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06-10-16 12:24 PM
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Frodlex : I don't see any posts voting for you.

Anyway, what's the chances for me to land a Leggyist role twice in a row? C'mon.
Frodlex : I don't see any posts voting for you.

Anyway, what's the chances for me to land a Leggyist role twice in a row? C'mon.
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06-10-16 12:36 PM
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Snowdeath : Likely enough to be within the realm of possibility. 

Morsalbus : Albeit while voting no kill does sound like the best possibility, mafia actually has far more to gain from the staleness of town activity. If town is going to win it's going to need to use extreme caution, but frankly they need to start speaking up before mafia has enough time to get a plan going.
Snowdeath : Likely enough to be within the realm of possibility. 

Morsalbus : Albeit while voting no kill does sound like the best possibility, mafia actually has far more to gain from the staleness of town activity. If town is going to win it's going to need to use extreme caution, but frankly they need to start speaking up before mafia has enough time to get a plan going.
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06-10-16 01:18 PM
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Frodlex :
Mafia's ideal scenarios go like this: 1. Surreptitiously convince townspeople to vote for innocent players without making themselves appear suspicious or risking their own lives. 2. Let no one be lynched during the day round, in order to continue killing at night without risk to any of their members. 3. (worst case scenario) Get found out and lynched by town.

1 could be very difficult to do, since as soon as a player makes an accusation and votes for a death, we will all suspect that player. Even if the accuser does get us to kill a townsperson, they'll be at risk the next day round after we learned that they convinced us to lynch an innocent person.
2 is much easier to do, and is by far the best way to stay in the game, so on that point you are correct. It IS the best move for mafia members. This is NOT, however, the scenario they have the most to gain from. 1 is best for them.

However, just because it's smart for mafia members to allow no one to get lynched doesn't mean it's smart for us townsfolk to try to lynch a random. If town decides it's fine to lynch without good evidence, then it makes it WAY easier to pull off scenario #1 and help to get an innocent person lynched. So, until someone brings up some evidence we should just avoid killing anyone and let whatever night town roles are present do their best to get some evidence against the mafia.

legacyme3 :
Could we clear up the double kill rules a little? Suppose the vote turns out like this:
No Kill: 13
Snowdeath : 2
Morsalbus : 1
Would Snow be the only person to die, because "no kill" is the first place vote? Or is Snowdeath the first place vote, and Morsalbus the second place vote, because kill votes take precedence over no kill? For some reason I have been supposing the latter was true, but Frodlex's vote makes sense looking at it the first way.






Frodlex :
Mafia's ideal scenarios go like this: 1. Surreptitiously convince townspeople to vote for innocent players without making themselves appear suspicious or risking their own lives. 2. Let no one be lynched during the day round, in order to continue killing at night without risk to any of their members. 3. (worst case scenario) Get found out and lynched by town.

1 could be very difficult to do, since as soon as a player makes an accusation and votes for a death, we will all suspect that player. Even if the accuser does get us to kill a townsperson, they'll be at risk the next day round after we learned that they convinced us to lynch an innocent person.
2 is much easier to do, and is by far the best way to stay in the game, so on that point you are correct. It IS the best move for mafia members. This is NOT, however, the scenario they have the most to gain from. 1 is best for them.

However, just because it's smart for mafia members to allow no one to get lynched doesn't mean it's smart for us townsfolk to try to lynch a random. If town decides it's fine to lynch without good evidence, then it makes it WAY easier to pull off scenario #1 and help to get an innocent person lynched. So, until someone brings up some evidence we should just avoid killing anyone and let whatever night town roles are present do their best to get some evidence against the mafia.

legacyme3 :
Could we clear up the double kill rules a little? Suppose the vote turns out like this:
No Kill: 13
Snowdeath : 2
Morsalbus : 1
Would Snow be the only person to die, because "no kill" is the first place vote? Or is Snowdeath the first place vote, and Morsalbus the second place vote, because kill votes take precedence over no kill? For some reason I have been supposing the latter was true, but Frodlex's vote makes sense looking at it the first way.






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06-10-16 01:23 PM
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Morsalbus : Don't have time for a long post but basically my vote is taking the fact that I think Snow would be the only one to die in that situation, since she compromised herself anyway, the extra security is literally hurting no one, if it changes however, my vote is likely to as well.
Morsalbus : Don't have time for a long post but basically my vote is taking the fact that I think Snow would be the only one to die in that situation, since she compromised herself anyway, the extra security is literally hurting no one, if it changes however, my vote is likely to as well.
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06-10-16 02:32 PM
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Morsalbus :

In any round with a "double killing", it is simply the top 2. In your scenario, it would be "No-Kill" and Snowdeath.

To kill you for getting one vote, and being the third place option would be awfully cruel of me.

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12 hours remain.
Morsalbus :

In any round with a "double killing", it is simply the top 2. In your scenario, it would be "No-Kill" and Snowdeath.

To kill you for getting one vote, and being the third place option would be awfully cruel of me.

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06-10-16 02:43 PM
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legacyme3 : What if snowdeath and someone else tie with two votes and no kill is in the lead?
For example:
No Kill 13
Snowdeath 2
Morsalbus 2
legacyme3 : What if snowdeath and someone else tie with two votes and no kill is in the lead?
For example:
No Kill 13
Snowdeath 2
Morsalbus 2
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06-10-16 03:10 PM
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earthwarrior :

Now, that, is a secret.
earthwarrior :

Now, that, is a secret.
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06-10-16 04:44 PM
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earthwarrior : Pretty sure they both die if tied.
earthwarrior : Pretty sure they both die if tied.
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06-10-16 04:50 PM
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Froddie, you're acting just suspicious, which is exactly what my trap was.

