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Not trying to make anyone angry or anything like that. Hell, I don't even think I'm going to argue about it with you. lol. Just thought that it was really interesting, from a third person point of view, from one who doesn't believe in the ancient gods, nor the Christian God. I believe it is from a book titled: The Biggest Secret by David Icke.

Concerning the "Christ."

To understand the ancient Sun symbolism is to understand the major religions. In the ancient world they used one particular symbol, a zodiac circle, for the Sun’s journey through the year. As we will see in a later chapter, this is still a fundamental symbol used by the Babylonian Brotherhood. It symbolised both the Phoenician depictions of Barati and was on the shield of her British expression, Britannia. The ancients took the circle of the zodiac (a Greek word meaning animal circle) and inserted a cross to mark the four seasons. At the centre of the cross, they placed the Sun. So many of the pre-Christian deities were said to have been born on December 25th because of this symbolism. On December 2lst-22nd, you have the winter solstice when, in the northern hemisphere, the Sun is at the lowest point of its power in the annual cycle. The Sun, the ancients said, had symbolically ‘died’. By December 25th, the Sun had demonstrably begun its symbolic journey back to the summer and the peak of its power. The ancients, therefore, said that the Sun was ‘born’ on December 25th. The Christian Christmas is merely a renamed Pagan festival, as indeed are all Christian festivals. Easter is another. About March 25th, the old fixed date for Easter, the Sun enters the astrological sign of Aries the ram or the lamb. At this time the ancients used to sacrifice lambs because they believed this would appease the gods, most notably the Sun god, and ensure abundant harvests. In other words they believed that the blood of the lamb would mean that their sins would be forgiven.


To the orthodox Christian, Jesus is the only begotten 'Son of God' who died so our sins could be forgiven. But you will find exactly the same claims for a stream of ‘gods’ in the ancient world long before the name of ‘Jesus’ was even heard of. Indeed, we know his name wasn’t Jesus because that’s a Greek translation of a Hebrew name. The term Son of God would seem to originate at least as far back as the Aryan Gothic kings of Cilicia who took the title ‘Son of the Sun God’, a tradition adopted by the Pharaohs of Egypt.1 To many in the New Age, Jesus is Sananda, a high initiate of some spiritual hierarchy who incarnated to infuse the Earth with the ‘Christ’ energy. Or, depending on who you talk to, he was an extraterrestrial on a similar mission. To others he was claiming to be the King of the ‘Jews’ by right of his King David bloodline. But did Jesus actually exist? Did Moses, Solomon and King David exist? I would say categorically no. There is no credible evidence for the existence of any of them outside the biblical texts and they are certainly not credible.


OK, a little quiz. Who am I talking about?

He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill him. His parents had to flee to safety. All male children under the age of two were slain by the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was
given gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was worshipped as the saviour of men and led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles which included healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, casting out devils and raising the dead. He was put to death on the cross between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to heaven.21

Sounds exactly like Jesus doesn’t it? But it’s not. That is how they described the Eastern saviour god known as Virishna 1,200 years before Jesus is claimed to have been born. If you want a saviour god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient world because there are a stream of them, all originating with the Aryan race that came out of the Near East and the Caucasus Mountains. Here are just some of the ‘Son of God’ heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of:

Khrishna of Hindostan;
Buddha Sakia of India;
Salivahana of Bermuda;
Osiris and Horus of Egypt;
Odin of Scandinavia;
Crite of Chaldea;
Zoroaster of Persia;
Baal and Taut of Phoenicia;
Indra of Tibet;
Bali of Afghanistan;
Jao of Nepal;
Wittoba of Bilingonese;
Tammuz of Syria and Babylon;
Attis of Phrygia;
Xamolxis of Thrace;
Zoar of the Bonzes;
Adad of Assyria;
Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam;
Alcides of Thebes;
Mikado of the Sintoos;
Beddru of Japan;
Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillahm, of the Druids;
Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls;
Cadmus of Greece;
Hil and Feta of Mandaites;
Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico;
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls;
Ischy of Formosa;
Divine Teacher of Plato;
Holy One of Xaca;
Fohi and Tien of China;
Adonis, son of virgin lo, of Greece;
Ixion and Quirinus of Rome;
Prometheus of the Caucasus;
and Mohammed or Mahomet, of Arabia.22

