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12-17-16 02:54 PM
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Txgangsta: obviously microwave a baby, it'd be less gruesome. Also, on the topic of McMullin, having a 3rd-party get 2nd place isn't that impressive in Utah. There's like two liberal cities in the entire state. McMullin is also Mormon, so I'm sure there were many people in Utah who voted for him without actually knowing much about him just because they were conservative and didn't want Trump.

I honestly think Evan McMullin is what Republicans
should be. He is very conservative but still has good morals. If I were forced to pick a president other than Bernie or Hillary, I definitely think McMullin would be the next best. Also, if he actually had won Utah, it would have been huge. People would have seen that 3rd-party candidates aren't a waste of your vote, and in the next election they could actually be very viable candidates.

ZeroTails : It's varied. I am a skeptic person and I don't soak up information like a sponge. I mainly use Politifact, CNN, and sometimes PBS. I think that getting all your news from just a one or two sources is a terrible idea, so I usually research multiple sides of issues. Google News is good because it collects news from a large multitude of news websites.
Txgangsta: obviously microwave a baby, it'd be less gruesome. Also, on the topic of McMullin, having a 3rd-party get 2nd place isn't that impressive in Utah. There's like two liberal cities in the entire state. McMullin is also Mormon, so I'm sure there were many people in Utah who voted for him without actually knowing much about him just because they were conservative and didn't want Trump.

I honestly think Evan McMullin is what Republicans
should be. He is very conservative but still has good morals. If I were forced to pick a president other than Bernie or Hillary, I definitely think McMullin would be the next best. Also, if he actually had won Utah, it would have been huge. People would have seen that 3rd-party candidates aren't a waste of your vote, and in the next election they could actually be very viable candidates.

ZeroTails : It's varied. I am a skeptic person and I don't soak up information like a sponge. I mainly use Politifact, CNN, and sometimes PBS. I think that getting all your news from just a one or two sources is a terrible idea, so I usually research multiple sides of issues. Google News is good because it collects news from a large multitude of news websites.
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McMullin was definitely a huge leap for 3rd party supporters everywhere. But he had a pretty good home field advantage as well, which nobody else had this year. Maybe next time will bring in some more love for 3rd parties instead of just "REPUBLICIANS, AMIRITE? YEEEEEEESH!"

TheFadedWarrior : Getting news from CNN is like getting food from the toilet. Don't take a single word those Controlled News Network hacks say without some major reality checks. I never heard of Politifact though.

Txgangsta : I have never heard of them before, actually. I was on a site that had quite a few 3rd parties covered, but most of them never seemed to stand for anything at all. So I just dropped that place out altogether. My own theory here would be that Bernie and politicians like him may break off and form their own little party by 2020. Seeing as how different Hillary and her cronies were very different from Bernie and his people's views. So perhaps the Left would split into two main parties. The Democrats, and the Berners. The Berners having a left leaning view, but actually give a damn about America and the middle class. One that is less focused on New York, California, and the very rich elite, and more on...America. You know, the huge area in between Hillary's winning states that was very close to entirely Republican this election.

tl;dr 3rd parties are the only real hope for America at this point. When one side oversteps it's boundaries, controls nearly all major media outlets, and constantly drifts farther and farther away from what Americans want, need, or care about. They will get sick of it, and rebel against the monopoly they hold. Consequences be da--pooey.
McMullin was definitely a huge leap for 3rd party supporters everywhere. But he had a pretty good home field advantage as well, which nobody else had this year. Maybe next time will bring in some more love for 3rd parties instead of just "REPUBLICIANS, AMIRITE? YEEEEEEESH!"

TheFadedWarrior : Getting news from CNN is like getting food from the toilet. Don't take a single word those Controlled News Network hacks say without some major reality checks. I never heard of Politifact though.

