So, for the past 3 or so days... I've been watching people on here begin to post shorter and shorter, now... I understand that 90% of those people are newbies, but even so... we are starting to get too many newbies starting threads with LESS than 20 words now.

And most of them are automatically trying to do reviews and all they put is:

"I like this game. It was fun. I had a good time. It was hard."

And it's just like...

I mean come on, many of you are telling me "I should be easier on these newbies"... may I remind you that I was only a newbie 5-7 days ago, and I had already earned up 1000 Contribution Points in 4 days and all (or at least MOST) of my posts were around 100 words or more (except for the small "minor" replies to other peoples threads).

But I mean seriously, if you start your own thread... I believe the word requirement should be at least 50+ or more... that way it's not just "I like pokemon, how about you?" And newbies shouldn't be able to create reviews should automatically be deleted if they are less than 100 words, cause otherwise you're allowing them to break the rules and that's kind of unfair to the rest of us... you can't go easy on someone just because they are new.

Sure, you can't compare it to sports... but in a way you can. The only way they will get better is if you push them and encourage them that they can do better... not by hugging them and saying "better luck next time". Psh, what's wrong with you all...?

Like, I want to feel sorry for them and all... but how can I go easy on people who don't even READ the rules? Heck, I didn't even read the rules and I knew ahead of time "if I post something stupid, people are going to be nagging on me for a long time because I posted something a**nine."

Like, where's the common sense on here people... you can't just keep being easy on people, that's why so many people keep doing the same thing wrong over and over again. Heck, I even started making a few "nice" replies explaining that their posts should contain at least 50 words and add some of your own character to it, add your opinions and your feelings about the game, give us your personal insight... but no, doing that didn't fix anything... so, when is there going to be a way to finally fix the whole "newbie spamming" going on?

Heck, most of them when they do a review... they don't even give information about the game, let alone any parts of it... it's generally 50 words or less saying: "I really enjoyed playing this game, it was much different from the other games and I think you should play it."

I mean seriously... doesn't anyone else see the logic in fixing the newbie posting concept, cause otherwise our moderators are also going to have to keep being contacted cause newbies are going to keep posting SHORT reviews.

Isn't a review supposed to be 100 words or more... and yet, most of them post less than 30, and maybe a little more than 20.


Sure, we don't want to drive them away... but at the same time, babysitting them isn't going to make them go "oh, maybe I should post more." Heck, someone else on here I gave some advice to and said "you should try to increase your post size, give us maybe some opinions or feelings about the game"... and it's been a while now (almost an hour or so) and nothing changed, all I got in response was "oh, I like pokemon"

And I'm just like "you kidding me?"

Sure yeah, I don't have to reply to these posts... but if you want me to be nice to these newbies, these newbies should like... I don't know... READ THE RULES, hmmm?

Heck, even this posts is about 500+ words long... and I didn't even put much thought into it.

Well in some threads there isn't really to say but the people that do create a thread that only has fifty words or less actually lose vizz so pretty much they already suffer from it.

austipokedude: It costs about 10 Viz to make a thread, and you can earn about 10 Viz replying to one... it kind of balances itself out, if you know what I mean.

I just figured, common sense should tell us to actually "TRY" to post something... not just say something random and hope people reply to us. Heck, that space they take up with their thread that just randomly shows up is kind of like "you know, someone else could have been there, but instead you took the "new post" spot".

Get what I'm saying... basically, it's hard enough to reply to new posts (when most of them are just threads being bumped over and over again)... but it's also more annoying to see most of the new posts are newbies with less than 20 words in their post. Like I said, I understand that we should be "nice" to them and all... but they should like, I don't know... learn to read the rules you know?

You should be nicer to newbies. Just because you had high Contribution Points and long posts doesn't mean everyone else does to. You're 20. Most of the people on this site who have low posts are 9- 13 years old. You shouldn't ecpect everyone to be good and dedicated to stuff like this.

There are some threads that should be short. Like in the crazy house there are some threads with less than 50 words. If this happens then we will start to see less threads being made which would hurt the site.