All but a few of those ‘sons of God’ or ‘prophets’, and the mind-prison religions founded in their names, come from the very lands occupied or influenced by peoples emerging from the Near East and the Caucasus. The lands of the Aryans. Other ‘sons of God’ included Mithra or Mithras, the pre-Christian Roman-Persian god, and in Greece and Asia Minor they had Dionysus and Bacchus. These were sons of God who died so our sins could be forgiven, born of a virgin mother, and their birthdays were on... December 25th! Mithra was crucified, but raised from the dead on March 25th - Easter! Mithran initiations took place in caves adorned with the signs of Capricorn and Cancer, symbolic of the winter and summer solstices, the high and low points of the Sun. Mithra was often portrayed as a winged lion, a symbol for the Sun still used by the secret societies today. References to the lion and the ‘grip of the lion’s paw’ in the Master Mason Degree of Freemasonry originate with this same stream of mystery school symbolism. Initiates into the rites of Mithra were called lions and were marked on their foreheads with the Egyptian cross. The first degree initiates had a golden crown placed on their heads, representing their spiritual self, and this crown, symbolising the rays of the sun, can be found on the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbour. All these rituals went back thousands of years to Babylon and the stories of Nimrod, Queen Semiramis, and Tammuz, their version of Jesus. Mithra was said to be the son (Sun) of god who died to save humanity and give them eternal life. One classic symbol of Mithra was as a lion with a snake curled around his body, while he holds the keys to heaven. This is more Nimrod symbolism and the origin of the story of St Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 disciples, holding the keys to heaven. Peter was the name of the High Priest in the Babylon mystery school. After an initiate of the Mithran cult had completed the ritual, the members had a meal of bread and wine in which they believed they were eating the flesh of Mithra and drinking his blood. Mithra, like a long list of pre-Christian gods, was said to have been visited by wise men at his birth who brought him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. The same was said by Plato of his teacher, Socrates, in ancient Greece. Christianity is a Pagan sun religion, the worship of which is condemned by Christianity! It is also an astrology religion, the ‘evil’ of which is condemned by Christianity, not least by the Pope! Beam me up Scotty, it’s mad down here.


Now this is the real kicker right here. Jesus isn't actually Jesus, he's Jesus 2.0. Well, then, who is Jesus 1.0 Beta, you ask? None other than the Egyptian god, Horus.

Jesus was the Light of the World. Horus was the Light of the World.
Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the life. Horus said he was the truth, the life.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the "house of bread". Horus was born in Annu, the "place of bread".
Jesus was the Good Shepherd. Horus was the Good Shepherd.
Seven fishers board a boat with Jesus. Seven people board a boat with Horus.
Jesus was the lamb. Horus was the lamb.
Jesus is identified with a cross. Horus is identified with a cross.
Jesus was baptised at 30. Horus was baptised at 30.
Jesus was the child of a virgin, Mary. Horus was the child of a virgin, Isis.
The birth of Jesus was marked by a star. The birth of Horus was marked by a star.
Jesus was the child teacher in the temple. Horus was the child teacher in the temple.
Jesus had 12 disciples. Horus had 12 followers.
Jesus was the Morning Star. Horus was the Morning Star.
Jesus was the Christ. Horus was the Krst.
Jesus was tempted on a mountain by Satan. Horus was tempted on a mountain by Set.23

The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of God’s ‘Sun’... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolise the ‘one true god’ thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept.25 They also symbolised the one true god, the Sun, with the ‘one true cross’ 26 The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that’s exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th centurv BC (see Figure 14). The Sun was at the heart of the Egyptian religion and at noon when the Sun was at the peak of its daily ‘journey’, they prayed to the ‘Most High’. At this time, they said the Sun was going about his father’s work in the temple. The virgin mothers associated with all of these Sun gods were different names for Queen Semiramis and Ninkharsag, also known as Isis, the Egyptian symbol of the female creative force without which nothing, not even the Sun, could exist. Over time, names for what had once symbolised extraterrestrial ‘gods’ became used to describe concepts and esoteric principles. Different eras and cultures gave different names to these same concepts and so in the Gospels, Horus became
Jesus and Isis became Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, the Sun. Mary is constantly pictured holding the baby Jesus, but this is merely a repeat of all the Egyptian portrayals of Isis holding the baby Horus. Isis became associated with the astrological sign of Virgo the virgin, as did Mary. The titles given to Isis of ‘Star of the Sea’ and ‘Queen of Heaven’ were also given to Mary and they both originate from Queen Semiramis, who was called the Queen of Heaven in Babylon. Christianity and Judaism are both the religion of Babylon. These people did not actually exist, they are symbolic, and nothing more.