Txgangsta : I have never heard of them before, actually. I was on a site that had quite a few 3rd parties covered, but most of them never seemed to stand for anything at all. So I just dropped that place out altogether. My own theory here would be that Bernie and politicians like him may break off and form their own little party by 2020. Seeing as how different Hillary and her cronies were very different from Bernie and his people's views. So perhaps the Left would split into two main parties. The Democrats, and the Berners. The Berners having a left leaning view, but actually give a damn about America and the middle class. One that is less focused on New York, California, and the very rich elite, and more on...America. You know, the huge area in between Hillary's winning states that was very close to entirely Republican this election.

tl;dr 3rd parties are the only real hope for America at this point. When one side oversteps it's boundaries, controls nearly all major media outlets, and constantly drifts farther and farther away from what Americans want, need, or care about. They will get sick of it, and rebel against the monopoly they hold. Consequences be da--pooey.
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A user of this : Like I said, I vary my sources. CNN is very biased on many things, so I try to avoid most politics from them. They're a great source for world events and news, but not so much for US news.
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Well I guess because Trump appeals more to the people and the electoral collage. Also Just because Hilary Clinton does have years of political experience doesn't mean it was "good experience" so to speak, many of her decisions over the years hasn't been for the people and seemed more self serving then serving for the people, people I guess got tired of the corruption, lies and cheating.But after all you do realize the president has multiple advisers THAT ADVISES HIM ON MULTIPLE SUBJECTS/MATTERS FOR THE COUNTRY and 99% OF THE DECISIONS OF THE PRESIDENT AREN'T MADE SOLELY BY HIM, HE CANT JUST DO AS HE PLEASES ANY LAWS OR ACTIONS HE WANTS TO DO HAS TO PASS BY CONGRESS AND THE SENATE CHRIST PEOPLE LEARN HOW YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKS YOU PEOPLE ACT LIKE HE HAS ABSOLUTE POWER WITHOUT THIS POLICY OF "CHECKS AND BALANCES" COME ON NOW 7TH GRADE CIVICS CLASS ANYONE? AND FYI IF HE DOES DO ANYTHING CRAZY OR ILLEGAL HE CAN BE IMPEACHED. With that said why not give the man a chance after all what do we have to lose? Why not give someone new a try? (Maybe he will fix things for the better?, who knows maybe he'll bring the dollar back to the gold standard and stop the non government private printing of money so that why we aren't at the mercy of the Rothschild)
Well I guess because Trump appeals more to the people and the electoral collage. Also Just because Hilary Clinton does have years of political experience doesn't mean it was "good experience" so to speak, many of her decisions over the years hasn't been for the people and seemed more self serving then serving for the people, people I guess got tired of the corruption, lies and cheating.But after all you do realize the president has multiple advisers THAT ADVISES HIM ON MULTIPLE SUBJECTS/MATTERS FOR THE COUNTRY and 99% OF THE DECISIONS OF THE PRESIDENT AREN'T MADE SOLELY BY HIM, HE CANT JUST DO AS HE PLEASES ANY LAWS OR ACTIONS HE WANTS TO DO HAS TO PASS BY CONGRESS AND THE SENATE CHRIST PEOPLE LEARN HOW YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKS YOU PEOPLE ACT LIKE HE HAS ABSOLUTE POWER WITHOUT THIS POLICY OF "CHECKS AND BALANCES" COME ON NOW 7TH GRADE CIVICS CLASS ANYONE? AND FYI IF HE DOES DO ANYTHING CRAZY OR ILLEGAL HE CAN BE IMPEACHED. With that said why not give the man a chance after all what do we have to lose? Why not give someone new a try? (Maybe he will fix things for the better?, who knows maybe he'll bring the dollar back to the gold standard and stop the non government private printing of money so that why we aren't at the mercy of the Rothschild)
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Divine Aurora : "Trump appeals more to the people"



Funny you should say that because to me it looks like Clinton has almost 3 million more votes than Trump.

And about the "lies and cheating," do you really think Hillary Clinton has lied and cheated more than Donald Trump? Trump has made millions, possibly over 1 billion dollars from cheating contractors. He has made so much money by putting other people bankrupt. He has lied on camera multiple times, far more than I have seen Hillary do it. Besides, what politician doesn't lie?


Also, have you seen the people Donald Trump has picked as cabinet members? They are more insane than even him. The person he picked to be Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency denies climate change. That is exactly the opposite of what the EPA leader should be. For Secretary of State he picked Rex Tillerson, CEO of ExxonMobilI, someone who has very strong ties with Vladimir Putin, as well as having little to no political experience. I also think you're underestimating the president's power. Yes, he has many advisers, but the US president alone is possibly the most powerful figure in the entire world.
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Funny you should say that because to me it looks like Clinton has almost 3 million more votes than Trump.

