock or maybe a liberation clock, for the rest of us, because we're counting down the days and the hours now to the election in Iraq on Sunday.

We're four days away, and let me go through a little list of things, tell you what to watch for, what to expect and what to ignore. There will be an election and there will be a turnout. There will be acts of violence and there will be happy voters. The images of violence will upstage the happy images. You'll have to look long and hard to see happy images on television, at least in Al Jazeera and the American media. The most explosive acts of violence will likely take place closest to where the journalists are stationed, which is why CBS is in the Sunni triangle. There will be higher piles of Barbra Streisand attempted to turn triumph into disaster than Florida, Ohio, and Afghanistan combined. I'm just warning you what's going to happen here, folks. We know what's going to happen. There's going to be an election. It's going to go fine except everywhere in the U.S. media.

The Arab League, get this, will probably challenge the authenticity of the vote as if they know what the authenticity of any vote means or is. There will be postelection violence, giving the hope to the left and the New York Times that it might still fail. The violence will not take place just before and during the election, but afterwards, and this will give the media fodder for saying the whole thing was a botched effort, it didn't succeed. There will be reports of an exceedingly low turnout given expectations. Oh, woe is us, Bush has simply resulted, his policies, in getting more people killed. And then there will be a mad race on the left to come up with a phrase or a slogan that the media can rally around, sort of like Hillary's vast right-wing conspiracy or Kennedy's no imminent threat. Any focus group line that can keep the bad news-Democrats hoping, ladies and gentlemen. And there will not be a perfect democracy the day after the election, but the dominos are falling and some are going to fall in real time, some in slow motion, and all the spin in the world is not going to change that. Let's not forget, these are the same liberals who say that we've suffered too much casualties in Iraq. And, by the way, they say this not out of sympathy. No, no, they're not saying it out of sympathy, they're saying it for exploitation purposes. They said we would suffer far more casualties before we went to war. Remember that? If we were to say before the war that we would suffer 1,400 dead almost three years into the war, these same libs would have said no way. And if you doubt this, I did a little research today, and I only had time to find one story, but it is from November 12, 2002, from the Rocky Mountain News.
"Former Senator Gary Hart has joined those who have parted the veil to the future and foreseen the number of U.S. killed and wounded in a possible war with Iraq. Gary Hart's estimate, 5,000 to 10,000. Hart thus joins the growing list of both critics and supporters of President Bush's policy who have tossed prudence to the wind and offered casualty predictions. Conveniently, the estimates of Bush critics such as Hart tend to be on the high side, while those of supporters tend to be modeled upon casualties sustained during the first Gulf War and the rout in Afghanistan."
So 1,400 dead so far, Gary Hart among the leaders predicting 5,000 to 10,000, other members of the left, we're talking about body bags in even greater excess, and so if you go back and you look at the dire doom and gloom predictions of the opponents of this war before it started, the same predictions they made before the first Gulf War, 30 to 50,000 body bags they said we would need back then. They revised it downward to 5 to 10,000 for this Iraq war. We are at 1,400. If you had told them that the casualty rate would be 1,400, and the combat casualty rate would be far less than that, they would have pooh-poohed you and said no way.

You know, it is just incredible to watch. The doom-and-gloom crowd cannot stop itself. Here you have a major domino falling, a tremendous aspect and part of the president's vision will come to pass on Sunday and you can't find anything but negative reporting about it, either the factual stuff that's happening today, or the hope. There is absolute hope, you can read it between the lines in newspapers and you can hear it in the tone of electronic reporters, broadcast reporters, there is hope that this whole thing goes awry, blows up in people's faces. Not because they have any sympathy, ladies and gentlemen; because they seek to exploit it. Because the last thing the left in this country wants is a successful election in Iraq, because that will redound to George W. Bush and his program and his vision, they can't handle that. And of course it still amazes me that they've positioned themselves in such a way politically as to only benefit when things that America seems to accomplish fail. But that's your modern Democrat Party and its liberal wing.


Whew... Ok, that isn't supposed to offend anyone. Its just opinion. Whats you peoples opinions?
We're going to have this vote on Sunday in Iraq. The libs are going to downplay it or denounce it, looking for imperfections and problems, which is why CBS has staked out the Sunni triangle, which is a small part of the nation. You know, we've had in the past, the nuclear holocaust fearmongers have given us the doomsday clock, remember that? They move it ever closer to midnight as, you know, something happened, wind farm wasn't built or something, as we got closer to nuclear destruction, as the pessimists dwelt on our eventual mass death. We need something here to counter, like a democracy clock or maybe a liberation clock, for the rest of us, because we're counting down the days and the hours now to the election in Iraq on Sunday.