The symbol of the fish is a theme throughout the Gospel stories and this is symbolic of Nimrod/Tammuz, the father-son, of Babylon. Another reason for Jesus as a fish could be the astrological sign of Pisces, the fishes. Around the time Jesus was supposed to have been born, the Earth was entering the astrological house of Pisces. A new age was being born and Jesus the fish could have been a symbol of the age of Pisces. We are now entering another new age, the age of Aquarius, according to the laws of the ‘Earth wobble’ precession. When the Bible talks of the end of the world, this is another mistranslation. They translate ‘world’ from the Greek, ‘aeon’, but aeon does not mean world, it means ‘age’.31 We are not facing the end of the world, but the end of the age, the 2,160 years of Pisces. You know what this means, right? That the apocalypse many Christians have come to expect, will not contain a rapture.

Christianity did not replace the Pagan religions, it is a Pagan religion. The Persians, who inherited their beliefs from Sumer, Egypt and Babylon, had baptism, confirmation, paradise and hell, angels of light and darkness, and a fallen angel. All of these were absorbed by Christianity and claimed for their own.

All we have are the Levite texts and the Gospel stories in their various versions. So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable. More than 40 writers are known to have chronicled the events of these lands during the alleged time of Jesus, but they don’t mention him.48 A guy who did all the things that he was supposed to have done and no-one records it? Philo lived throughout the supposed life of Jesus and wrote a history of the Judeans which covered the whole of this period. He even lived in or near Jerusalem when Jesus was said to have been born and Herod was supposed to have killed the children, yet he doesn’t record any of this. He was there when Jesus is said to have made his triumphant arrival in Jerusalem and when he was crucified and rose from the dead on the third day. What does Philo say about these fantastic events? Nothing. Not a syllable. Not a titter.49 None of this is mentioned in any Roman record or in the contemporary accounts of the writers of Greece and Alexandria who were familiar with what happened there.50 Why? Because it didn’t happen. It was a symbolic, coded story to pass on esoteric and astrological knowledge of many kinds and, most crucially, to create another prison- religion based on the symbols of the Babylonian Brotherhood. The human race has been had. Big time.
Not trying to make anyone angry or anything like that. Hell, I don't even think I'm going to argue about it with you. lol. Just thought that it was really interesting, from a third person point of view, from one who doesn't believe in the ancient gods, nor the Christian God. I believe it is from a book titled: The Biggest Secret by David Icke.

Concerning the "Christ."

To understand the ancient Sun symbolism is to understand the major religions. In the ancient world they used one particular symbol, a zodiac circle, for the Sun’s journey through the year. As we will see in a later chapter, this is still a fundamental symbol used by the Babylonian Brotherhood. It symbolised both the Phoenician depictions of Barati and was on the shield of her British expression, Britannia. The ancients took the circle of the zodiac (a Greek word meaning animal circle) and inserted a cross to mark the four seasons. At the centre of the cross, they placed the Sun. So many of the pre-Christian deities were said to have been born on December 25th because of this symbolism. On December 2lst-22nd, you have the winter solstice when, in the northern hemisphere, the Sun is at the lowest point of its power in the annual cycle. The Sun, the ancients said, had symbolically ‘died’. By December 25th, the Sun had demonstrably begun its symbolic journey back to the summer and the peak of its power. The ancients, therefore, said that the Sun was ‘born’ on December 25th. The Christian Christmas is merely a renamed Pagan festival, as indeed are all Christian festivals. Easter is another. About March 25th, the old fixed date for Easter, the Sun enters the astrological sign of Aries the ram or the lamb. At this time the ancients used to sacrifice lambs because they believed this would appease the gods, most notably the Sun god, and ensure abundant harvests. In other words they believed that the blood of the lamb would mean that their sins would be forgiven.