And about the "lies and cheating," do you really think Hillary Clinton has lied and cheated more than Donald Trump? Trump has made millions, possibly over 1 billion dollars from cheating contractors. He has made so much money by putting other people bankrupt. He has lied on camera multiple times, far more than I have seen Hillary do it. Besides, what politician doesn't lie?


Also, have you seen the people Donald Trump has picked as cabinet members? They are more insane than even him. The person he picked to be Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency denies climate change. That is exactly the opposite of what the EPA leader should be. For Secretary of State he picked Rex Tillerson, CEO of ExxonMobilI, someone who has very strong ties with Vladimir Putin, as well as having little to no political experience. I also think you're underestimating the president's power. Yes, he has many advisers, but the US president alone is possibly the most powerful figure in the entire world.
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TheFadedWarrior : What source is that photo or stat from? Is it a reliable source credited to be accurate?, also by stating and having the mentality of "what politician doesn't lie" is the whole reason why Trump gained momentum in the first place your basically accepting and ignoring the fact that the "system" is crocked and corrupt and your excepting the fact that the system is corrupt and aren't trying to do anything to stop it.People are tired of the system and it's corruption. Everyone has cheated to get to the top that's facts, for example with the tax code and laws, Mr.Trump has said "I use certain advantages/loop holes left open in the tax code to avoid paying taxes, the people that make the tax code knows these loop holes exist but haven't done anything to close them, so why wouldn't I take advantage of the loop holes" Your basically saying you know and except the fact that your elected officials are corrupted and crooked to a certain degree and yet your completely fine with it?

Also what's wrong with not having "experience" in the political world? It means he's a blank page with no ties or basis towards anything or anyone, and also once again he appoints advisers for assisting him on certain topics and decisions so him not having experience isn't an issue but speaking of experience Hillary Clinton does have experience and guess what she's already brought and sold out to foreign interest and special interest groups "pay to play" all her experience in the political world has been poor choices, that scam the Clinton foundation(which is under investigation) But Mr.Trump has had his fair share of scams and issues but you see Trump point blank points out the corruption,the loop holes in the tax code and immigration laws so there for by identifying them I'd expect him to fix them

And ounce more at the end of the day MR.TRUMP WON SO SIT DOWN WATCH CLOSELY TO WHAT HE DOES GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO SHOW YOU WHAT HE CAN DO AND IF HE DOESN'T PREFORM TO THE PEOPLES SATISFACTION OR DOES SOMETHING ILLEGAL AS THE PRESIDENT OR SOMETHING NOT IN THE PEOPLES BEST INTEREST THAN IMPEACH HIM!!!! WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH THERE THICK SKULLS!!!! TERRIBLE JOB= IMPEACHMENT!

And Finally I'm not underestimating the power of the president, your underestimating the power of the people. Government only exists by the consent of the governed. The president can't do whatever he wants he has to go by congress and the senate and then approved by him which by the way congress and the senators are elected by the people for the people as well as the president.So once more the president is only as strong as you the people let him be
TheFadedWarrior : What source is that photo or stat from? Is it a reliable source credited to be accurate?, also by stating and having the mentality of "what politician doesn't lie" is the whole reason why Trump gained momentum in the first place your basically accepting and ignoring the fact that the "system" is crocked and corrupt and your excepting the fact that the system is corrupt and aren't trying to do anything to stop it.People are tired of the system and it's corruption. Everyone has cheated to get to the top that's facts, for example with the tax code and laws, Mr.Trump has said "I use certain advantages/loop holes left open in the tax code to avoid paying taxes, the people that make the tax code knows these loop holes exist but haven't done anything to close them, so why wouldn't I take advantage of the loop holes" Your basically saying you know and except the fact that your elected officials are corrupted and crooked to a certain degree and yet your completely fine with it?

