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09-05-14 08:39 AM
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In Las Vegas, a little girls and her family went the "Burgers and Bullets", where after eating, you get to try a gun in a shooting range.

In the state, you must be 18 to carry a gun, but there is no law about firearms and age when on private land or when a child is accompanied by an adult. So the little girl was instructed to shoot an Uzi, and when put on Full-Auto, the recoil pushed her hand toward her instructor and shot him in the head.

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My issues and questions about this are: Why the hell is a 9-year-old allowed to shoot a gun by her parents and the the owners of the establishment? Shouldn't there be some more strict rules about children using guns?

It's not only for the immediate safety of the people around the child, but also because if you teach a 9-year-old how to shoot, they will not forget. Later they may find a gun, and think "hey, I can use this", and use it. What is the purpose of instructing a child how to shoot a Uzi, anyway?

The mentality of her parents and those running the restaurant baffles me.
In Las Vegas, a little girls and her family went the "Burgers and Bullets", where after eating, you get to try a gun in a shooting range.

In the state, you must be 18 to carry a gun, but there is no law about firearms and age when on private land or when a child is accompanied by an adult. So the little girl was instructed to shoot an Uzi, and when put on Full-Auto, the recoil pushed her hand toward her instructor and shot him in the head.

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My issues and questions about this are: Why the hell is a 9-year-old allowed to shoot a gun by her parents and the the owners of the establishment? Shouldn't there be some more strict rules about children using guns?

It's not only for the immediate safety of the people around the child, but also because if you teach a 9-year-old how to shoot, they will not forget. Later they may find a gun, and think "hey, I can use this", and use it. What is the purpose of instructing a child how to shoot a Uzi, anyway?

The mentality of her parents and those running the restaurant baffles me.
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Wow

This is just...wow

I can't imagine any scenario were a 9 year should be firing anything beyond a bb gun
Much less an Uzi!

The guy should have been behind her, not beside her
But....she should have never been shooting an uzi anyway, so...

And to head off the argument, instilling a child with respect for guns, and taking them to the range to shoot it up are two different things.
In my opinion at least
Wow

This is just...wow

I can't imagine any scenario were a 9 year should be firing anything beyond a bb gun
Much less an Uzi!

The guy should have been behind her, not beside her
But....she should have never been shooting an uzi anyway, so...

And to head off the argument, instilling a child with respect for guns, and taking them to the range to shoot it up are two different things.
In my opinion at least
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That's just… 
Bad...
Who would allow a 9 years old girl to shoot an uzi?!?!?! D:
That's just… 
Bad...
Who would allow a 9 years old girl to shoot an uzi?!?!?! D:
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My husband told me about this a day or two ago.  His issue was not with the 9 year old handling a gun, but with the 9 year old handling an Uzi in particular.  I had no idea that it was a -restaurant- though, or that any restaurants even offer that kind of service. 

What further baffles me.... if the instructors supposedly deal with this on a daily basis, shouldn't they know their guns well enough that such an incident could have been prevented?  You'd think that the instructor should understand how the kickback of an Uzi might affect such a tiny body.

Also, can you imagine how traumatized this little girl must be from the incident?
My husband told me about this a day or two ago.  His issue was not with the 9 year old handling a gun, but with the 9 year old handling an Uzi in particular.  I had no idea that it was a -restaurant- though, or that any restaurants even offer that kind of service. 

What further baffles me.... if the instructors supposedly deal with this on a daily basis, shouldn't they know their guns well enough that such an incident could have been prevented?  You'd think that the instructor should understand how the kickback of an Uzi might affect such a tiny body.