Some reviews are bad and some are good. That's why we have an option to rate reviews. You don't have to read reviews with low ratings. Also being harsh on newbies is "flaming" and you may get banned for it.

We are aware of people not reading the rules. If someone breaks the rule it isn't a HUGE problem. What do you suggest we do about people not reading the rules?

This thread is long, but most of it is unnecessary.

earthwarrior : Not to go against you earthwarrior, I know I haven't been here long... but if you didn't know, most of these "threads" are repeats of other threads just renamed with a new word. Like... instead of saying "what's your favorite pokemon?" people create a new thread saying "what's your favorite pokemon from generation I?"

To be honest, couldn't you have just made your previous thread into an extended thing like "what's your favorite pokemon for each generation and then what is your overall favorite pokemon?"

Seriously earthwarrior, you sound like you'd be a really bad parent... no offense man, but patting your child on the head every time they do something wrong isn't going to make them do something right. Sometimes you just got to smack that kid on the butt and tell them "no", like yeah... a thread and forum site isn't the same, but you should understand the logic... I'm pretty sure you are much older than me, plus you've been here longer than me.

This has nothing to do with how much I post, I'd be glad with just at least 50 words in their post... that way there is something to actually reply to besides "so, I like pokemon... how about you?".

Plus, if there are kids who are like 8 years old or younger on here... and there are MATURE games on here with profanity and such, wouldn't that be kind of contradicting? I mean, how do you know someone on here hasn't put their age to like 18 or something just so people wouldn't think they are 13 or younger?

And then, jumping on me for "flaming"... wow, way to try and change the subject man. All I see in your post is you trying to change the subject... I'm just saying, wouldn't it reduce the number of USELESS posts if they were made to be a little more "extended"... that way, I don't know... maybe these "children" can like use their brains.

Perfect example you are setting for our younger members "don't do any kind of work, we'll still pat you on the head and tell you it's okay." Heck, sure mine is saying "work hard or you won't get anything"... but at least it motivates them to use their brains, rather than go "okay, I guess I can just post 10 words or less every time and nobody will mind."

I'm pretty sure the moderators here are really tired of being called for every post that is like... shorter than a strand of hair on my head. Plus, I see you people comment on their posts posting LOCAL MODS and such... so don't give me that BS, you guys spend just as much time bringing this problem to the local mods as I do trying to hopefully decrease the lack of determination and attention.

Except for we are not there parents.Increasing post requirement size would pretty much encourage spamming if you think about it if they do not follow the rules that pretty much gives them a ban if they keep doing it even after the ban that pretty much gives them a perma ban.

austipokedude : That, I am sure we can agree on... but couldn't they spam doing the same thing with LESS to post? Like using spam as a "shield" for this subject kind of won't work. They can spam just as much posting little posts with just a few words, the same amount they could do spamming with a whole paragraph.

At least if you spam with a paragraph, that means you actually thought of something to say besides "I don't like this". Then all they would have to do is make a review for each game saying "I don't like this."

Seriously, spam cannot be your little "excuse" for this... they can spam just as much if they didn't post anything at all than if they would have posted a whole bunch. Either way, they would get banned... and how about this banned ordeal, from what I have heard from other members... banned members can still come on here and send private messages to people... so that's not going to fix the spamming and trolling thing either.

Remember, you guys have to think outside the box... that way, when someone steps into the box... they won't break it. Heck, I just earned a trust point... want to know why, cause I'm honest and I understand both sides.

On one hand, yeah... they deserve a break... but on the other hand, they don't deserve breaks all the time. And then many people post in their short little things LOCAL MODS and then the mods show up and have to resolve an issue that could have been probably stopped if they were required to post more.

Heck, even earthwarrior was insulting their intelligence apparently... saying that they don't need to post more because they are newbies. Makes sense, because you're a newbie... you're stupid, so you don't need to post a lot. Until you become a member, then you can be stupid.

With me, I'm trying to come up with some sort of solution or idea as a way to help people on here do better... like how's about this, the moment someone new joins... it automatically takes them to the rules, then they will be judged based on the rules and then they will be required to post a 50 word paragraph in response.