Also what's wrong with not having "experience" in the political world? It means he's a blank page with no ties or basis towards anything or anyone, and also once again he appoints advisers for assisting him on certain topics and decisions so him not having experience isn't an issue but speaking of experience Hillary Clinton does have experience and guess what she's already brought and sold out to foreign interest and special interest groups "pay to play" all her experience in the political world has been poor choices, that scam the Clinton foundation(which is under investigation) But Mr.Trump has had his fair share of scams and issues but you see Trump point blank points out the corruption,the loop holes in the tax code and immigration laws so there for by identifying them I'd expect him to fix them

And ounce more at the end of the day MR.TRUMP WON SO SIT DOWN WATCH CLOSELY TO WHAT HE DOES GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO SHOW YOU WHAT HE CAN DO AND IF HE DOESN'T PREFORM TO THE PEOPLES SATISFACTION OR DOES SOMETHING ILLEGAL AS THE PRESIDENT OR SOMETHING NOT IN THE PEOPLES BEST INTEREST THAN IMPEACH HIM!!!! WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH THERE THICK SKULLS!!!! TERRIBLE JOB= IMPEACHMENT!

And Finally I'm not underestimating the power of the president, your underestimating the power of the people. Government only exists by the consent of the governed. The president can't do whatever he wants he has to go by congress and the senate and then approved by him which by the way congress and the senators are elected by the people for the people as well as the president.So once more the president is only as strong as you the people let him be
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Divine Aurora : When it comes to experience that is a tough issue. On one hand Donald Trump paraded on television firing people who had no experience in business in the show The Apprentice. On the other hand, it shows he is able to weed out the bad people in a business environment which could come useful in his presidency. I guess it's 50/50, good and bad. It's certainly not in favor of good because it's harder to see the forest through the trees in Washington when you got two parties working against you. Having affiliations is a good thing to have because it increases the ability to get things done in office.

TheFadedWarrior : A lot of people are not worried about Radical Islamic Terrorists. They are worried about Radical Capitalist Businessmen who have been getting away with plundering an entire workforces pay for their own pleasure. No one should be working full time for a major company that pays sh!t wages which won't even cover the basic cost of living; such as food and rent. Billionaires need to pay up and pay up big time.
Divine Aurora : When it comes to experience that is a tough issue. On one hand Donald Trump paraded on television firing people who had no experience in business in the show The Apprentice. On the other hand, it shows he is able to weed out the bad people in a business environment which could come useful in his presidency. I guess it's 50/50, good and bad. It's certainly not in favor of good because it's harder to see the forest through the trees in Washington when you got two parties working against you. Having affiliations is a good thing to have because it increases the ability to get things done in office.

TheFadedWarrior : A lot of people are not worried about Radical Islamic Terrorists. They are worried about Radical Capitalist Businessmen who have been getting away with plundering an entire workforces pay for their own pleasure. No one should be working full time for a major company that pays sh!t wages which won't even cover the basic cost of living; such as food and rent. Billionaires need to pay up and pay up big time.
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Divine Aurora : that statistic is from like everywhere. Have you been living under a rock? Everyone knows Hillary won the popular vote, that's why people are complaining about the electoral college so much lately. When Trump was complaining about the system being rigged, he was literally complaining about the voting system including the electoral college. Do us all a favor and get yourself educated.

As for not having experience, it's good to start small. Why in the hell would we elect someone without political experience to be a leader in the executive branch? The US president is the highest rank in the entire US political system, and we go and elect a greedy businessman instead of an actual politician. The same goes for Rex Tillerson.

Why would you think that talking in all caps and overusing exclamation points is a good idea at all? Also, being impeached does not necessarily mean you are removed from office. Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, but he continued out his term. Besides Bill Clinton, the only other US president to be impeached in history was Andrew Johnson.

Finally, yes, he has to go through congress and senate. However, he has made congress and senate ruled by Republicans and most of them support Trump's choices. He has near-corrupted the executive branch.
Divine Aurora : that statistic is from like everywhere. Have you been living under a rock? Everyone knows Hillary won the popular vote, that's why people are complaining about the electoral college so much lately. When Trump was complaining about the system being rigged, he was literally complaining about the voting system including the electoral college. Do us all a favor and get yourself educated.

As for not having experience, it's good to start small. Why in the hell would we elect someone without political experience to be a leader in the executive branch? The US president is the highest rank in the entire US political system, and we go and elect a greedy businessman instead of an actual politician. The same goes for Rex Tillerson.

