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06-07-12 08:10 PM
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I think that the should be allowed to marry. But I still don't like it. |
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Raveman : I find your rant rather more disgusting than you find gay relationships, just to let you know. I'm not trying to argue, just to say that what you think shouldn't be the standard on what we have to do. Even so, if you are so convinced that we are all mad e for this purpose of mating with our opposite gender, why is it that it has been proved that it is actually what's inside of you that decides whether or not you are going to be gay? If it wasn't meant to be that way, then why does whatever deity you worship stop it? |
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I think it should be allowed, just because your religion is against it doesn't mean that you should be able to take peoples rights away. Honestly they are not hurting anybody so who cares. |
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Personally, I'm not against gay marriage, but Christians are against it, but it's not because that person is a homosexual that I will be like "I hate homosexuals, don't come near me!", besides, homosexuals are nice people to talk with, they are cheering and happy, nice people to talk with. Everybody make their choices, and if they decided to be like that, no one have the right to change it, no one in the world is identical to someone else, everybody got their tastes, beliefs, likes, dislikes and opinion, not even our hand finger marks are identical to our other hand. We are what we are and no one can change us. Everybody make their choices, and if they decided to be like that, no one have the right to change it, no one in the world is identical to someone else, everybody got their tastes, beliefs, likes, dislikes and opinion, not even our hand finger marks are identical to our other hand. We are what we are and no one can change us. |
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The way I feel about homosexuality is the same way I feel about all sexual immorality; it is wrong. Because of this I stand against same-sex marriage. Marriage must be defined as a man and a woman and must be protected under freedom of religion. Legalizing same-sex marriage does not promote equal rights, it gives homosexuals special rights that violate the Christian faith. |
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AuraBlaze : That's absurd. When it comes down to something like this, the ideas and faith of any religion doesn't have the overbearing rule. It DOES give them Equal Rights, they are humans too, and they should be treated as such. How would you feel if you woke up to a world that is completely against you and your differences, blocking every rights you have because of one silly thing that is different between you and them? |
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MegaRevolution1 : God created me to be in the world and not of the world. With each passing day, the world is against me more and more. Gays and lesbians do have equal rights. They cannot be discriminated against by being disqualified for a job, education, etc. Marriage, on the other hand, is something that God specifically created and I cannot let that be changed just because someone else claims I am wrong. |
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AuraBlaze : But outside of religion, God did not create Marriage. Nobody TRULY created Marriage. And you're basically saying that they CAN be discriminated against by not being allowed to marry. There is no difference between marriage of a man and a woman, or two men, or two women. So what if it's the same gender? It's not like it's some alien creautre or an animal, these are human beings that we are talking about. Marriage was created for the binding of TWO HUMAN BEINGS. It was also said that slavery and acting as if women are property is also alright by God, yet I bet you're against that. Am I wrong?
Before you answer, I'm just gonna guess. You're against it because it's wrong and against good morals. Guess what, so is denying the rights for two loving human beings to marry. Before you answer, I'm just gonna guess. You're against it because it's wrong and against good morals. Guess what, so is denying the rights for two loving human beings to marry. |
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MegaRevolution1 : Just because you think something is right, it does not mean it is. Just because I can use profanity in the U.S.A. does not mean I am guilt-free. Regardless of what you want to call the institution of marriage, the Now for the other things you asked about, what meanings do slavery and women as property have with this discussion? Are you bringing it up because my stance is based on the Bible? And for the record, I did not choose to follow God for the sake of morals as your last statement seems to imply. Now for the other things you asked about, what meanings do slavery and women as property have with this discussion? Are you bringing it up because my stance is based on the Bible? And for the record, I did not choose to follow God for the sake of morals as your last statement seems to imply. |
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AuraBlaze : "Just because you think something is right, it does not mean it is.", so by that, you are saying that it IS ok for people to discriminate them by saying they CAN NOT marry? Cause either way, that IS discrimination, whether you want to say it is or not. The only way you truly can justify that is with the Bible, and the Bible says a lot more on it that people avoid trying to do, that they SHOULD avoid doing.
" Just because I can use profanity in the U.S.A. does not mean I am guilt-free." Swearing and allowing two human beings to marry are two different things alltogether. Yes, those were brought in for that exact reason. And if you don't follow your God due to morals, then for what reason, being there shouldn't really be any others? Just for a free ticket due to ignorance to things like this? " Just because I can use profanity in the U.S.A. does not mean I am guilt-free." Swearing and allowing two human beings to marry are two different things alltogether. Yes, those were brought in for that exact reason. And if you don't follow your God due to morals, then for what reason, being there shouldn't really be any others? Just for a free ticket due to ignorance to things like this? |
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MegaRevolution1 : I never said, nor would I ever imply, that it was discrimination. That is your perspective. My perspective is that God created man and woman; not man and man.