How's about that... that way ahead of time you know who isn't willing to try and who is willing to try.

Seriously, just because they are newbies doesn't mean they CAN'T post a lot... and just because they are young doesn't mean they don't know how to post a lot. Heck, I know kids on facebook who can post up to 5 paragraphs of how much they hate someone... yet on here they can't post even 50 words on how much they love this game?

Where is the logic in that... hmmm?

Yeah I am kind of divided among this, yeah some people shouldn't make worthless puny posts when they are reviewing something and they should make it worth while because it would just be a waste of time to do it like that. But if they are newbies then they are probably just figuring tings out for the first time and they are trying to fit in but I can understand where you are coming from with that. Now if they are a member or better than they should know vizzed's expectations and they should make more detailed reviews and not make them so brief, they should know the requirements are over 100 words at the minimum but I think that a good review should be much longer than that.

I am also with Earthwarrior on this one too because some members of vizzed are younger and have lots of after school activities and they go to school for hours a day so they don't have the time to make long detailed reviews because of either sports or homework or a combination of things that contribute to their lack of detail. And some of them may be younger and they may not know how to be detailed or descriptive like more experienced vizzed users, so maybe they can't help it. But I agree though that if they are an experienced user they should avoid making like 10 word reviews because they know better, but yes I understand the point you are trying to make here.

Razor-987 : Well, the way I see it... I think all newbies should be at least required to read the rules or something you know? Like yeah... if we can't get them to post 50 or more words since they have school and all (which if they have school and all, they shouldn't be here... and why would you be here if you weren't busy? Cause if you are busy, then you shouldn't be here... duh, common sense).

I just figured, the only way to teach someone something new is to actually teach them... to guide them. But if all you do is pat them on the back and say "better luck next time", it's kind of like saying "it's alright, you did your best." Even though they didn't really even do anything.

Like I said, I understand where everyone is coming from... but even a newbie should know how to read, and if they know how to read... then they should know the rules or at least read them.

That way, if they have questions... they can always post those questions as a thread, which would make the thread about 40 words or more depending on how many questions they have.

Plus, if they have the time to make a thread and then read our replies... they obviously have the time to make a long reply since most of our replies are pretty long if I do say so myself.

Reply to your post to me:

There is nothing wrong with similar threads as long as they aren't duplicates. If the mods feel that threads are too similar then they would of closed it. I believe that thread is still open so obviously the mods must of thought it was good.

Smacking them every time they do something wrong is child abuse.
I'm younger than you. I'm 13.

There are warning in the rgr that say mature if a game isn't appropriate for younger users. If their parents don't want them to do stuff like that then they should monitor what they do.

We can't stop people putting the wrong age. Again the parents should monitor them sometimes to make sure they aren't doing bad things.

And you are pretty much flaming. "maybe be these "children" can like use their brains". That was pretty rude. You are basically saying they aren't good by putting quotes around the word children.

If the locals don't want people summoning them then they would either tell them to stop or they would quit. Why be a local if you can't handle it?

I'm gonna ask you one question. When you were a kid did you ever make a mistake?


Reply to your post to autipokedude:

If banned users spam in private messages then they could be perma banned.

And I never said "they don't need to post more because they are newbies" don't put words into people's mouths.

I want to point out on Earthwarrior's previous post that made alot of sense if there are a option to rate a review wouldn't that make the ones and twos useless?You can't just punish a child for making one little mistake it is not there fault look where the rules are located at.Besides reviews have to be more then 100 words from your posts and the thread title you been saying 50 so what good would that do?Vizzed can be a little trouble navigating especially when someone never visited a forum before do you expect them to know what to do where to go first?No of course not yes it would save the mods trouble but think about the jobs of a mod.There purpose is to keep the forums intact am I correct well what if there was nothing to correct?What purpose would the mods serve?

earthwarrior : See, this is the problem with "kids". Now, pay CLOSE attention my friend... I didn't say you had to smack them for everything, but giving them nothing but hugs and kisses won't solve anything. That's like giving drunk people a prize for crashing their car. "Congrats on getting in a car accident, here's your prize".