Why would you think that talking in all caps and overusing exclamation points is a good idea at all? Also, being impeached does not necessarily mean you are removed from office. Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, but he continued out his term. Besides Bill Clinton, the only other US president to be impeached in history was Andrew Johnson.

Finally, yes, he has to go through congress and senate. However, he has made congress and senate ruled by Republicans and most of them support Trump's choices. He has near-corrupted the executive branch.
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I remember hearing somewhere that most of the states didn't finish counting up the votes because the votes for some states were overwhelmingly for Trump. Have they finished counting up those votes? Or am I just remembering that wrong?

Some people actually preferred someone that wasn't a politician because they thought that pretty much every politician was corrupted in some way or another and that they wanted an outsider so to speak. Whether no experience or so much experience that you're being controlled by the groups that gave you money to run is better is up to debate.

TheFadedWarrior : I want to point something out- Richard Nixon was also going to be impeached but he resigned before that happened, haha.

Divine Aurora : I will have to say that while caps are useful for making a point, it should only extend to certain phrases and not whole paragraphs. In fact I prefer italics or bold for that instead of caps. idk, i just feel like caps makes an argument less effective no matter how well chosen or how well backed up the argument is. I'm guilty of using caps as well, but that still doesn't make it a good way of making a point. Also, watch your spelling and grammar there. In the paragraph where you used caps I can point out 5-6 errors.
I remember hearing somewhere that most of the states didn't finish counting up the votes because the votes for some states were overwhelmingly for Trump. Have they finished counting up those votes? Or am I just remembering that wrong?

Some people actually preferred someone that wasn't a politician because they thought that pretty much every politician was corrupted in some way or another and that they wanted an outsider so to speak. Whether no experience or so much experience that you're being controlled by the groups that gave you money to run is better is up to debate.

TheFadedWarrior : I want to point something out- Richard Nixon was also going to be impeached but he resigned before that happened, haha.

Divine Aurora : I will have to say that while caps are useful for making a point, it should only extend to certain phrases and not whole paragraphs. In fact I prefer italics or bold for that instead of caps. idk, i just feel like caps makes an argument less effective no matter how well chosen or how well backed up the argument is. I'm guilty of using caps as well, but that still doesn't make it a good way of making a point. Also, watch your spelling and grammar there. In the paragraph where you used caps I can point out 5-6 errors.
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TheFadedWarrior : Your focusing way to hard on me using all caps in one paragraph to get a single point across and it's hilarious because your not seeing the point I was getting at,and being impeached does mean removed/kicked out from office which is why Nixon resigned before that happened and So your source is everywhere for that stat? Just saying everywhere isn't a reliable source give me a credited name please?Also how has Trump made the senate and congress more Republican when he isn't even in office yet? the President for the last 8 years has been making both congress and the senate more democrat because he's a democrat granted when Obama first got in it was more Republican because the president before him was.

And a greedy (successful)businessman vs a greedy corrupt self serving (lousy public servant at that) politician with pay to play tactics on/for foreign interests it was a matter of choosing the lesser evil not mention the other option with the political experience was filled with terrible decisions/choices when given positions of power.

ZeroTails : Once again more focused on the fact I used caps instead of the point I was getting at by using caps, the government only functions with the consent of the governed you don't like who you've elected Impeach them, all I'm saying is let the man give it his best or worst shot first.
TheFadedWarrior : Your focusing way to hard on me using all caps in one paragraph to get a single point across and it's hilarious because your not seeing the point I was getting at,and being impeached does mean removed/kicked out from office which is why Nixon resigned before that happened and So your source is everywhere for that stat? Just saying everywhere isn't a reliable source give me a credited name please?Also how has Trump made the senate and congress more Republican when he isn't even in office yet? the President for the last 8 years has been making both congress and the senate more democrat because he's a democrat granted when Obama first got in it was more Republican because the president before him was.

And a greedy (successful)businessman vs a greedy corrupt self serving (lousy public servant at that) politician with pay to play tactics on/for foreign interests it was a matter of choosing the lesser evil not mention the other option with the political experience was filled with terrible decisions/choices when given positions of power.