To the orthodox Christian, Jesus is the only begotten 'Son of God' who died so our sins could be forgiven. But you will find exactly the same claims for a stream of ‘gods’ in the ancient world long before the name of ‘Jesus’ was even heard of. Indeed, we know his name wasn’t Jesus because that’s a Greek translation of a Hebrew name. The term Son of God would seem to originate at least as far back as the Aryan Gothic kings of Cilicia who took the title ‘Son of the Sun God’, a tradition adopted by the Pharaohs of Egypt.1 To many in the New Age, Jesus is Sananda, a high initiate of some spiritual hierarchy who incarnated to infuse the Earth with the ‘Christ’ energy. Or, depending on who you talk to, he was an extraterrestrial on a similar mission. To others he was claiming to be the King of the ‘Jews’ by right of his King David bloodline. But did Jesus actually exist? Did Moses, Solomon and King David exist? I would say categorically no. There is no credible evidence for the existence of any of them outside the biblical texts and they are certainly not credible.


OK, a little quiz. Who am I talking about?

He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill him. His parents had to flee to safety. All male children under the age of two were slain by the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was
given gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was worshipped as the saviour of men and led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles which included healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, casting out devils and raising the dead. He was put to death on the cross between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to heaven.21

Sounds exactly like Jesus doesn’t it? But it’s not. That is how they described the Eastern saviour god known as Virishna 1,200 years before Jesus is claimed to have been born. If you want a saviour god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient world because there are a stream of them, all originating with the Aryan race that came out of the Near East and the Caucasus Mountains. Here are just some of the ‘Son of God’ heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of:

Khrishna of Hindostan;
Buddha Sakia of India;
Salivahana of Bermuda;
Osiris and Horus of Egypt;
Odin of Scandinavia;
Crite of Chaldea;
Zoroaster of Persia;
Baal and Taut of Phoenicia;
Indra of Tibet;
Bali of Afghanistan;
Jao of Nepal;
Wittoba of Bilingonese;
Tammuz of Syria and Babylon;
Attis of Phrygia;
Xamolxis of Thrace;
Zoar of the Bonzes;
Adad of Assyria;
Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam;
Alcides of Thebes;
Mikado of the Sintoos;
Beddru of Japan;
Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillahm, of the Druids;
Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls;
Cadmus of Greece;
Hil and Feta of Mandaites;
Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico;
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls;
Ischy of Formosa;
Divine Teacher of Plato;
Holy One of Xaca;
Fohi and Tien of China;
Adonis, son of virgin lo, of Greece;
Ixion and Quirinus of Rome;
Prometheus of the Caucasus;
and Mohammed or Mahomet, of Arabia.22

All but a few of those ‘sons of God’ or ‘prophets’, and the mind-prison religions founded in their names, come from the very lands occupied or influenced by peoples emerging from the Near East and the Caucasus. The lands of the Aryans. Other ‘sons of God’ included Mithra or Mithras, the pre-Christian Roman-Persian god, and in Greece and Asia Minor they had Dionysus and Bacchus. These were sons of God who died so our sins could be forgiven, born of a virgin mother, and their birthdays were on... December 25th! Mithra was crucified, but raised from the dead on March 25th - Easter! Mithran initiations took place in caves adorned with the signs of Capricorn and Cancer, symbolic of the winter and summer solstices, the high and low points of the Sun. Mithra was often portrayed as a winged lion, a symbol for the Sun still used by the secret societies today. References to the lion and the ‘grip of the lion’s paw’ in the Master Mason Degree of Freemasonry originate with this same stream of mystery school symbolism. Initiates into the rites of Mithra were called lions and were marked on their foreheads with the Egyptian cross. The first degree initiates had a golden crown placed on their heads, representing their spiritual self, and this crown, symbolising the rays of the sun, can be found on the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbour. All these rituals went back thousands of years to Babylon and the stories of Nimrod, Queen Semiramis, and Tammuz, their version of Jesus. Mithra was said to be the son (Sun) of god who died to save humanity and give them eternal life. One classic symbol of Mithra was as a lion with a snake curled around his body, while he holds the keys to heaven. This is more Nimrod symbolism and the origin of the story of St Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 disciples, holding the keys to heaven. Peter was the name of the High Priest in the Babylon mystery school. After an initiate of the Mithran cult had completed the ritual, the members had a meal of bread and wine in which they believed they were eating the flesh of Mithra and drinking his blood. Mithra, like a long list of pre-Christian gods, was said to have been visited by wise men at his birth who brought him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. The same was said by Plato of his teacher, Socrates, in ancient Greece. Christianity is a Pagan sun religion, the worship of which is condemned by Christianity! It is also an astrology religion, the ‘evil’ of which is condemned by Christianity, not least by the Pope! Beam me up Scotty, it’s mad down here.