Also, can you imagine how traumatized this little girl must be from the incident?
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Saw this a week ago or so. Wasnt surprised to see it was such ayoung kid. Theres a program thats been on uk tv recently called kids and guns, about kids that are taught to use guns by their parents. There was a little girl in tears because she hated guns but her dad insisted she had to know how to defend herself.
There was also a mother who bought her kid a junior rifle. He dissapeared and after searching they found him dead, he'd tripped and shot himself with the rifle.
Guns are not taken seriously by a lot of people. Kids have poor judgement and make a lot of mistakes, its not a good mix at all In this case the uzi was apparently set to single shot but it got changed by accident to full automatic. Why they werent using a simple, weak pistol I dont know.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kids-and-guns
Saw this a week ago or so. Wasnt surprised to see it was such ayoung kid. Theres a program thats been on uk tv recently called kids and guns, about kids that are taught to use guns by their parents. There was a little girl in tears because she hated guns but her dad insisted she had to know how to defend herself.
There was also a mother who bought her kid a junior rifle. He dissapeared and after searching they found him dead, he'd tripped and shot himself with the rifle.
Guns are not taken seriously by a lot of people. Kids have poor judgement and make a lot of mistakes, its not a good mix at all In this case the uzi was apparently set to single shot but it got changed by accident to full automatic. Why they werent using a simple, weak pistol I dont know.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kids-and-guns
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I saw this story a while ago and it is a very sad and should have been a very avoidable accident. It's just poor judgement and a surprising lack of common sense considering that these people are supposed to be professionals ( Former military or police ) operating at this range.
I saw this story a while ago and it is a very sad and should have been a very avoidable accident. It's just poor judgement and a surprising lack of common sense considering that these people are supposed to be professionals ( Former military or police ) operating at this range.
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What is the world coming too.....thats just plain wrong to do and stuff. I actually feel sorry for that child...
What is the world coming too.....thats just plain wrong to do and stuff. I actually feel sorry for that child...
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Geez. I heard this on a few newspapers and on The Amazing Atheists channel. Shouldn't have allowed a nine year old to do that.
Geez. I heard this on a few newspapers and on The Amazing Atheists channel. Shouldn't have allowed a nine year old to do that.
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I saw this issue a while ago, but it really has still been unsettling. 

"My issues and questions about this are: Why the hell is a 9-year-old allowed to shoot a gun by her parents and the the owners of the establishment? Shouldn't there be some more strict rules about children using guns?
It's not only for the immediate safety of the people around the child, but also because if you teach a 9-year-old how to shoot, they will not forget. Later they may find a gun, and think "hey, I can use this", and use it. What is the purpose of instructing a child how to shoot a Uzi, anyway?
The mentality of her parents and those running the restaurant baffles me." 

>Insert something stupid about second amendment rights. 

The whole situation was ridiculous. As you seem to have pointed out that it would both be pointless, and generally not a good idea to let a 9 year old use an uzi. Then again, she seemed to be fine with it on semi-automatic mode. The instructor should have known that the automatic mode had a ton of kickback, and AT THE VERY LEAST, should have made that mode off-limits (or if it was an accident, then better tried to prevent the accidental hitting of the switch, or, you know, not give nine year olds weapons). Now the little girl has to live with knowing that she's killed someone. This was just utter foolishness, and could have very easily been prevented. 
I saw this issue a while ago, but it really has still been unsettling. 

"My issues and questions about this are: Why the hell is a 9-year-old allowed to shoot a gun by her parents and the the owners of the establishment? Shouldn't there be some more strict rules about children using guns?
It's not only for the immediate safety of the people around the child, but also because if you teach a 9-year-old how to shoot, they will not forget. Later they may find a gun, and think "hey, I can use this", and use it. What is the purpose of instructing a child how to shoot a Uzi, anyway?
The mentality of her parents and those running the restaurant baffles me." 

>Insert something stupid about second amendment rights. 

