This is one of the most often broken rules, and I think it's time we finally discuss this.

I was thinking that perhaps we could allow it, but ask that individual claims are approved beforehand. Then everyone could protect their safehouses in Genrody, but not claim large tracts of ore-rich land.

That seems reasonable, and I think it would solve most of the claiming problems we're seeing.

And if the consensus is that they should remained banned, we've clarified the rules in a public setting.

mrfe :
Pokefreak219 :
IgorBird122 :
Davideo7 :
Everyone who wants to provide input-

I've never actually been to Genrody, too busy designing and building in the other worlds but eventually I would love to explore.

But if the fact here I'm hearing about is that people are claiming random plots of lands just to mine for their own ores without worrying, that's rather stupid and ruins the point of "survival".

I do agree with pre-approved safehouse plots though. That sound fair, especially in a large server like this.

EideticMemory : I think having land claimed in Genrody is a great idea, but the only disadvantage is that if you do claim land, then you claim all lands and caves under the surface which can include any ores and other blocks like gold and diamond ores which can cause problems. But other than that issue, I have no problem with this.

IgorBird122 : We'd probably investigate the ground underneath (using spectator mode) to make sure people weren't trying to claim just the best piece of land they can due to resources or whatever. No OP should authorize a claim without first confirming the intent using spectator mode.

I approve of the idea, assuming that an OP makes sure the claim fits certain predetermined conditions. If we decide to move forward with this idea, us OP's will have to come up with a list of qualifications (or disqualifications). Just to ensure that no one will have any doubts about the rules and such.

I also think we need to limit how many claims each person is entitled to. I believe that 3 sounds like a good number (again, assuming we move forward with the idea), simply because people tend to not just stay in one place all the time. Any OP-approved claim must have a command block with a message from an OP somewhere easily accessible on the property (non-OP's cannot edit command blocks, nor break them), stating the name of the OP who approved it, the date it was approved, how many claims the user has in genrody as of this claim (no need to update), and any special notes.

the ore underneath is such a non-issue if we restrict the amount of land people are allowed. A reasonable plot of land in a survival area doesn't need to be 100x100. I'm thriving on a 10x30 block with a farm and what not. I claimed the area because I have a huge collection of really nice stuff and it is a pain to cart it back to Vizzed Ville so I don't have to worry about being robbed from.

Genrody is so big it doesn't need a restriction on mining. All you need to do is run for 2 minutes and then start digging to find a ton of untapped resources.

geeogree : Technically, we haven't officially instated this rule. Claiming is still banned in genrody, so unless another OP approved it then that claim technically isn't allowed yet. We've got 3/5 OP support so far, so it sounds like it'll get approved. Therefore, I won't ask you to unclaim it right now. Just saying that it's a possibility in the future.

Note - New claims are still banned without express OP approval, and the OP's haven't really even decided whether to allow claiming at all.

EideticMemory : I agree, but wouldn't the claimers just get the resources under the area they claimed and made sure they weren't allowed to take resources anywhere else?

miystery : Not at all. As Geeo said, Genrody is a vast and resource-rich world. Limiting you to just mining under your claim(s) would be pointless, as 90% of Genrody would never be mined. If we went through with this idea, you would NOT be limited in where you could mine. You, of course, could not mine in the claims of others though.

mrfe : True, I see what is wrong with my logic, but wouldn't it be harder to find resources or would someone renew them?

miystery : It could be potentially harder to find resources, but in all honesty about 10% of genrody (at most) will be claimed overall. There aren't enough active players on the server for that to be an actual problem.

mrfe : I guess that's true, I mean, I don't go to Genrody very much (once or twice) and I don't see very many people on there either.

I like the idea. Especially fe's version of the idea. I feel like claims should be allowed to a certain extent due to some conditions of how genrody is and all. Although an issue i would like to address is the fact that the server will be updated and was wondering what would happen once it did since the only way to get 1.8 in gen is to load new chunks. I had a few thoughts on how we could fix this, but im not sure which one would benefit people more or be less of a hassle for david to do/for us to upkeep on. If any of the OPs are interested in my idea, PM me please and ill get to it eventually.

So it looks like the general consensus is for claims to be legitimized. And all non-David OPs have agreed.

A few questions need to be tackled:
- Will all claims be OP-made, and making it easier to regulate size and location?
- What restrictions should be made? Specific sizes?
- How many claims will any one particular user be limited to?
- If I can convince David to add this plugin to the server, will we even need Genrody claims?
http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/chest-protect/

- Anything else that you think might be essential to ask.

I'll summon everyone who's given input.
Snowdeath :
IgorBird122 :
mrfe :
geeogree :
miystery :
Pokefreak219 :

Pokefreak219 : Quick question: Wouldn't the update cause problems? What I mean is, the new mobs and new craftable items, will they mess up the system or something?

EideticMemory :

1) Claims should be OP-made in my opinion. I would rather that be the rule than allow anyone to make claims.
2) I think 50x50 at the most (or a variation of that). I also think the area right around the portal should be built into a REAL community safe house/storage/farm with a larger plot claim that is open to use but not change (not sure how hard that would be).
3) 1 claim per user.
4) Chest protect would be an option but I would prefer claims. I like having full claim over the land I use and not just protected chests. It is a possible solution though.

I would like to force any claims to be 200+ blocks away from the portal (or more). It would be nice to have a general area right around the portal that is used for mining for the community and force the regulars out further into the world because we spend more time out there and are prepared/equipped for it.

Also, can we get some warning before the update. Is there a way to protect the land claims so they don't get updated? I would be absolutely pissed if my stuff got wiped during the update. I'm around enough not to miss it but not sure about other people with claims in Genrody.

geeogree : Thanks for your input.

The OPs will be looking into the issue, and we'll decide how best to save Genrody structures. I know Pokefreak219 said that she had a few ideas, and I'm sure that we'd at least copy/paste the structures manually.

As for a larger safe area around the Portal, that's definitely possible. I'll need to ask the other OPs about the logistics of doing that, but it sounds like a neat idea and I'm willing to give it a try.

Not to derail the thread, but what do you think about a larger Genrody safe area?:
Pokefreak219 :
IgorBird122 :
mrfe :

Perhaps we can hit two birds with one stone.

I'd be more than willing to help build it somehow and provide a lot of the starting stuff for it. I've got TONS of drops and random items that I don't use but might be useful for others. I've also got an even better storage idea than what I've been using to date.

I'm going to revive this, with also a question about whether you think this should be implemented for Greenerous.

I've heard reports of excessive griefing, which is why I'm bringing this back up.

EideticMemory : I've already claimed my land because I got robbed. Nothing exceptional because I kept that in Vizzed Ville.

I think claims are okay in order to cover storage but nothing too large.

EideticMemory :
geeogree :

I'm all in favor of 1 claim per person, per survival world. However, the claims must be OP-made, and the owner of the plot would have full permissions (and could give permissions to those they choose). This is just to ensure that no one will try to enlarge their plots. I'd also recommend a sign on the plot, specifying who owns it, but that's not really a big deal.