ZeroTails : Once again more focused on the fact I used caps instead of the point I was getting at by using caps, the government only functions with the consent of the governed you don't like who you've elected Impeach them, all I'm saying is let the man give it his best or worst shot first.
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Divine Aurora : It was just one thing I noticed and wanted to comment on. I may have made a paragraph about it, but I wasn't "more focused on the fact [you] used caps instead of the point [you were] getting at by using caps". I just didn't want to respond to your point because that wasn't what my post was aiming at. My post was aimed at pointing out several things since debating is not what I like to do in my spare time. I'm more like that person who likes to pop in and say a few things then see where the discussion goes from there.

And guess what- I DO agree that Trump should at least be given a chance as President. Hell, I even put it in my profile that I prefer Trump to Hilary. I was glad that Trump won. But I didn't mention that because I don't want to get into a debate. I also agree that if the government is run correctly and not overstepping it's bounds that the people DO have the power. All I was saying is that caps does not help get your point across. End of discussion.
Divine Aurora : It was just one thing I noticed and wanted to comment on. I may have made a paragraph about it, but I wasn't "more focused on the fact [you] used caps instead of the point [you were] getting at by using caps". I just didn't want to respond to your point because that wasn't what my post was aiming at. My post was aimed at pointing out several things since debating is not what I like to do in my spare time. I'm more like that person who likes to pop in and say a few things then see where the discussion goes from there.

And guess what- I DO agree that Trump should at least be given a chance as President. Hell, I even put it in my profile that I prefer Trump to Hilary. I was glad that Trump won. But I didn't mention that because I don't want to get into a debate. I also agree that if the government is run correctly and not overstepping it's bounds that the people DO have the power. All I was saying is that caps does not help get your point across. End of discussion.
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Divine Aurora: 1. I had one sentence about you using all caps. One sentence. Don't mix us up.

2. Like I said, being impeached is not necessarily being removed from office. You have to commit a serious federal crime to be impeached. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. Andrew Johnson was impeached for illegally removing the Secretary of War from office without consent. Nixon was near impeached for the infamous Watergate Scandal. I think it is quite unlikely Trump would commit a crime and get impeached. Just because he's insane and nominates horrible people for cabinet members doesn't mean he is going to commit a scandalous crime. Additionally, if Trump got impeached, Mike Pence would become president, which would be even worse.

3. Have you looked
anywhere? Denying the fact that Hillary won the popular vote is plain ignorance. Even almost all Trump supporters admit she did. I'm going to list a bunch of websites that have the results of the election with popular votes and projected electoral votes. I did NOT just pick the ones that say Hillary won the popular vote. I picked everything on the front page of Google that had any results:

http://cookpolitical.com/story/10174
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/21/election-results-electoral-popular-votes-trump-clinton/94214826/
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clinton-won-popular-vote-over-donald-trump-but-by-how-much-w451352
http://www.bbc.com/news/election/us2016/results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin

If you're so stubborn as to deny blatant facts, how about you go and find something that says Trump won the popular vote?

4. I'm saying that when Trump does become president, Republicans will be in majority power of Senate, Congress, and Presidency. This is not because of Trump, it is just how the voting went. No matter what party you are, having all three in power is not good. It prevents any compromises from happening and makes the other party have almost nothing going for them.

5. Believe it or not, Republicans have control of the Senate and Congress currently. The Senate has 54 Republicans, 44 Democrats, and 2 liberal independents. The House of Representatives currently has a whopping 247 Republicans and only 187 Democrats. Before Obama became president, the Senate majority was actually Democrat. Additionally, the gap between Democrats and Republicans in the House of Representatives was much smaller before. So, really, when Obama first got in it was more Democratic.

You have turned this debate less of a matter of opinions and thoughts about Trump, and more into you ignoring facts. I'm 100% serious when I say this: Research your claims more, it will help you out.
Divine Aurora: 1. I had one sentence about you using all caps. One sentence. Don't mix us up.

2. Like I said, being impeached is not necessarily being removed from office. You have to commit a serious federal crime to be impeached. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. Andrew Johnson was impeached for illegally removing the Secretary of War from office without consent. Nixon was near impeached for the infamous Watergate Scandal. I think it is quite unlikely Trump would commit a crime and get impeached. Just because he's insane and nominates horrible people for cabinet members doesn't mean he is going to commit a scandalous crime. Additionally, if Trump got impeached, Mike Pence would become president, which would be even worse.