"Swearing and allowing two human beings to marry are two different things alltogether." Expect both violate the laws God gave us. One is sexual immorality, the other is blasphemy, but both are sin; therefore, they equally carry the punishment of death. Slavery was an integral institution in Biblical times but it is irrelevant today. Rather we need to treat everyone fairly in all manner. Also, I have not seen anything in the Bible where it says women were property. The only things I know about women being considered property are from taking U.S. History I (1492-1860's) a year ago. I do not follow God for any reason other than it being found as truth. I do not claim to know everything exactly as it should be. God's Word is part of an ongoing learning experience. "Swearing and allowing two human beings to marry are two different things alltogether." Expect both violate the laws God gave us. One is sexual immorality, the other is blasphemy, but both are sin; therefore, they equally carry the punishment of death. Slavery was an integral institution in Biblical times but it is irrelevant today. Rather we need to treat everyone fairly in all manner. Also, I have not seen anything in the Bible where it says women were property. The only things I know about women being considered property are from taking U.S. History I (1492-1860's) a year ago. I do not follow God for any reason other than it being found as truth. I do not claim to know everything exactly as it should be. God's Word is part of an ongoing learning experience. |
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AuraBlaze : "Rather we need to treat everyone fairly in all manner."
That also goes by Marriage. So by that, how could you still say it's against what should be right and allowed? And did you SERIOUSLY just imply with "they equally carry the punishment of death." that people who swear and people who marry the same gender should both deserve to die? Cause if that's seriously what you meant, I'd try to find the lst bit of resppect I had for you to lose, but I'm sure there isn't any left anyways... That also goes by Marriage. So by that, how could you still say it's against what should be right and allowed? And did you SERIOUSLY just imply with "they equally carry the punishment of death." that people who swear and people who marry the same gender should both deserve to die? Cause if that's seriously what you meant, I'd try to find the lst bit of resppect I had for you to lose, but I'm sure there isn't any left anyways... |
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I just feel like pointing out, its ironic that religion is supposedly a good source of morals and promotes peace love and harmony, (acording to religious people)yet people refuse to allow others to validate there love for each other.
It was stated quite clearly when america became independent that church and state must be seperate, while churches can hold ceremonies its the federal government that actualy handles the marriages. Religion has no say(or at least it wouldnt if there werent so many frikin hypocrites). Its things like this that make me think, religion is the worst part of humanity. Promting inequality for 3000 years. Vote fundamentalism 2012. Preserving democracy, american style. The founding fathers would not be happy, america is not the same country they dreamed of. Equal rights for every man, yeh, that is apparently the american dream, but to make a dream reality you need to wake up first. Live your own life, dont act like a fascist and tell people what to do. If god is real he'll deal with it himself. This is all suposed to be a test right?then stop telling people what you think the answers are. That surely goes against 'gods will.' As far as the bible goes its made pretty clear only he can judge man, so dont try and live other peoples lifes. /rant. It was stated quite clearly when america became independent that church and state must be seperate, while churches can hold ceremonies its the federal government that actualy handles the marriages. Religion has no say(or at least it wouldnt if there werent so many frikin hypocrites). Its things like this that make me think, religion is the worst part of humanity. Promting inequality for 3000 years. Vote fundamentalism 2012. Preserving democracy, american style. The founding fathers would not be happy, america is not the same country they dreamed of. Equal rights for every man, yeh, that is apparently the american dream, but to make a dream reality you need to wake up first. Live your own life, dont act like a fascist and tell people what to do. If god is real he'll deal with it himself. This is all suposed to be a test right?then stop telling people what you think the answers are. That surely goes against 'gods will.' As far as the bible goes its made pretty clear only he can judge man, so dont try and live other peoples lifes. /rant. |
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MegaRevolution1 : 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness..." I can treat other people respectfully, but I have it must follow what the scriptures say. The meaning you insert into this goes against what the Bible says.
