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Would you respect a Transgendered person?

 

11-23-16 05:01 AM
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We really have to define what respect is here... This is something that confuses me a great deal actually because I do try to be polite and respectful to everyone so long as my disrespect hasn't been earned. I'm of the opinion that someone's assumed identity hasn't any effect on reality. If someone wants wear clothing that is traditionally associated with someone of the opposite sex, that's one thing. If someone believes that, psychologically, they are more woman than they are man, then so be it. As a Christian, I can't support it, but it doesn't make you less of a person. However... regardless of whatever alterations are made physically, we're all still what we were born as. I have a hard time figuring out how to refer to trans people because, at that point, neither "he" nor "she" seems appropriate, so I just try to avoid it altogether or use "they".
We really have to define what respect is here... This is something that confuses me a great deal actually because I do try to be polite and respectful to everyone so long as my disrespect hasn't been earned. I'm of the opinion that someone's assumed identity hasn't any effect on reality. If someone wants wear clothing that is traditionally associated with someone of the opposite sex, that's one thing. If someone believes that, psychologically, they are more woman than they are man, then so be it. As a Christian, I can't support it, but it doesn't make you less of a person. However... regardless of whatever alterations are made physically, we're all still what we were born as. I have a hard time figuring out how to refer to trans people because, at that point, neither "he" nor "she" seems appropriate, so I just try to avoid it altogether or use "they".
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I will respect their decision. I will call them based on what genitalia they have, though. If they say they prefer to be called a female but have male genitalia, I'm most likely not going to call them a female. I find people's gender based on their genitalia. If you want to change it, that's your decision, go ahead, but until then you are based on what your genitalia is.
I will respect their decision. I will call them based on what genitalia they have, though. If they say they prefer to be called a female but have male genitalia, I'm most likely not going to call them a female. I find people's gender based on their genitalia. If you want to change it, that's your decision, go ahead, but until then you are based on what your genitalia is.
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Whether you "agree" with the person's personal identity or not is irrelevant.
People are people. We all deserve respect.
Whether you "agree" with the person's personal identity or not is irrelevant.
People are people. We all deserve respect.
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I would agree with Taterii,that people deserve respect on a basic level. But respect is earned,not given. And I hate to be the wet blanket here,but if a person willingly does this to themselves,they know the risks of cross dressing,wanting reassignment surgery,or being different and they will be called out on that. I mean,isn't he or she good enough? You are born male or female,very few are born as transgender. This is how you know society has gone too far in micromanagement.

Maybe instead of catering to them and letting them parade around as something they are not,maybe we need therapy for these unfortunate souls. Now,if you wish to do this in the privacy of your own home or with your partner,fine. But when you do it in public,you know the risks and have accept that as part of the package. Trust me,they need mental help more than assigning a pronoun to them.

Maybe I am old,maybe I am not as tolerant,but I think that if we go back to just accepting that we are born male or female,we will all be happier.
I would agree with Taterii,that people deserve respect on a basic level. But respect is earned,not given. And I hate to be the wet blanket here,but if a person willingly does this to themselves,they know the risks of cross dressing,wanting reassignment surgery,or being different and they will be called out on that. I mean,isn't he or she good enough? You are born male or female,very few are born as transgender. This is how you know society has gone too far in micromanagement.

Maybe instead of catering to them and letting them parade around as something they are not,maybe we need therapy for these unfortunate souls. Now,if you wish to do this in the privacy of your own home or with your partner,fine. But when you do it in public,you know the risks and have accept that as part of the package. Trust me,they need mental help more than assigning a pronoun to them.

Maybe I am old,maybe I am not as tolerant,but I think that if we go back to just accepting that we are born male or female,we will all be happier.
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Yes I would. I might make mistakes now and then but never intentionally.

Only exceptions are those crap pronouns like "bunself" and "starself".

A bunny is not a gender.

A star is not a gender.

And even if you are otherkin, otherkin is (guess what!) not a gender.

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Yes I would. I might make mistakes now and then but never intentionally.

Only exceptions are those crap pronouns like "bunself" and "starself".

A bunny is not a gender.

A star is not a gender.