Secondly, apparently my thread must be pretty good then... since the mods aren't removing it, now are they? If it was flaming, they would have removed it... wouldn't they? So there you go insulting the mods, since if my thread is flaming... then obviously you're saying that they just aren't bright enough to notice it. So either I'm a genius, or the mods are blind... that's kind of what you are hinting a even in the smallest of ways. Otherwise, by now... this would have been sent to the trash can, but it's still here... so it's a topic at hand that they might be thinking about.

Thirdly, now saying that being a moderator means you need to solve every problem because people can't be smart enough to figure it out themselves is both an insult to mods and to the posters. On one hand you are insulting people because you summon mods to fix a problem they couldn't fix themselves, and on the other hand... you are summoning mods to fix something that they probably could have noticed on their own, since after all... you did say "why be a local mod, if they can't handle it?"

Fourthly, you should try and review your own posts mr. earthwarror... about 5 minutes ago you commented on someone's post asking questions about their post, and instead of fixing it... all they did was "reply" to you. Therefore, you are kind of requesting them to put more information... you're just being too much of a sissy to tell them that straight up.

Fifthly, I also gave some ALTERNATE ideas that could solve this issue... such as giving them a guide, or restricting them from making reviews, or something else... I figure it this way:

You get 2 chances... 1st chance for everyone to criticize you and tell you what you are doing wrong, then the 2nd chance will be for you to learn from your mistakes.

It's a pretty simple process really, it seems logical and easier than constantly requesting moderators to remove a thread because it is short or because it is a copy of some other thread.

Also, in response to other people... why not just leave all the newbies in the NEWBIE zone. Like seriously, rather than having the fill up the member area with their constant short posts... that's kind of why we have a newbie area on here, for newbies. That way, us members or higher can criticize them and give them some help and insight on how to use this website.

So you can't tell me "I'm not trying to help", but apparently your logic is ruined by your inability to hold a decent conversation.

I'm just saying... a child cannot learn if all you do is baby them.

Also, if it was child abuse... I would actually have smacked them all around by now, at the moment... my hand isn't able to go through the screen and out the other side, so I can't smack them... even if I wanted to.


Local Mods: Please send this thread to the trash, after all... it's flaming or something, so also please deduct points and such since people can't have a logical conversation.

Yeah that last post made a lot of sense then the mods would have no purpose and that is why little mistakes like that give the mods a purpose. Also they might not be entirely familiar with the way vizzed works an plus maybe an extension on the word count may be a good idea to avoid spamming which has two spectrums when they make a 500 word post to a thread that might be when you woke up today or something simple like that and then on the other hand it might be a review and they will make a review that is like this sucks.


So maybe setting an extension to 50 words a post might not be a bad idea, it just all depends on the topic and the amount of material to discuss. I am not saying that we should reward them and let them get away with making short posts that are worthless, but at the same time put into consideration that they are newbies and they are just figuring out the way this site works. I also think that this post extension should be in effect when there is a TDV because then of course they would have the advantage of making blue jersey which is most posts in a day if all of their posts are like 10 words and they are barely related to the topic, so yes I do think that in some circumstances that they should make their posts a little longer but not like an entire speech. But yes a nice little extension to the post limit would be useful to ensure that the posts can be relevant and therefore valid. Yeah and if they have the time they should consider asking questions because if the topic is very open there should be a lot to discuss so I agree with sacra on that.

Razor-987 :
sacraRain, May I point out this?
https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=59372&pl=805065
Someone who is fighting for 50 word posts makes a 17 word post.
Also he crazy house is full of less than 50 word posts. And sometimes it's necessary to have less than 10 words in fact. Davideo7 himself said so.

earthwarrior : You're fighting a losing war my friend... especially when you posted earlier-


"There are some threads that should be short. Like in the crazy house there are some threads with less than 50 words. If this happens then we will start to see less threads being made which would hurt the site."


