Yeah. It was pretty bad.

Insulting people's beliefs is just horrible, but the fact that people would go so far as to murder others for doing so is even worse. The phrase "Je suis Charlie" has been adopted recently by believers of freedom of speech, and I think it's cool, but... 

The thing is, some people are more sensitive than others. While some people may call a mean joke "freedom of speech", others may call it "discrimination". I was personally never offended by any of the Charlie Hebdo comics, but not everybody is like me.

They did not only mock Islam, mind you. They offended Christians, too. However, just like what happens much too often, all it took was one group of Islamic extremists to get ticked off and murder a bunch of the people who worked there.

How disgusting.

I don't really hold a grudge against Charlie Hebdo, but if some of you do, I understand. Making fun of other people's beliefs is never cool, but like I said before, it doesn't even compare to how horrible killing people for doing so is.

I'm going to end this with a quote by an Islamic politician referring to the terrorists which I simply adored:

"What they did is more embarrassing to Islam than any drawing or comic."

For the sake of those sane Muslims out there... please don't scream "Allahu akbar" (God is great) while carrying out your intolerant, nonsensical stupidity. Seriously, ISIS? "Convert to Islam or die?" Pfft. 

You first.

NintendoFanKimmy, out!~

EDIT: Wow. I just read about #JeSuisAhmed. To quote Twitter user @hsmoghul, he was "the policeman who died defending a magazine's right to insult his religion and culture."

Also, as @Imi_Ahmed said, "Ahmed Merabet protected people. He was the true face of modern Islam. His murderers were not."

That's amazing. 

Of course, I had to find it while researching thoroughly since, as I've noticed, people tend to be a bit more quiet when a Muslim does something good than when he/she does something bad .

NintendoFanKimy, over and out!~

NintendoFanKimmy :

Yeah, that's the news for you, always focusing on negative rather than positive, it's why I don't watch it anymore. I don't even like conservative talk shows cause it's like I get to hear about the same thing over, and over and over and over and over again.

Annoying.

I know Obama's bad! Somehow he got elected twice. (probably cause nobody good ran against him. . . Ugh. . .)


Islam is a religion that curiosates me, I wish I knew more about it. I don't know the Koran, and I won't claim too. (not sure even spelled it right, my apologies). But if I may ask a question, What does the Koran teach regarding how to deal with people like that? I would like your opinion on the matter.

Sword legion : HEY, YOU'RE INSULTING ROMNEY!!!! LOL To be fair, if given the option to vote for him or say, Ron Paul, I'd probably choose Ron Paul, even though I'm Mormon. Ron Paul can come off as radical at times, but I believe his heart is in the right place. Maybe it's because I've never been in Romney's sort of position that I don't understand him. I dunno. I just want the best candidate in office, no matter his religion. Someone can believe something and act against it.

Also, I think it's spelled Q'uran (though if I got it wrong, I hope Kimmy corrects me as well ).

NintendoFanKimmy : I used to be among those that bashed other religions. No more. I don't agree with everything in other religions, but I do love the people. Muslims are given too much of a bad rap because of their religion (or rather, the radical violence that has spread from a particular sect). Some aspects of Islam may seem to be disgusting to me. But I HAVE known a good Muslim man. He was in my orchestra, and was one of the coolest (and smartest) guys I've ever known. He even got a position in the White House! If there is anything in a religion that I disagree with, I am trying to relate it to my own religion to give perspective and understanding of not just the religion, but the people inside it, both good and bad. There are bad apples in every religion. It does not help to say "some more than others" EVEN if that is the truth. It would reflect poorly on your own religion, whatever it may be, to say anything like that.

One must be VERY careful when going into religious or political territory for humor's sake. I don't wanna be the guy that writes a comic that leads to war . "The Book of Mormon" (the musical), for example, I have never heard a complaint about in my church (although we joke sometimes about what we believe to be the blatant inaccuracies of it ). "The Interview", for example, though, drew a TON of backlash from North Korea. It even was agreed to be pulled from theaters for a while and was placed on Youtube. Obama even criticized NK for their reaction to it. I thought it might lead to war. Perhaps it is, although I dare not think about that too much.

Sword legion : Ha, ha, you and supernerd both got it wrong xD! It's spelled Quran or Qur'an . I prefer Qur'an since that's kind of how it's pronounced (it's like the "an" in "Qur'an" is a new word), but I think Koran is also used by some people. I don't really care all that much, though . 