The whole situation was ridiculous. As you seem to have pointed out that it would both be pointless, and generally not a good idea to let a 9 year old use an uzi. Then again, she seemed to be fine with it on semi-automatic mode. The instructor should have known that the automatic mode had a ton of kickback, and AT THE VERY LEAST, should have made that mode off-limits (or if it was an accident, then better tried to prevent the accidental hitting of the switch, or, you know, not give nine year olds weapons). Now the little girl has to live with knowing that she's killed someone. This was just utter foolishness, and could have very easily been prevented. 
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I don't have a problem with guns. That is, when people are responsible with them. This is the problem I have with the 'gun nuts'. This is why I think there should be more rules applied to guns in this country. I am not for taking everyone's guns away (just so nobody gets that impression and makes this a gun control argument thread). But it is illegal to operate a vehicle without a license, even if it is not on state roads. Yet there is nothing illegal about handling a gun without a license because whoever owns the property says so? Reckless endangerment? Anyone who is shown to not show be responsible with guns should have their license taken away. All gun nuts care about is keeping their guns and having as many guns as they please. But it is usually going to be the gun nuts who treat guns like they are play things. They are the ones who post pictures of the gun they get as a gift with the caption "new toy". Giving children lethal weapons is completely irresponsible and I would have no issues with the parents who saw no harm in this to be labeled as unfit parents.
I don't have a problem with guns. That is, when people are responsible with them. This is the problem I have with the 'gun nuts'. This is why I think there should be more rules applied to guns in this country. I am not for taking everyone's guns away (just so nobody gets that impression and makes this a gun control argument thread). But it is illegal to operate a vehicle without a license, even if it is not on state roads. Yet there is nothing illegal about handling a gun without a license because whoever owns the property says so? Reckless endangerment? Anyone who is shown to not show be responsible with guns should have their license taken away. All gun nuts care about is keeping their guns and having as many guns as they please. But it is usually going to be the gun nuts who treat guns like they are play things. They are the ones who post pictures of the gun they get as a gift with the caption "new toy". Giving children lethal weapons is completely irresponsible and I would have no issues with the parents who saw no harm in this to be labeled as unfit parents.
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I don't have any problem with guns. Hell, I was in the military, so that should tell you something right there. 
One thing that I want to comment on though, LK, is that I think everybody should learn how to shoot a gun. That being said, some people are going to go off and do stupid stuff with that knowledge, but my opinion still stands. When I was growing up in Georgia, I would go hunting with my then step-aunt's husband. He had so many rifles and shotguns in their house, he just one day up and asked me if I wanted to learn how to shoot one. I said yes, and pointed to the one I wanted to use. From then on, that was hunting gun when I was aloud to shoot with him. 
I guess what I am trying to say is that I think everybody should know how to use a gun, but if it is a minor, then they should have supervision, and only certain guns should be allowed. An Uzi has a crap load of recoil, and from the sounds of that there article, she was a tiny little thing, so they should have known she would not have been able to handle it. 
I don't have any problem with guns. Hell, I was in the military, so that should tell you something right there. 
One thing that I want to comment on though, LK, is that I think everybody should learn how to shoot a gun. That being said, some people are going to go off and do stupid stuff with that knowledge, but my opinion still stands. When I was growing up in Georgia, I would go hunting with my then step-aunt's husband. He had so many rifles and shotguns in their house, he just one day up and asked me if I wanted to learn how to shoot one. I said yes, and pointed to the one I wanted to use. From then on, that was hunting gun when I was aloud to shoot with him. 
I guess what I am trying to say is that I think everybody should know how to use a gun, but if it is a minor, then they should have supervision, and only certain guns should be allowed. An Uzi has a crap load of recoil, and from the sounds of that there article, she was a tiny little thing, so they should have known she would not have been able to handle it. 
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This needs to get into Darwin Death Awards...
How stupid do you have to be to give a young child an Uzi, a weapon with a high amount of recoil, set to FULL-automatic (accident or not it doesn't take much for a curios child to flick a switch). Something horrific was bound to happen and as sicken as it sounds I'm glad it killed the "instructor" and not the child.

It's insane to give a child a gun let alone a full-auto Uzi
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How stupid do you have to be to give a young child an Uzi, a weapon with a high amount of recoil, set to FULL-automatic (accident or not it doesn't take much for a curios child to flick a switch). Something horrific was bound to happen and as sicken as it sounds I'm glad it killed the "instructor" and not the child.

It's insane to give a child a gun let alone a full-auto Uzi
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Guns are not toys. They are tools, and very dangerous tools at that. Though knowing how to use such a tool is always a good idea... use some common sense people. Don't give uzis to small children.
Guns are not toys. They are tools, and very dangerous tools at that. Though knowing how to use such a tool is always a good idea... use some common sense people. Don't give uzis to small children.
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That just sounds absolutely ridiculous, in my opinion. I don't really have any problem with children shooting guns, but I believe everyone has to go through some kind of test to see if you can actually be responsible enough to handle a gun. All you have to do to own a gun is be 18 years old and fill out some paperwork. I think everyone that wants to own a gun should take an accuracy test. Have them shoot at a target, and see if they can actually hit what they're shooting at.

Anyways, back to the little girl. It sounds like she obviously had no prior experience with a gun. People shouldn't be even able to touch a gun if they don't have a license to - especially if they have no experience. If she went through some kind of training with guns, it might be okay. But even then, I would still be skeptical.
That just sounds absolutely ridiculous, in my opinion. I don't really have any problem with children shooting guns, but I believe everyone has to go through some kind of test to see if you can actually be responsible enough to handle a gun. All you have to do to own a gun is be 18 years old and fill out some paperwork. I think everyone that wants to own a gun should take an accuracy test. Have them shoot at a target, and see if they can actually hit what they're shooting at.