And even if you are otherkin, otherkin is (guess what!) not a gender.

Why tumblr why!
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Why wouldn't I? It's a person, even if their gender is.......unclear I will still treat them like a human being. There really is no reason not to unless your a mean person.
Why wouldn't I? It's a person, even if their gender is.......unclear I will still treat them like a human being. There really is no reason not to unless your a mean person.
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I think someone can either be born male or female. They are born that way, but if they truly feel they need to, I will respect them if they become transgender. However... There is no such thing as pansexual. There is no such thing as gender fluid. There is no such thing as otherkin. There is male and female, and that is it. Transgender people fit into whatever they transition into. I will be kind to and respect anyone who tries to identify as anything else, but I do not believe their choice was right in any way.
I think someone can either be born male or female. They are born that way, but if they truly feel they need to, I will respect them if they become transgender. However... There is no such thing as pansexual. There is no such thing as gender fluid. There is no such thing as otherkin. There is male and female, and that is it. Transgender people fit into whatever they transition into. I will be kind to and respect anyone who tries to identify as anything else, but I do not believe their choice was right in any way.
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I'd respect it, there's nothing wrong about it, they're just changing their genital. Why'd people disrespect it anyway? Its just another way to change your way to take a piss, nothing wrong with it, people's probably wanted to try a new 'pissing' experience.
I'd respect it, there's nothing wrong about it, they're just changing their genital. Why'd people disrespect it anyway? Its just another way to change your way to take a piss, nothing wrong with it, people's probably wanted to try a new 'pissing' experience.
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Yeah, I would definitely respect the decisions of a transgendered person. If they want to be a different identity to their biological sex, let someone do that and be who they want to be. ^^
As someone said at the beginning of this thread, becoming fully transsexual (i.e. having changed genitalia) is not affordable to many people.
Yeah, I would definitely respect the decisions of a transgendered person. If they want to be a different identity to their biological sex, let someone do that and be who they want to be. ^^
As someone said at the beginning of this thread, becoming fully transsexual (i.e. having changed genitalia) is not affordable to many people.
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I am against the transgendered thing, but I do respect it up to the point they start being bad people. Example, if they were to call me any name in a way to insult me I would then say no to "respecting their pronouns" 

The reasons being: there's no reason to accept it other than "It's kind" 
The misbelief that it "helps prevent their suicide" is false. Before they undergo the operation/changes the suicide rate is 40% of suicides. After the transformation, it's still 40%. The transformation, statistically, doesn't back up reasons to accept their change. (see more with Ben Shapiro's debate about transgenderism.)

There is also the fact that simply changing your physical appearance and going through hormone therapy doesn't make you the opposite gender, biologically. That's not how chromosomes work - which is 100% how gender is defined. But, if they identify as a male/female and want the change to be done, I will respect their right to do so and attempt to respect their pronouns up too the point they become hostile towards me. 

Another reason isn't even the fault of actual transgendered people. Feminists/SJWs holding trans people on huge pedestals and claiming they can do no wrong and that anything said against them is discrimination. People - me included - are fed up with it. We have had enough of people claiming transgendered people are immune to criticisms. 

So, to answer the question:

Yes, I will respect it, up until you are a d**k
I am against the transgendered thing, but I do respect it up to the point they start being bad people. Example, if they were to call me any name in a way to insult me I would then say no to "respecting their pronouns" 

The reasons being: there's no reason to accept it other than "It's kind" 
The misbelief that it "helps prevent their suicide" is false. Before they undergo the operation/changes the suicide rate is 40% of suicides. After the transformation, it's still 40%. The transformation, statistically, doesn't back up reasons to accept their change. (see more with Ben Shapiro's debate about transgenderism.)

There is also the fact that simply changing your physical appearance and going through hormone therapy doesn't make you the opposite gender, biologically. That's not how chromosomes work - which is 100% how gender is defined. But, if they identify as a male/female and want the change to be done, I will respect their right to do so and attempt to respect their pronouns up too the point they become hostile towards me. 

Another reason isn't even the fault of actual transgendered people. Feminists/SJWs holding trans people on huge pedestals and claiming they can do no wrong and that anything said against them is discrimination. People - me included - are fed up with it. We have had enough of people claiming transgendered people are immune to criticisms. 

