Boy oh boy, I'm gonna have fun with this.

Originally posted by John

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Nasus, Nasus, Nasus. You are missing the points here.

1. The more environmental laws created the more money a company has to spend to keep up to date. Some can't afford all of our laws and keep a-float. This is why the send jobs over seas. It’s not bush's fault. Its you, liberal lawmaker’s faults.

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That is about the stupidest thing I'd heard since, well, later in your post. When the federal government signs a new environmental regulation into law they always ALWAYS financially help the companies affected by it get up to date. There is absolutely zero basis to blaming environmental laws to outsourcing. Don't worry, you'll figure this out eventually.

Originally posted by John

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2. You can’t fight a war and make money. You can’t have a 9/11, a Mr. Saddam Hussein, a mad Taliban on the loose, and global terrorism and make money.

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A 9/11 that could easily have been prevented by just following the instructions that Richard Clarke has given. An Iraq war that could have easily been prevented by glancing at any facts at all. Global terrorism my ass. We've only been fighting terrorism that involves US.

I think what you mean to say is "You can't approve every spending bill, no matter how pointless or menial, that comes before you, you're not going to make money"

Originally posted by John

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3. And onto the taxes. It’s because he is making the taxes fair you dips***(sorry about the flamming). I don’t think it’s very fair that some people have to pay 40% of their check to taxes. Mr. Liberal I have a question. I thought you wanted every thing fair? Or were you just lying.... again

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Wow. Just wow. You know, I'd feel a lot more sympathetic if you could provide some evidence of being legally mentally retarded. Bush's tax cuts did not affect the income tax at in the slightest. People still pay the same amount, only to get an average of $300 of it back. Wowee, maybe I'll be able to spend that money to pay for about 5 seconds my son's chemo, because I don't have any health insurance! I think just about anyone you could would ask, if given the choice, would choose health insurance for their families over $300 dollar tax relief anually.

Originally posted by John

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4. There are many bogus lawsuits like: McDonalds made me fat, I didn't know that in my RV I couldn't put it on cruise control and go and make a cup of coffee, I didn't know the coffee was hot, and other crap like that. Businesses can't afford to deal with many of these. This is why there was a flu vaccine 'shortage'.

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See my reaction at the response to "point" 3. I'm afraid you're misinformed again John. The reason we have a flu vaccine shortage is because the Federal government chose the cheapest company it could find. If, instead, it cared about the health of the American people instead of demolishing the remaining buildings in Iraq, we wouldnt be having this problem.

Originally posted by John

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5. Here you have it. The country was slipping into a recession at the end of Clinton’s term. Then 9/11 happened and stuff hit the s***ter. But bush helped it bounce back and it is improving to this day. I would expect the economy to be doing great in another 4 years.

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The country was not "slipping" into a recession at the end of Clinton's term. Consumer confidence was down because the rabid Right had the country believing that we were under the rule of a crazed pedophile who was driving us straight to implosion.

Now moving on to Bush suddenly becoming economically minded. I seriously would doubt it. With a 200 billion dollar war to pay for as well as No Child Left Behind, a ballooning military budget, and hundreds of other new unneccesary and self-serving government programs to pay for, the American people better enjoy their $300 dolllars while they can.

Its pointless talking to you... your like a brickwall. You deny facts and support lies. Maybe i should just have stoped where i began. You absorbed none of what i haved said. Then you deny MY FACT. Serriously Nasus do you think i am that stupid or something? I mean come on. Its pathetic how you say stuff that isn't true then deny my fact. Your not a debater... your a haggler. Haggle with lies til you get what you want. I shoulda seen this one coming.

Originally posted by John

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You deny facts

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Originally posted by John

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Then you deny MY FACT.

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Originally posted by John

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then deny my fact.

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George Bush said the phrase "Hard Work" 12 times during the First Presidential Debate. (http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html, for the more finicky source-demanders). Anyone noticing a pattern here?

John it is not I who is haggling. You have yet to produce a single statistic relevant to your cause. Then you accuse me of haggling? Despicable.

I put up points upon points and you deny (once again) FACTS

I did not say "point" or "fact" I said statistic. Statistics involve NUMBERS that prove something.

You can use statistics to try to proove anything. Facts are facts... pretty self-explaintory

And, your "Facts" are wrong. Nasus knows what he's talking about, you obviously don't. Your seeing Bush through Rainbow Glasses, "man".

Bush helped the country bounce back after 9/11? All he did was make more countries hate the states, and make the rich Americans wealthy. You just can't accept the truth. You know what the US troops are looking like right now? They're looking like what thy are supposedly fighting. Terrorists. Bombing cities, arresting and killing people that have NOTHING to do with any Terrorists, invading a country based on lies and profits...and getting people to support this bad cuase by using what you despise John, PROPAGANDA.

The Politician, thank you for basically saying what I didn't have the balls to say.

George Bush is a terrorist using propaganda and lies gain approval ratings.. it's sad.

I read the book Animal Farm by George Orwell again. Just finished it last night. Man, its so damn similar to whats going on, its eerie.

*applaudes The Politician*

Thank you, you said that beautifully! I watched Bush on TV after it all happened, and I saw it all coming and sat there calling it propaganda, but because it was "unpatriotic" to criticise the president at that time for being an idiot people stayed silent as he raped us of our freedoms and threw us into a hopeless war that even his father said we could not win.

The question now is..........Who does he fight next or who do we fight next or who the US fights next, I bet 500 V's he declares war on Russia!

It's pretty clear Iran is our next target..

We're going in alphabetical order and George Bush can't spell..

You care to bet on that? Looks like the polls are 50/50 its a close one!

Hmm, George W Bush isn't exactly the most mentally stable person in the world so I won't be betting on his actions any time soon.

I won't say much on the subject except, bush is exactly what our country needs right now, and he was better to lead this country to war then Kerry.

Originally posted by Mistermog

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I won't say much on the subject except, bush is exactly what our country needs right now, and he was better to lead this country to war then Kerry.

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My thoughts exactly

Howso? Bush got us into this unholy unsactioned UN-NEEDED war with a country PROVEN to have asbolutely no connection to Al Queda OR Bin Laden while Bin Laden is off hiding in some cave laughing his ass off.

Bin Laden is in VERY poor health, And needs to be near a dialysis machine at all times.

We need to get out of this war as soon as possible and focus on Bin laden and stop causing wars where they don't belong.

That was Kerry's agenda and it's one I believe in.

Yes but isn't not doing anything about 9 11 just an invitation for them to do it again. There is no difference between The middle-east and america opposed to the a criminal and the police, if we don't do anything, then we should just kiss our country good bye,

War is not a good thing....But it is neccessary....

The grounds for this war were simple. "WMDs and connections to Al Queda!"

Neither were true, So our back up story was "Better way of life for the Iraqi people!"

When in reality life for them is terrible right now with no clear answer on when, if EVER it will get better.

Life was better for them with Saddam in power and a vast majority of Iraqis wish he was back in power.

I agree, that if the iraqi people wanted to keep saddam (who was in my opinion a useless being) than they can, but everything justifies our right for justice over what happened to our americans..