Now this is the real kicker right here. Jesus isn't actually Jesus, he's Jesus 2.0. Well, then, who is Jesus 1.0 Beta, you ask? None other than the Egyptian god, Horus.

Jesus was the Light of the World. Horus was the Light of the World.
Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the life. Horus said he was the truth, the life.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the "house of bread". Horus was born in Annu, the "place of bread".
Jesus was the Good Shepherd. Horus was the Good Shepherd.
Seven fishers board a boat with Jesus. Seven people board a boat with Horus.
Jesus was the lamb. Horus was the lamb.
Jesus is identified with a cross. Horus is identified with a cross.
Jesus was baptised at 30. Horus was baptised at 30.
Jesus was the child of a virgin, Mary. Horus was the child of a virgin, Isis.
The birth of Jesus was marked by a star. The birth of Horus was marked by a star.
Jesus was the child teacher in the temple. Horus was the child teacher in the temple.
Jesus had 12 disciples. Horus had 12 followers.
Jesus was the Morning Star. Horus was the Morning Star.
Jesus was the Christ. Horus was the Krst.
Jesus was tempted on a mountain by Satan. Horus was tempted on a mountain by Set.23

The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of God’s ‘Sun’... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolise the ‘one true god’ thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept.25 They also symbolised the one true god, the Sun, with the ‘one true cross’ 26 The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that’s exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th centurv BC (see Figure 14). The Sun was at the heart of the Egyptian religion and at noon when the Sun was at the peak of its daily ‘journey’, they prayed to the ‘Most High’. At this time, they said the Sun was going about his father’s work in the temple. The virgin mothers associated with all of these Sun gods were different names for Queen Semiramis and Ninkharsag, also known as Isis, the Egyptian symbol of the female creative force without which nothing, not even the Sun, could exist. Over time, names for what had once symbolised extraterrestrial ‘gods’ became used to describe concepts and esoteric principles. Different eras and cultures gave different names to these same concepts and so in the Gospels, Horus became
Jesus and Isis became Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, the Sun. Mary is constantly pictured holding the baby Jesus, but this is merely a repeat of all the Egyptian portrayals of Isis holding the baby Horus. Isis became associated with the astrological sign of Virgo the virgin, as did Mary. The titles given to Isis of ‘Star of the Sea’ and ‘Queen of Heaven’ were also given to Mary and they both originate from Queen Semiramis, who was called the Queen of Heaven in Babylon. Christianity and Judaism are both the religion of Babylon. These people did not actually exist, they are symbolic, and nothing more.


The symbol of the fish is a theme throughout the Gospel stories and this is symbolic of Nimrod/Tammuz, the father-son, of Babylon. Another reason for Jesus as a fish could be the astrological sign of Pisces, the fishes. Around the time Jesus was supposed to have been born, the Earth was entering the astrological house of Pisces. A new age was being born and Jesus the fish could have been a symbol of the age of Pisces. We are now entering another new age, the age of Aquarius, according to the laws of the ‘Earth wobble’ precession. When the Bible talks of the end of the world, this is another mistranslation. They translate ‘world’ from the Greek, ‘aeon’, but aeon does not mean world, it means ‘age’.31 We are not facing the end of the world, but the end of the age, the 2,160 years of Pisces. You know what this means, right? That the apocalypse many Christians have come to expect, will not contain a rapture.

Christianity did not replace the Pagan religions, it is a Pagan religion. The Persians, who inherited their beliefs from Sumer, Egypt and Babylon, had baptism, confirmation, paradise and hell, angels of light and darkness, and a fallen angel. All of these were absorbed by Christianity and claimed for their own.

All we have are the Levite texts and the Gospel stories in their various versions. So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable. More than 40 writers are known to have chronicled the events of these lands during the alleged time of Jesus, but they don’t mention him.48 A guy who did all the things that he was supposed to have done and no-one records it? Philo lived throughout the supposed life of Jesus and wrote a history of the Judeans which covered the whole of this period. He even lived in or near Jerusalem when Jesus was said to have been born and Herod was supposed to have killed the children, yet he doesn’t record any of this. He was there when Jesus is said to have made his triumphant arrival in Jerusalem and when he was crucified and rose from the dead on the third day. What does Philo say about these fantastic events? Nothing. Not a syllable. Not a titter.49 None of this is mentioned in any Roman record or in the contemporary accounts of the writers of Greece and Alexandria who were familiar with what happened there.50 Why? Because it didn’t happen. It was a symbolic, coded story to pass on esoteric and astrological knowledge of many kinds and, most crucially, to create another prison- religion based on the symbols of the Babylonian Brotherhood. The human race has been had. Big time.
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well, just for the record...