I didn't start that thread that you posted a link to, so don't look at me like I did something wrong... most of your posts are less than 50 words as well... so you can't exactly talk (especially since you've been here longer than me); and remember I said if you START a thread or review it should be at least 50 words or more... so trying to jump on me, kind of doesn't work when you can't even remember what you previously said.


So yeah, let's keep crazy house threads short... since well, it's a place to be crazy... but come on, a lot of these review threads are pretty dang short and don't even give enough information.

I'm in the neutral area with this idea because in some forums like crazy house you just can't have long and lengthy post replies although in other areas like debate and logic forums(or what ever its called)yes because those conversations normally require a bit more thought into what you post.

SacraRain : From what I see he is winning just look at the results above.Actually from the thread's title it says post not thread so pretty much what you said is starting to make me wonder if you even read what you type.

marcus047 : Well, if anyone was reading my thread... it was about when you "start a thread". Posts, I can understand... especially with so many people posting constantly... you never know when yours might just disappear because of all the other smaller posts... so might as well just follow along. For posts, I expect at least a sentence (which is about 20 words, maybe a little less depending on what you are replying to)... but in threads, obviously if you are trying to say something important... shouldn't you make it sound important?

Now if you are STARTING a new thread or making a review, that should be at least 50-100 words for a new thread and at least 100+ words for a review... after all, when you "start" something. But at the same time, I know some areas of this don't have to be all that "filled out" simply because those areas aren't designed for heavy conversations... in places such as general chat, reviews, and so on... each thread should be starting out with around 20+ words and hopefully at least 50+ words.

I can understand if you're doing a poll, obviously it's going to be kind of stupid to explain what soda is or what pokemon is... cause by now people can stop being lazy and look it up, so you have the right to be short there... but if you're doing a deep conversation kind of thread or you're doing a review... it should be pretty dang long, otherwise you just kind of wasted our time cause we were hoping to see what you had to say... but instead all you give is "oh, that's a fun game... I enjoyed it."

Then it's like "gee, you don't say...", get what I'm saying?

SacraRain : Out of curiosity why do you care about how long someone's post is, a post could be short and explain a topic better than a longer post, the only purpose for making a long post in my opinion is if your trying to go in depth when explaining something or writing a review. And besides very few people will actually care about or read a long post rather than a shorter straight to the point post.

marcus047 : Okay, let me re-explain this... I don't care about posts per se, I care about posts that are the starting thread.

Technically, it's still a post... but its the post that started the thread. I care about threads that are less than 50 words when it comes to things like reviews and game updates, and so on.

When it comes to the standard reply such as this one, I don't care if you put even 20 words... heck, put 5 words for all I care.

Nobody really was reading my first post on here (which is the start of the thread) that narrowed it all down... I don't mind posts being short, that's normal... many of us really don't want to type out 100+ words per post, heck I'm already at about 140 by now.

But at the same time, I know some threads don't have to be full of words because some of them are just for laughs or to see what others think... generally those ones are listed under questions and polls, or under other "important" and "meaningful" sub-forums. Those are kind of common and everyone can take a gander at...

But when you post a review saying something like this:

"So I was playing this game and well it was really difficult. I had a hard time, but it was fun and I figured I would make a review about it. There are a lot of enemies and a lot of challenges in this game, but some of them are easy. This is a good game and you should play it."

Like that isn't even 100 words, I'm sure of it (looks like 52 words plus a few single letters used as words like "I" and "a"), so that obviously shouldn't even be allowed to be a review... there isn't enough detail, not enough insight, not enough explanation.

Look at it this way, why post a review... if all you're going to say is "i liked it" x 10 or something? At least follow what everyone else does, I mean heck... if they are making reviews, then I'm sure they are viewing other reviews... and most of them have that little layout like this:


Graphics:

Sound:

Addictiveness:

Story:

Depth:

Difficulty:


And at most, each section has like 30 words or more... so that's about 180 words or more.


Or, if this can't be resolved that way... why not just contain the newbies to the newbies area... us members will still come in and chat in there if the newbies would like to talk... but at least our forums won't be filled up with stuff like:

"Hey I'm new here, so I wanted this to be my first thread."

Or something like that...