3. Have you looked
anywhere? Denying the fact that Hillary won the popular vote is plain ignorance. Even almost all Trump supporters admit she did. I'm going to list a bunch of websites that have the results of the election with popular votes and projected electoral votes. I did NOT just pick the ones that say Hillary won the popular vote. I picked everything on the front page of Google that had any results:

http://cookpolitical.com/story/10174
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/21/election-results-electoral-popular-votes-trump-clinton/94214826/
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clinton-won-popular-vote-over-donald-trump-but-by-how-much-w451352
http://www.bbc.com/news/election/us2016/results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin

If you're so stubborn as to deny blatant facts, how about you go and find something that says Trump won the popular vote?

4. I'm saying that when Trump does become president, Republicans will be in majority power of Senate, Congress, and Presidency. This is not because of Trump, it is just how the voting went. No matter what party you are, having all three in power is not good. It prevents any compromises from happening and makes the other party have almost nothing going for them.

5. Believe it or not, Republicans have control of the Senate and Congress currently. The Senate has 54 Republicans, 44 Democrats, and 2 liberal independents. The House of Representatives currently has a whopping 247 Republicans and only 187 Democrats. Before Obama became president, the Senate majority was actually Democrat. Additionally, the gap between Democrats and Republicans in the House of Representatives was much smaller before. So, really, when Obama first got in it was more Democratic.

You have turned this debate less of a matter of opinions and thoughts about Trump, and more into you ignoring facts. I'm 100% serious when I say this: Research your claims more, it will help you out.
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I've been as butthurt about Trump winning as much as the next guy, but there's one thing he said that I actually liked. "I say it is time for us to come together as one united people" he said in his victory speech. America is getting more and more divided following literally everything from Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem to racial violence to this past presidential campaign and election. More and more acts of senseless violence are happening as a result of this increasing division and it's just a vicious cycle. I don't agree with most of what he says or does, but this is something we really need to follow or else things are just going to keep going downhill.
I've been as butthurt about Trump winning as much as the next guy, but there's one thing he said that I actually liked. "I say it is time for us to come together as one united people" he said in his victory speech. America is getting more and more divided following literally everything from Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem to racial violence to this past presidential campaign and election. More and more acts of senseless violence are happening as a result of this increasing division and it's just a vicious cycle. I don't agree with most of what he says or does, but this is something we really need to follow or else things are just going to keep going downhill.
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Like I have said from the beginning,Rday,let us give him till his first 100 days before we decide we do not like him. And if we do not like him or what he does,we choose someone else.

Rday,you and I do not get along at all. But I do not hate you for it. Now,you probably guessed that I voted for Trump. We needed a change.

He is right,we need to put this all aside and work together to fix this country.
Like I have said from the beginning,Rday,let us give him till his first 100 days before we decide we do not like him. And if we do not like him or what he does,we choose someone else.

Rday,you and I do not get along at all. But I do not hate you for it. Now,you probably guessed that I voted for Trump. We needed a change.

He is right,we need to put this all aside and work together to fix this country.
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i don't support either but lemme just say that the news stations are biased towards hillary, and are taking trumps words out of context to make him seem like a bad guy. im not the best informed, but i know that much. also iirc he isn't racist, he just doesn't like ILLEGAL immigrants.
i don't support either but lemme just say that the news stations are biased towards hillary, and are taking trumps words out of context to make him seem like a bad guy. im not the best informed, but i know that much. also iirc he isn't racist, he just doesn't like ILLEGAL immigrants.
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Dear Hillary Supporters/OP: Why not?
Dear Hillary Supporters/OP: Why not?
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bigger0gamer : What the hell do you mean why not? Have you read a single post I've made in this thread, including my original post? I've stated many reasons why not.
bigger0gamer : What the hell do you mean why not? Have you read a single post I've made in this thread, including my original post? I've stated many reasons why not.
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TheFadedWarrior : Please refer to the thread title, this definition of a pun, and this definition of s***posting.