Changing vote to Frodlex.
Froddie, you're acting just suspicious, which is exactly what my trap was.

Changing vote to Frodlex.
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06-10-16 05:21 PM
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Snowdeath : Your sudden change like that is also suspicious.
Snowdeath : Your sudden change like that is also suspicious.
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06-10-16 05:38 PM
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Snowdeath: Suspicious? Sure. But you can't not be suspicious in mafia games truth be told. What's to say I'm not bystander? Maybe I'm the fool? I could be a tree even. Who knows? However I don't see why it matters one way or another. How am I suspicious though? Only playing my safest cards though. But voting for you no longer makes me safe.

So do I attempt to take you down as well or not? I'm gonna have to consider my options here. But I'm changing my vote to NO KILL. No reason to vote for you now, unless I want to be a martyr and cause two deaths after all. I suppose it would make progress in the game. But truthfully speaking, on what ground do I seem suspicious? All I've tried to do is get town moving and protect myself. I must however point out that you must be careful yourself.

I could claim any role to try and protect myself, but that actually puts me at risk, mafia would consider me of no value and if kill me if I claimed bystander or fool. Town would lynch me if I claimed anything else. On that ground I have done nothing but try and get town to not waste their day. It gives mafia far too much time to act.

If lynched, FoS: Snowdeath 

Snowdeath: Suspicious? Sure. But you can't not be suspicious in mafia games truth be told. What's to say I'm not bystander? Maybe I'm the fool? I could be a tree even. Who knows? However I don't see why it matters one way or another. How am I suspicious though? Only playing my safest cards though. But voting for you no longer makes me safe.

So do I attempt to take you down as well or not? I'm gonna have to consider my options here. But I'm changing my vote to NO KILL. No reason to vote for you now, unless I want to be a martyr and cause two deaths after all. I suppose it would make progress in the game. But truthfully speaking, on what ground do I seem suspicious? All I've tried to do is get town moving and protect myself. I must however point out that you must be careful yourself.

I could claim any role to try and protect myself, but that actually puts me at risk, mafia would consider me of no value and if kill me if I claimed bystander or fool. Town would lynch me if I claimed anything else. On that ground I have done nothing but try and get town to not waste their day. It gives mafia far too much time to act.

If lynched, FoS: Snowdeath 

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06-10-16 07:06 PM
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Not gonna vote just yet, but FoS Frodlex. He was pretty quick to jump on the vote for Snow, and the excuse that it was to try to protect himself from being tied in votes made no sense. There wasn't really any reason to think anyone would vote for him.
Not gonna vote just yet, but FoS Frodlex. He was pretty quick to jump on the vote for Snow, and the excuse that it was to try to protect himself from being tied in votes made no sense. There wasn't really any reason to think anyone would vote for him.
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Can someone tell me what FoS stands for? I'm really confused as to what's happening
Can someone tell me what FoS stands for? I'm really confused as to what's happening
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FoS means finger of suspicion. It's not quite a vote, simply a note to pay close attention to the person
FoS means finger of suspicion. It's not quite a vote, simply a note to pay close attention to the person
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06-10-16 07:28 PM
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soxfan849 : Makes perfect sense to me. I've been incredibly vocal this whole match, only makes sense to try and better my chances. Especially considering how risky I've been playing this game. Therefore vote for the person who makes it so I don't die. Or maybe this actually is a ploy, but frankly if you look at my previous mafia games, I'm generally under the radar when I have something to hide.

But suspect me all you want, I'm actually glad that someone is at least trying. But to bf honest no one is talking enough to make this work. Mafia will definitely try and use this to their advantage. But when only four people have talked enough to even be suspicious, it's a problem. It's about time we start calling out those aren't talking.

That aside I won't care much if I get lynched, just want us to get working quickly. Mafia will easily win with the lack of activity so far. Assuming it keeps up.
soxfan849 : Makes perfect sense to me. I've been incredibly vocal this whole match, only makes sense to try and better my chances. Especially considering how risky I've been playing this game. Therefore vote for the person who makes it so I don't die. Or maybe this actually is a ploy, but frankly if you look at my previous mafia games, I'm generally under the radar when I have something to hide.

But suspect me all you want, I'm actually glad that someone is at least trying. But to bf honest no one is talking enough to make this work. Mafia will definitely try and use this to their advantage. But when only four people have talked enough to even be suspicious, it's a problem. It's about time we start calling out those aren't talking.

That aside I won't care much if I get lynched, just want us to get working quickly. Mafia will easily win with the lack of activity so far. Assuming it keeps up.
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The thing is, what do we talk about? The Mafia hasn't killed anyone yet that gives us a lead so it's hard for everyone to input an opinion.

I personally will vote NO KILL because there currently isn't really any evidence against anyone.
The thing is, what do we talk about? The Mafia hasn't killed anyone yet that gives us a lead so it's hard for everyone to input an opinion.

I personally will vote NO KILL because there currently isn't really any evidence against anyone.
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Barathemos : There is plenty of evidence so far, almost everyone has posted at least once. Try to read into the meaning.

Edit: Minor grammar fix, to hell with auto correct. But quite important to fix, forgive me for the edit Leggy.
Barathemos : There is plenty of evidence so far, almost everyone has posted at least once. Try to read into the meaning.

Edit: Minor grammar fix, to hell with auto correct. But quite important to fix, forgive me for the edit Leggy.
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May I rest in peace.
May I rest in peace.
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I change my vote to Snowdeath

might as well try to save at least one of you guys and it seems frodlex is more interested in playing anyways
I change my vote to Snowdeath

might as well try to save at least one of you guys and it seems frodlex is more interested in playing anyways
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In this case I have to try and save myself as well. Vote changed to SNOWDEATH.
In this case I have to try and save myself as well. Vote changed to SNOWDEATH.
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