I don't believe in the Constantine Jesus .... that's not the real Jesus.... so, in a lot of ways, I would agree that the Jesus we know now is not the person that lived...

but, I won't agree that just because there are accounts of other people in other similar situations that it means anything

it is interesting though.... gotta love how Constantine paganized Christianity
well, just for the record...

I don't believe in the Constantine Jesus .... that's not the real Jesus.... so, in a lot of ways, I would agree that the Jesus we know now is not the person that lived...

but, I won't agree that just because there are accounts of other people in other similar situations that it means anything

it is interesting though.... gotta love how Constantine paganized Christianity
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That was a very interesting piece, and he clearly did his research on that. He even mentions the histories and records of the times, and that is crucial. There is one thing to say about the Roman Empire, they took down damn good records, as did Philio.

What I find interesting is that when you point these things out to Christian zealots they blow up on you and get so mad that it is scary... of course I can understand, since they are basically facing their world crumbling beneath them.
That was a very interesting piece, and he clearly did his research on that. He even mentions the histories and records of the times, and that is crucial. There is one thing to say about the Roman Empire, they took down damn good records, as did Philio.

What I find interesting is that when you point these things out to Christian zealots they blow up on you and get so mad that it is scary... of course I can understand, since they are basically facing their world crumbling beneath them.
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see, the way I look at things, is that there was only ever one religion.... and what we have today in general is a perverted form of the original "true" religion. The one that God/the Gods wanted us to have.

Different groups did different things. Jews/Christians/Muslims had patriarichal societies and therefore tended to the One Supreme male God.

Others had more mystical aspects. Others were more nature focused. Others had many Gods. Others focused on the Godesses.

I don't see why there isn't truth in all. And in fact, I think that the only way to find a true religion is to have parts of each religion incorporated. Not everything mind you.... but definately parts of each in order to truly be worthwhile.
see, the way I look at things, is that there was only ever one religion.... and what we have today in general is a perverted form of the original "true" religion. The one that God/the Gods wanted us to have.

Different groups did different things. Jews/Christians/Muslims had patriarichal societies and therefore tended to the One Supreme male God.

Others had more mystical aspects. Others were more nature focused. Others had many Gods. Others focused on the Godesses.

I don't see why there isn't truth in all. And in fact, I think that the only way to find a true religion is to have parts of each religion incorporated. Not everything mind you.... but definately parts of each in order to truly be worthwhile.
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I actually agree with you there geeogree. I just wish that the rest of the world would realize that as well.
I actually agree with you there geeogree. I just wish that the rest of the world would realize that as well.
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well, I've found that many find a religion that works for them.... and they don't ever consider, once they have found this new religion, that instead of increasing in knowledge about spiritual things they stay in a rut (not saying religion is a rut.... but not increasing your knowledge is)

I'm not saying the religion I prescribe to has all the answers, or that all others are totally wrong. I don't find myself conversing with trees.... and I don't expect to see anyone that is Jewish to go pray in a Mosque. But it is the ignorance that many people enjoy about religion that bothers me. They aren't willing to learn and to tolerate. I admit I fall into the trap sometimes of shrugging off other religions because they aren't mind and therefore couldn't give me anything of worth.
well, I've found that many find a religion that works for them.... and they don't ever consider, once they have found this new religion, that instead of increasing in knowledge about spiritual things they stay in a rut (not saying religion is a rut.... but not increasing your knowledge is)

I'm not saying the religion I prescribe to has all the answers, or that all others are totally wrong. I don't find myself conversing with trees.... and I don't expect to see anyone that is Jewish to go pray in a Mosque. But it is the ignorance that many people enjoy about religion that bothers me. They aren't willing to learn and to tolerate. I admit I fall into the trap sometimes of shrugging off other religions because they aren't mind and therefore couldn't give me anything of worth.
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