Romans chapter 6. Specifically verse 23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Both blasphemy and adultery carry the punishment for sin. Death of the spirit. This has gone back and forth between us long enough. My part in this thread is done. PM me if you want to continue the discussion. Romans chapter 6. Specifically verse 23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Both blasphemy and adultery carry the punishment for sin. Death of the spirit. This has gone back and forth between us long enough. My part in this thread is done. PM me if you want to continue the discussion. |
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AuraBlaze :
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I think a large part of the difference in opinion is simply a matter of religion honestly. I, being atheist, do not believe in Christ. As a result, I don't really see what's so immoral about allowing gay marriage... Let's journey outside the conventions of God for a moment... without factoring in religion, what's immoral about it? thenumberone : And I agree with you... it is kind of ironic that religion is supposed to be a good source of morals. I don't get why anyone can really oppose it honestly... if a man loves another man, why can't you let them love each other and get married? Why shouldn't they be able to get the same benefits just because they have a different set of genetalia? I have to respectfully disagree with you. I think a large part of the difference in opinion is simply a matter of religion honestly. I, being atheist, do not believe in Christ. As a result, I don't really see what's so immoral about allowing gay marriage... Let's journey outside the conventions of God for a moment... without factoring in religion, what's immoral about it? thenumberone : And I agree with you... it is kind of ironic that religion is supposed to be a good source of morals. I don't get why anyone can really oppose it honestly... if a man loves another man, why can't you let them love each other and get married? Why shouldn't they be able to get the same benefits just because they have a different set of genetalia? |
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legacyme3 : I cannot think of much concerning morality when everyone already goes by the politically correct stance of "do what you want as long as it does not harm me." The only thing I can point out is that allowing gay marriage is a slippery slope to allowing other forms of relationships. Below are links to two different cases. One is a woman you married a building in order to prevent it from being torn down, and the other is of a woman who married herself.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/seattle-woman-marries-building-protest-demolition-224250710.html http://www.andersoncooper.com/2012/05/23/daytime-exclusive-woman-marries-herself-in-ceremony/ If marriage is not defined as the http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/seattle-woman-marries-building-protest-demolition-224250710.html http://www.andersoncooper.com/2012/05/23/daytime-exclusive-woman-marries-herself-in-ceremony/ If marriage is not defined as the |
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At human beings marrying human beings. There will always be people who do stupid crap, like trying to marry buildings or themselves. Obviously, these are the trolls of society. Do we let trolls dictate the rules that we follow on the internet? No. And we shouldn't let them scare us off the path of getting to fair treatment for all men AND women. Granted, it will open the door for nutjobs to try and pass their own desires (such as marrying pets, marrying doors... I don't know) but I think everyone can agree that they are just that. Nutjobs. At human beings marrying human beings. There will always be people who do stupid crap, like trying to marry buildings or themselves. Obviously, these are the trolls of society. Do we let trolls dictate the rules that we follow on the internet? No. And we shouldn't let them scare us off the path of getting to fair treatment for all men AND women. Granted, it will open the door for nutjobs to try and pass their own desires (such as marrying pets, marrying doors... I don't know) but I think everyone can agree that they are just that. Nutjobs. |
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AuraBlaze : My friend, I have to say that much of what you have said on this thread alarms me. Mostly because you are largely talking in circles. You keep saying 'Everyone deserves equals rights' and then follow it up by saying 'however, homosexuals do not deserve equal rights, because God said so.' You then try to justify this contradiction by stating 'Marriage is a religious institution, thus is does not count as a right to be given out equally'. There is a giant fundamental flaw in that sentiment. Marriage was not created by religion. The concept of marriage pre-dates all the modern religions by thousands of years. Religion cannot lay claim to something that pre-dates it. Ergo, saying it is excluded from the list of 'Equal Rights for all humanity' is not more than a fallacy. The right to marry whom you love is a right that should be given to every human being, regardless of whether they love a man or a woman. You say that 'allowing homosexuals to marry is a slippery slope'? I say that refusing them the right to marry is an even worse slippery slope. If that sort of precedent is set, with the mindset of the word today, it would give people that claim marriages between interracial couples a firmer standing. And what about a couple that each practice a different religion? Or a couple that each hails from a different country? Believe me, there are many ignorant folks that would make such outlandish claims and then justify it by saying, 'Well if it's wrong for gays to marry, then...' You say that 'marriage must be defined by the You say 'with each passing day, the world is against me more and more.' Is that really how you feel? Is that really how many people of faith feel? Is this is the case, then I have to confess myself at a loss. Is it truly a matter that the world 'is turning on you', or is it more a matter that the world has passed you and your views of religion by in favor of more logical means of reasoning, and that people of faith resent this and are, in fact, the ones whom have turned on the world? There is a cold, hard fact that no person of faith wants to face. Their idea of religion, while it worked in the past, has become dated and irrelevant. Their religious views no longer fit in a logical way in the way the world is structured. You can stick to your guns and call it the 'disillusionment of man from God', if you like, but that really isn't the case. More so, it is that we has a species have finally begun to grasp what it means to learn. We are now capable of answering on our own all those questions that religion was created to explain. The role of religion as you see it in the modern world is as more of a crutch for those unwilling to think for themselves. One day, that crutch is going to disappear