We're four days away, and let me go through a little list of things, tell you what to watch for, what to expect and what to ignore. There will be an election and there will be a turnout. There will be acts of violence and there will be happy voters. The images of violence will upstage the happy images. You'll have to look long and hard to see happy images on television, at least in Al Jazeera and the American media. The most explosive acts of violence will likely take place closest to where the journalists are stationed, which is why CBS is in the Sunni triangle. There will be higher piles of Barbra Streisand attempted to turn triumph into disaster than Florida, Ohio, and Afghanistan combined. I'm just warning you what's going to happen here, folks. We know what's going to happen. There's going to be an election. It's going to go fine except everywhere in the U.S. media.

The Arab League, get this, will probably challenge the authenticity of the vote as if they know what the authenticity of any vote means or is. There will be postelection violence, giving the hope to the left and the New York Times that it might still fail. The violence will not take place just before and during the election, but afterwards, and this will give the media fodder for saying the whole thing was a botched effort, it didn't succeed. There will be reports of an exceedingly low turnout given expectations. Oh, woe is us, Bush has simply resulted, his policies, in getting more people killed. And then there will be a mad race on the left to come up with a phrase or a slogan that the media can rally around, sort of like Hillary's vast right-wing conspiracy or Kennedy's no imminent threat. Any focus group line that can keep the bad news-Democrats hoping, ladies and gentlemen. And there will not be a perfect democracy the day after the election, but the dominos are falling and some are going to fall in real time, some in slow motion, and all the spin in the world is not going to change that. Let's not forget, these are the same liberals who say that we've suffered too much casualties in Iraq. And, by the way, they say this not out of sympathy. No, no, they're not saying it out of sympathy, they're saying it for exploitation purposes. They said we would suffer far more casualties before we went to war. Remember that? If we were to say before the war that we would suffer 1,400 dead almost three years into the war, these same libs would have said no way. And if you doubt this, I did a little research today, and I only had time to find one story, but it is from November 12, 2002, from the Rocky Mountain News.
"Former Senator Gary Hart has joined those who have parted the veil to the future and foreseen the number of U.S. killed and wounded in a possible war with Iraq. Gary Hart's estimate, 5,000 to 10,000. Hart thus joins the growing list of both critics and supporters of President Bush's policy who have tossed prudence to the wind and offered casualty predictions. Conveniently, the estimates of Bush critics such as Hart tend to be on the high side, while those of supporters tend to be modeled upon casualties sustained during the first Gulf War and the rout in Afghanistan."
So 1,400 dead so far, Gary Hart among the leaders predicting 5,000 to 10,000, other members of the left, we're talking about body bags in even greater excess, and so if you go back and you look at the dire doom and gloom predictions of the opponents of this war before it started, the same predictions they made before the first Gulf War, 30 to 50,000 body bags they said we would need back then. They revised it downward to 5 to 10,000 for this Iraq war. We are at 1,400. If you had told them that the casualty rate would be 1,400, and the combat casualty rate would be far less than that, they would have pooh-poohed you and said no way.

You know, it is just incredible to watch. The doom-and-gloom crowd cannot stop itself. Here you have a major domino falling, a tremendous aspect and part of the president's vision will come to pass on Sunday and you can't find anything but negative reporting about it, either the factual stuff that's happening today, or the hope. There is absolute hope, you can read it between the lines in newspapers and you can hear it in the tone of electronic reporters, broadcast reporters, there is hope that this whole thing goes awry, blows up in people's faces. Not because they have any sympathy, ladies and gentlemen; because they seek to exploit it. Because the last thing the left in this country wants is a successful election in Iraq, because that will redound to George W. Bush and his program and his vision, they can't handle that. And of course it still amazes me that they've positioned themselves in such a way politically as to only benefit when things that America seems to accomplish fail. But that's your modern Democrat Party and its liberal wing.