Anyways, back to the little girl. It sounds like she obviously had no prior experience with a gun. People shouldn't be even able to touch a gun if they don't have a license to - especially if they have no experience. If she went through some kind of training with guns, it might be okay. But even then, I would still be skeptical.
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I don't have a problem with guns in general or even kids using guns with supervision(I was allowed to fire a bolt action rifle and bow in the boy scouts). I would actually encourage it depending on where you live(like somewhere in Alaska). It sounds like the supervisor got complacent and didn't take safety seriously here.
I don't have a problem with guns in general or even kids using guns with supervision(I was allowed to fire a bolt action rifle and bow in the boy scouts). I would actually encourage it depending on where you live(like somewhere in Alaska). It sounds like the supervisor got complacent and didn't take safety seriously here.
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... WHY?!?!? What were they THINKING?!?! I... I just... I have NO words to describe how stupid it is to give a 9 year old a gun. (Burgers and Bullets just scream BAD IDEA) Are parents just getting more irresponsible these days? First, the 5 year-olds playing Call of Duty and watching R rated movies, now THIS? What is this world coming to? The government should do something about this, instead of doing stupid stuff like changing the menus in school lunches. I am outraged that they let something like this happen. Kids should not have guns PERIOD. The parents should not use their guns unless there is a BIG emergency. Why isn't there a law preventing this? Our government is STUPID! (No offense to any government workers out there. I'm not saying YOU are stupid, I'm saying the government as a WHOLE is stupid.)
... WHY?!?!? What were they THINKING?!?! I... I just... I have NO words to describe how stupid it is to give a 9 year old a gun. (Burgers and Bullets just scream BAD IDEA) Are parents just getting more irresponsible these days? First, the 5 year-olds playing Call of Duty and watching R rated movies, now THIS? What is this world coming to? The government should do something about this, instead of doing stupid stuff like changing the menus in school lunches. I am outraged that they let something like this happen. Kids should not have guns PERIOD. The parents should not use their guns unless there is a BIG emergency. Why isn't there a law preventing this? Our government is STUPID! (No offense to any government workers out there. I'm not saying YOU are stupid, I'm saying the government as a WHOLE is stupid.)
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dcpenguin : A law preventing what? Kids can't own guns. Teaching them to use guns safely isn't a bad idea. He should have been holding the gun with her. There's no point in having a gun for emergencies if no one knows how to use it.
dcpenguin : A law preventing what? Kids can't own guns. Teaching them to use guns safely isn't a bad idea. He should have been holding the gun with her. There's no point in having a gun for emergencies if no one knows how to use it.
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Vincent1875 : I think the kid should be... I dunno, 16 before they can shoot a gun. I guess the guy COULD have been holding the gun with her, you're right there, but I just think it's wrong to GIVE her a gun in the first place. And the parents would know how to use the gun for an emergency.
Vincent1875 : I think the kid should be... I dunno, 16 before they can shoot a gun. I guess the guy COULD have been holding the gun with her, you're right there, but I just think it's wrong to GIVE her a gun in the first place. And the parents would know how to use the gun for an emergency.
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dcpenguin : Why? What if they live in the wilderness like Alaska where knowing how to shoot a gun could be considered a basic survival skill and there's only one police officer per every few 500 or so miles? What if your family feeds itself by hunting? There's no real logical reason why 16 years old should be the cut off age. There are people in this country who use their guns for more than shooting things for fun.
dcpenguin : Why? What if they live in the wilderness like Alaska where knowing how to shoot a gun could be considered a basic survival skill and there's only one police officer per every few 500 or so miles? What if your family feeds itself by hunting? There's no real logical reason why 16 years old should be the cut off age. There are people in this country who use their guns for more than shooting things for fun.
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Vincent1875 : You DO make a good point, I didn't think about that. Maybe it could be validated by weight instead of age? Like, you need to weigh at least 200 lbs. to use an Uzi? Or maybe it can be sorted by both. I'm not sure. The point I guess I'm trying to make here is that, since the recoil caused the man to die, she might have prevented it by being heavier. (WOW, that sounded better in my head.) You know what, I'm gonna blame the restaurant. The whole idea of Burgers and Bullets is just screaming "Accident". I don't care if it is a legal organization, SOMEBODY should be getting sued.
Vincent1875 : You DO make a good point, I didn't think about that. Maybe it could be validated by weight instead of age? Like, you need to weigh at least 200 lbs. to use an Uzi? Or maybe it can be sorted by both. I'm not sure. The point I guess I'm trying to make here is that, since the recoil caused the man to die, she might have prevented it by being heavier. (WOW, that sounded better in my head.) You know what, I'm gonna blame the restaurant. The whole idea of Burgers and Bullets is just screaming "Accident". I don't care if it is a legal organization, SOMEBODY should be getting sued.
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