all-together. The real question is, 'will the people of faith be prepared for that day, or will they crumple and wither without their crutch?' Finally, you say 'Just because you think something is right, that does not mean that it is.' I strongly urge you to heed your own advice. People of faith have no more a right to think that they know better than any other individual. As with us all, they have no justification for such a view. You can point to the Bible, if you wish, but does the Bible truly count? It was written by hands of men, after all. The same 'men' that make up the humanity which you cannot put your faith in. Even were the Bible based on the Word of God, men have been allowed to tamper with it for centuries now. There have been changes made to the Bible, this is a fact you cannot deny. The Bible can no longer be considered a valid tool for proving the word of the Lord. This eliminates the only 'concrete' evidence people of faith possessed, placing them a the same boat as the rest of us. Now it is just one person's opinion against another person's opinion, with no means to prove conclusively which one, if either, is correct. As a conclusion, I would like to state that I am not going to try to dissuade you from your faith. That would be rather presumptuous of me. All I have intended with my words today is the set straight a few inaccuracies in logic which you seemed to be belaboring under. I mean no disrespect and expect none in return. Ultimately, we are two individuals of differing opinion sharing our views for the consideration of the other. If I came on strongly, especially there at the end, I do apologize. No ill will was intended. I do urge that you at least consider what I've said. You need not accept it, just think it over a bit. In the end, I hope you can at least come to accept that homosexuals deserve the right feel love for one another and be able to commiserate that love through the bond of marriage. If not, I understand. The rigidity of faith can be a hard thing to look past, and I would respect you for your dedication, if nothing else. I think I've said enough for the time being. Signing off for now, my friends. My friend, I have to say that much of what you have said on this thread alarms me. Mostly because you are largely talking in circles. You keep saying 'Everyone deserves equals rights' and then follow it up by saying 'however, homosexuals do not deserve equal rights, because God said so.' You then try to justify this contradiction by stating 'Marriage is a religious institution, thus is does not count as a right to be given out equally'. There is a giant fundamental flaw in that sentiment. Marriage was not created by religion. The concept of marriage pre-dates all the modern religions by thousands of years. Religion cannot lay claim to something that pre-dates it. Ergo, saying it is excluded from the list of 'Equal Rights for all humanity' is not more than a fallacy. The right to marry whom you love is a right that should be given to every human being, regardless of whether they love a man or a woman. You say that 'allowing homosexuals to marry is a slippery slope'? I say that refusing them the right to marry is an even worse slippery slope. If that sort of precedent is set, with the mindset of the word today, it would give people that claim marriages between interracial couples a firmer standing. And what about a couple that each practice a different religion? Or a couple that each hails from a different country? Believe me, there are many ignorant folks that would make such outlandish claims and then justify it by saying, 'Well if it's wrong for gays to marry, then...' You say that 'marriage must be defined by the You say 'with each passing day, the world is against me more and more.' Is that really how you feel? Is that really how many people of faith feel? Is this is the case, then I have to confess myself at a loss. Is it truly a matter that the world 'is turning on you', or is it more a matter that the world has passed you and your views of religion by in favor of more logical means of reasoning, and that people of faith resent this and are, in fact, the ones whom have turned on the world? There is a cold, hard fact that no person of faith wants to face. Their idea of religion, while it worked in the past, has become dated and irrelevant. Their religious views no longer fit in a logical way in the way the world is structured. You can stick to your guns and call it the 'disillusionment of man from God', if you like, but that really isn't the case. More so, it is that we has a species have finally begun to grasp what it means to learn. We are now capable of answering on our own all those questions that religion was created to explain. The role of religion as you see it in the modern world is as more of a crutch for those unwilling to think for themselves. One day, that crutch is going to disappear all-together. The real question is, 'will the people of faith be prepared for that day, or will they crumple and wither without their crutch?' Finally, you say 'Just because you think something is right, that does not mean that it is.' I strongly urge you to heed your own advice. People of faith have no more a right to think that they know better than any other individual. As with us all, they have no justification for such a view. You can point to the Bible, if you wish, but does the Bible truly count? It was written by hands of men, after all. The same 'men' that make up the humanity which you cannot put your faith in. Even were the Bible based on the Word of God, men have been allowed to tamper with it for centuries now. There have been changes made to the Bible, this is a fact you cannot deny. The Bible can no longer be considered a valid tool for proving the word of the Lord. This eliminates the only 'concrete' evidence people of faith possessed, placing them a the same boat as the rest of us. Now it is just one person's opinion against another person's opinion, with no means to prove conclusively which one, if either, is correct. As a conclusion, I would like to state that I am not going to try to dissuade you from your faith. That would be rather presumptuous of me. All I have intended with my words today is the set straight a few inaccuracies in logic which you seemed to be belaboring under. I mean no disrespect and expect none in return. Ultimately, we are two individuals of differing opinion sharing our views for the consideration of the other. If I came on strongly, especially there at the end, I do apologize. No ill will was intended. I do urge that you at least consider what I've said. You need not accept it, just think it over a bit. In the end, I hope you can at least come to accept that homosexuals deserve the right feel love for one another and be able to commiserate that love through the bond of marriage. If not, I understand. The rigidity of faith can be a hard thing to look past, and I would respect you for your dedication, if nothing else. I think I've said enough for the time being. Signing off for now, my friends. |
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