Anyway, interesting question !

I'm sorry to say, however... that I'm not exactly the right person to ask :O! Ha, ha, I don't really know that much about Islam . I wish I did, but I don't. In all honesty, according to what I've heard some people say (it could be biased information, though), there may some pretty intolerant stuff in there . I'm not sure whether the sources are reliable, though. There is a chance that something nasty could be said in the Qur'an about dealing with non-Muslims, but inaccurate translations are plentiful , and what I heard could easily be a load of nonsense. According to my best friend, who knows way more about Islam than I do, it states that Muslims should respect people of all religions.

You know what?
Let's assume for the moment that there actually is a passage somewhere in the Qur'an telling all Muslims to give others the choice of conversion or death...

If that were true, then most Muslims today would be imperfect Muslims !

Thanks for the reply and question; I love it when people are curious ! I hope your questions get answered by someone who knows better, though xD! Have a great day ^^!

supernerd117 : Assuming you didn't see my reply to Sword's post, you BOTH got it wrong xD! It's Qur'an because the "an" is pronounced like it's another word . There's, like, a pause. Or something. I think some people spell it as Quran or Koran, though. I don't really care all that much .

Anyway, I can TOTALLY relate to your post. Just because I don't agree with something, it doesn't mean I hate it, and just because I don't agree with the person who believes it, it doesn't mean I'm going to push him/her off a cliff!

Sadly, I have not found ONE religion to this day that I completely agree with ... That's why I'm not very religious and have my own view of God that's sort of influenced from the bits and pieces of different religions that I agree with. I totally respect people who have different beliefs from mine, though ! 

Thanks for replying; it means a lot ^^! And in case you were wondering, I'm a Muslim .~

Have a great day!

I have heard about the attacks of Charlie Hebdo, and to me personal view on this, I feel like he doesn't deserve to die because he created a political cartoon that made fun of Muslim and their "god". How I look at this, if they think they are offended by all the political cartoons, they they would kill every cartoonists like Nick Anderson, Matt Bors, Mike Luckovich, Tom Toles, Rob Rogers and just to name a few more political cartoonists out there, local and national cartoonists.

So, I think those attacks those chickens has made is extremely wrong in all directions, the cartoonists makes those drawings because they got the freedom to express themselves and they do that with their artwork and make them all with all the current events that is going on like the Middle East, North Korea, and just to name a view issues going on in the entire world.

Sure, I know making fun of someone's god is all bad and all, but going to the extreme and have those people killed is a whole other ballgame. I think you shouldn't judge people on their creativity, like look at the whole "The Interview" issues that sparked issues with North Korea and they threat nuclear war against the United States and then backed down because things really don't do their way. To tell you the truth, nothing goes anyone's way, that's the way of the world, if you don't like on how it's run, then just deal with it.

I feel like Charlie Hebdo doesn't deserve to die because he has some creativity in his works and because someone just didn't like his drawing, that doesn't mean you have to kill the guy
As an artist, if someone doesn't like your art, it's even wrong if you flame someone against your art style and what not, but it doesn't need to go to the extreme and kill someone because they made fun of a superior being, that is just flat wrong.

IgorBird122: As an artist and believer of freedom of speech myself, I have to agree with you. Like pretty much anyone would think, it was COMPLETELY wrong and immature of the terrorists to do what they did. 

As usual, I had to deal with the misleading #KillAllMuslims popping up everywhere, but that started to decline because, thankfully, like I said before, there was a Muslim GOOD GUY who died, too! That made me a little less embarrassed ^^". Especially since he sided with the people who insulted his religion! Also, just so you know, Muhammad is our "prophet", not our "god" . Well, I shouldn't be saying "our"; I'm not really a very religious Muslim, and, ironically, my beliefs sort of correlate with those of Christians more than they do with those of Muslims, ha, ha. 

If you read my whole post, which I'm assuming you did, you'd realize that Charlie Hebdo is a company, not a person , and that your opinion on this... is pretty much exactly the same as mine xD! That's cool ^^!

Thanks for replying, anyway; it means a lot ^^! Have a great day !

EDIT: For those of who you who want to attempt to the fix the summon; it's alright, I'll notify him of the reply .