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I don't have an opinion; it isn't my affair. It's Iraq's affair.
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After all that? Thats what you have to say?
After all that? Thats what you have to say?
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I'm looking forward to it.... a country that has been under a dictator for 25+ years.... is about to have an election, and a real one at that....

it's a big step forward for the middle east...

and maybe once the government is in place, the US can finally leave Iraq.... and move on to something else...
I'm looking forward to it.... a country that has been under a dictator for 25+ years.... is about to have an election, and a real one at that....

it's a big step forward for the middle east...

and maybe once the government is in place, the US can finally leave Iraq.... and move on to something else...
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Yea, i hope it stabalized like afganistan did after the election. Cuz i really don't want to get taped to go when i am just going into college
Yea, i hope it stabalized like afganistan did after the election. Cuz i really don't want to get taped to go when i am just going into college
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I hope the election goes well, and there aren't any attacks. It is vital that the people they pick set the governent up right.
I hope the election goes well, and there aren't any attacks. It is vital that the people they pick set the governent up right.
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There prolly wont be many during it.... more will happen after. So the media will say nothing has changed.
There prolly wont be many during it.... more will happen after. So the media will say nothing has changed.
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If anything is going to happen I think it will be during or before, to scare people away.
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yeah, there has been a lot of talk (that I have heard) that the militants are going to try and hit the poling stations as hard as they can to prevent the election from occuring...

after the election is over however, I think it will stabalize considerably....

not saying it will completely... but there is a difference between fighting your own elected government, and fighting the Coalition "invasion"
yeah, there has been a lot of talk (that I have heard) that the militants are going to try and hit the poling stations as hard as they can to prevent the election from occuring...

after the election is over however, I think it will stabalize considerably....

not saying it will completely... but there is a difference between fighting your own elected government, and fighting the Coalition "invasion"
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Yeah that makes sense. Like you said I think it will stablize a bit afterwords.
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Afganistan totally stabalized after the election. Because they knew we were not s***ting around. They knew we were serrious about it.
Afganistan totally stabalized after the election. Because they knew we were not s***ting around. They knew we were serrious about it.
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That is more or less what we have said. But let's hope there are not attacks period.
That is more or less what we have said. But let's hope there are not attacks period.
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Um John, Afghanistan was never that UNstable. Not nearly to the scale that Iraq is unstable today.

I don't see how you think the election will stabalize the country. The election blocked out 40% of the populations (Sunnis) who have been in power for over 35 years, basically handing the election to the Shiias. You can bet that the Shiias will be eager to get back at the Sunnis for the years of Kurdish oppression. If there is not a full scale civil war (which I believe is very likely), then if anything the violence will increase.
Um John, Afghanistan was never that UNstable. Not nearly to the scale that Iraq is unstable today.

I don't see how you think the election will stabalize the country. The election blocked out 40% of the populations (Sunnis) who have been in power for over 35 years, basically handing the election to the Shiias. You can bet that the Shiias will be eager to get back at the Sunnis for the years of Kurdish oppression. If there is not a full scale civil war (which I believe is very likely), then if anything the violence will increase.
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Hehe.... oh nasus if you could only see the election now
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145825,00.html
I think they had a higher percentage vote then our own country
Hehe.... oh nasus if you could only see the election now
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145825,00.html
I think they had a higher percentage vote then our own country
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Yeah I heard that earlier this morning. It is going to be interesting. That much is sure.
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"an official later said an estimated eight million Iraqis — or 60 percent of eligible voters — turned out to vote."

that's from your article, John, which makes Nasus' post still valid. And I agree with Nasus... this being in Iraq thing is far from over...
"an official later said an estimated eight million Iraqis — or 60 percent of eligible voters — turned out to vote."

that's from your article, John, which makes Nasus' post still valid. And I agree with Nasus... this being in Iraq thing is far from over...
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Nasus: what country, once it gained freedom from a tyrant, or monarch, hasn't had a bloody civil war or had to fight to remove the tyrant?

there probably isn't one that you can name...

so, yeah, there will be violence... there always is when democracy is introduced.... but in the end the country will stabalize and begin to run normally....
Nasus: what country, once it gained freedom from a tyrant, or monarch, hasn't had a bloody civil war or had to fight to remove the tyrant?

there probably isn't one that you can name...

so, yeah, there will be violence... there always is when democracy is introduced.... but in the end the country will stabalize and begin to run normally....
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There is almost violence anywhere you go whether it be democratic or not.
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Its an estimate.... wait for the official stuff
Its an estimate.... wait for the official stuff
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I heard 70% of voters....voted...

I think that includes everyone eligible outside of Iraq as well....
I heard 70% of voters....voted...

I think that includes everyone eligible outside of Iraq as well....
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