In other words: No, I didn't read the thread XD. Hardly matters though, Trump is officially President-elect. If you were previously biased against Trump, best thing to do is to try to clear yourself of that bias and give him 100 days of office to see if he fails epicly or not.

If you'd still like a legitimate response though, I'd prefer Trump over Hillary simply because Hillary isn't trustworthy to me, not only because of the private email server scandal (though that certainly put it beyond a doubt), but simply because I don't find much trust or confidence in a politician that does the usual "Politically Correct Politician" approach. It gives off the vibe to me that not only are they getting nothing useful done (a bad enough charge as is), but it feels like they're involved in some shady business with the way it seems like they are always avoiding questions. Trump, on the other hand, is straight forward in his approach. He answers the damn question with an actual response! He speaks his mind and makes me feel confident I know exactly how he stands on an issue, which is something I can get behind. He (as a politician, to avoid the counter-argument of his tax return) is clear, open, and honest with his opinion and for that I find him trustworthy. It also helps that I agree with Trumps stance and policies on issues more so than Hillary's.
TheFadedWarrior : Please refer to the thread title, this definition of a pun, and this definition of s***posting.

In other words: No, I didn't read the thread XD. Hardly matters though, Trump is officially President-elect. If you were previously biased against Trump, best thing to do is to try to clear yourself of that bias and give him 100 days of office to see if he fails epicly or not.

If you'd still like a legitimate response though, I'd prefer Trump over Hillary simply because Hillary isn't trustworthy to me, not only because of the private email server scandal (though that certainly put it beyond a doubt), but simply because I don't find much trust or confidence in a politician that does the usual "Politically Correct Politician" approach. It gives off the vibe to me that not only are they getting nothing useful done (a bad enough charge as is), but it feels like they're involved in some shady business with the way it seems like they are always avoiding questions. Trump, on the other hand, is straight forward in his approach. He answers the damn question with an actual response! He speaks his mind and makes me feel confident I know exactly how he stands on an issue, which is something I can get behind. He (as a politician, to avoid the counter-argument of his tax return) is clear, open, and honest with his opinion and for that I find him trustworthy. It also helps that I agree with Trumps stance and policies on issues more so than Hillary's.
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TheFadedWarrior : Ok why I cannot reply to most of this due to me not liking either candidate. I can say a few things you need to know. For one the democracy is an illusion in the U.S We vote yes but it does nothing. Legally delegates in the electoral college have the right to override every public vote with how they see fit. Now on paper when this was made it was a good idea. Most people couldn't read and this solved that issue. However, in practice its too easy to corrupt that and the fact that we are taught to read growing up now the electoral college shouldn't be a thing now. Basically if every bit of the public votes went to candidate A if the electoral majority went to candidate B. Than candidate B wins. That is how the American law is set up.
TheFadedWarrior : Ok why I cannot reply to most of this due to me not liking either candidate. I can say a few things you need to know. For one the democracy is an illusion in the U.S We vote yes but it does nothing. Legally delegates in the electoral college have the right to override every public vote with how they see fit. Now on paper when this was made it was a good idea. Most people couldn't read and this solved that issue. However, in practice its too easy to corrupt that and the fact that we are taught to read growing up now the electoral college shouldn't be a thing now. Basically if every bit of the public votes went to candidate A if the electoral majority went to candidate B. Than candidate B wins. That is how the American law is set up.
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Look,our system is not perfect. But in many places in the world,you would even have a chance to express your opinion. The Electoral College was set up to avoid favoritism. Now,if we went by straight majority votes,we would be choking on whatever garbage that Commiefornia and New Yuck wish to spew. The majority vote would be far easier to corrupt. All you have to do is promise people stuff and appeal to certain groups to gain a numerical advantage. And if we did go by popular vote,I am sure someone will find a way to let illegals vote.
Look,our system is not perfect. But in many places in the world,you would even have a chance to express your opinion. The Electoral College was set up to avoid favoritism. Now,if we went by straight majority votes,we would be choking on whatever garbage that Commiefornia and New Yuck wish to spew. The majority vote would be far easier to corrupt. All you have to do is promise people stuff and appeal to certain groups to gain a numerical advantage. And if we did go by popular vote,I am sure someone will find a way to let illegals vote.
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