NintendoFanKimmy, out!~

NintendoFanKimmy : Exactly, It's really at that point that you can't say anything bad about Muhammad or otherwise that will make those Muslim come over and kill everyone that makes fun of Muhammad, sure, I know making fun of a superior being isn't right, but it's not worth killing someone for it though. That's mostly how I view it from my point of view.

What has happened in Paris is reprehensible and tragic. Murder over religion is perhaps the most idiotic thing I can imagine, but it keeps happening. The solidarity in it's wake, however, is something that I find inspiring.

What I find particularly sad is that you have the conservative media outlets here in the US spouting their Islamaphobic hatred immediately and saying things like "where are the moderate Muslims denouncing it?" They were doing so from the moment the news broke. Countless social media posts and public statements saying "This is not Islam, these attacks are horrible"... yet they chose to ignore them in order to stir up hatred. They chose to ignore that one of the officers that died was Muslim.

Hatred begets more hatred. I don't care if it helps your ratings. It makes you just as bad as the radicals in ISIS that are training these people.

To be honest, if you are interested in learning about what Islam says on various things, guys, why don't you actually pick up a copy of the Qur'an and read it? Go to the source! I have a copy around here somewhere that I have been meaning to read myself. Personally, I think the world would be a better place if we were more secular and didn't let religion cause such conflicts; but one of the steps to getting there, I think is to actually understand the faiths of others instead of going on speculation, hearsay, and second/third/fourth hand knowledge.

Chicken soup

Local Mods : See above post. rereg of a perma'd guy

Only one word to qualify this: barbaric. When one gets so offended by a CARICATURE that one "has to" blow up a building, then one is still living in the Dark Ages.

That era was named that way for a reason. Compared to Antiquity, human progress nearly came to a standstill because knowledge was found to be nearly heretic. Christianity and Judaism overcame it; Islam needs to do the same if we're to have a future at all.

I'm not joking. Mixing modern weapons with obsolete ideas is going to doom us all.

what happened was truly a tragedy may all those victims i could understand why they were offended but the way they acted was completely uncalled for why turn to violence when you could simply sit someone down and talk to them and express the fact that the comics were offense


words are more powerful than actions as i said if they just talked it out like normal civilized humans instead of acting like animals

Personally I see nothing wrong with what those artists did, yes some people may have been offended but that's just a consequence of having freedom of speech. Otherwise we shouldn't have any books, films or art at as all since pretty much everything can be seen as offensive to someone in some way.

You may argue that by doing it I'd be disrespecting Muslims and there religion but not letting me do it would be the same as forcing the rules of a religion I do not choose to follow on me. And therefore you're not respecting my right to be non religious.

Starting to limit freedom of speech is what makes a country start going from a democracy to a dictatorship. Say you aren't allowed to draw Jesus, then you aren't allowed to say anything negative about Jesus or later even Christianity because that too can be deemed offensive to people.

And who would have the right to make the decision to what is right and wrong to say? The majority? As the past has shown us the majority isn't always correct, take Nazi Germany for example, you don't really see many people agreeing with the actions of Hitler today but back then he had the support of the majority of the German people.

Sad thing is at least where I live (Sweden) a lot of people think the satire artists of going to far and they think freedom of speech should be limited to prevent people from being "offended".


Though on the contrary there's also another weird thing I've been seeing. Some people seem to think that somehow Muslims must actively denounce things like this. But in that case why didn't we force Christians to denounce the guy who committed the 2011 Norway terrorist attacks who was committed by a person who identified as a Christian and who killed way more people. Even worse is that those same people don't seem to care that like has been said one of the people who died was a Muslim police officer who was trying to protect the people who were killed.

Why should these people have a responsibility to denounce the actions of others? That's like saying black people would have to denounce a crime committed by other black people simply for being black. Just because people identify as being part of the same religion doesn't mean they hold the same exact beliefs, people interpret the Quran and Bible in different ways and each religion has it's extremists. I'm guessing the reasons people even want them do so in the first place is rooted in islamophobia.

A long post but I wanted to get this all of my chest since I've been thinking about it for quite some time.

Zlinqx : It appears, sir, as though you and I have exact same views on this .

*High fives.*

NintendoFanKimmy : *high fives* Lol I'm glad I'm not alone in having this opinion