So, to answer the question:

Yes, I will respect it, up until you are a d**k
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Well said,CPT. Axis. This is how you know things have gone too far. When we need special pronouns,or specialized bathrooms,or people need to be in a "protected" status,that is a cue we need to just say,"enough is enough!"

Most people do not want special treatment (except morons,misguided activists,'famous' people,etc.),they want to be treated like people,no better,no worse. But here is the rub,now you have to exist within accepted guidelines for people (i.e. men cannot use women's restrooms,and vice versa).

If they wish to express themselves in that way in their own homes,or with their partners,that is fine,as long as both parties consent. We need to get back to simple common sense.

Well said,CPT. Axis. This is how you know things have gone too far. When we need special pronouns,or specialized bathrooms,or people need to be in a "protected" status,that is a cue we need to just say,"enough is enough!"

Most people do not want special treatment (except morons,misguided activists,'famous' people,etc.),they want to be treated like people,no better,no worse. But here is the rub,now you have to exist within accepted guidelines for people (i.e. men cannot use women's restrooms,and vice versa).

If they wish to express themselves in that way in their own homes,or with their partners,that is fine,as long as both parties consent. We need to get back to simple common sense.

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I've had some time to think about this really. I would say no, because I don't really care. I'm one who focuses on necessity, not preference. I would hurt many feelings because of this attitude, but survival is ALWAYS more important than comfort.

I mean, unless you're dealing with psychos.
I've had some time to think about this really. I would say no, because I don't really care. I'm one who focuses on necessity, not preference. I would hurt many feelings because of this attitude, but survival is ALWAYS more important than comfort.

I mean, unless you're dealing with psychos.
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CPT Axis : I'd love to see you be told you're broken, wrong, a freak, disgusting, be stared at by strangers for doing nothing more than walking by them all on a daily basis and see you not contemplate suicide.

Oldschool777 : Common sense is treating your fellow humans with respect and decency, or at least I thought. May it rest in peace.
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Oldschool777 : Common sense is treating your fellow humans with respect and decency, or at least I thought. May it rest in peace.
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Frodlex : Common sense is pretty much dead. Look,most people do not want special treatment or a protected status. Most of us want to be treated as no better or no worse than anyone else. Now,this is where some people are going to hate on me. If the trans-gendered people want to know real discrimination,real exclusion,real hatred for something that they have no control over;all they have to do is crack open a history book or talk to people that have been there.

Blacks: For the longest time,they were considered property. Not even human. Then during the civil rights marches,they were forced to use separate facilities,even separate drinking fountains.

Irish : When they first came to the US,they were met with disdain and contempt. They were put into the worst living conditions and many businesses at the time had a sign that read,"Now Hiring,Irish need not apply."

Chinese: They came during the railroad years,they helped build the railway network and they were treated like they were little better than a pack mule.

Japanese: During WW2,anyone in the US that had even the slightest hint of Japanese in them were sent to internment camps.

These are just a few examples. These are all cases that they could not help how they looked or what their ancestry was. Maybe I am a caveman pig,but a trans-gender can help it. They choose to be this way. Now,if they want to parade around in their own homes,or do that with their partners,that is perfectly okay. But do not demand special accommodations for something that you made a choice to be. The ones that I actually do feel bad for are hermaphrodites. They are born with unique circumstances.
Frodlex : Common sense is pretty much dead. Look,most people do not want special treatment or a protected status. Most of us want to be treated as no better or no worse than anyone else. Now,this is where some people are going to hate on me. If the trans-gendered people want to know real discrimination,real exclusion,real hatred for something that they have no control over;all they have to do is crack open a history book or talk to people that have been there.

Blacks: For the longest time,they were considered property. Not even human. Then during the civil rights marches,they were forced to use separate facilities,even separate drinking fountains.

Irish : When they first came to the US,they were met with disdain and contempt. They were put into the worst living conditions and many businesses at the time had a sign that read,"Now Hiring,Irish need not apply."

Chinese: They came during the railroad years,they helped build the railway network and they were treated like they were little better than a pack mule.

Japanese: During WW2,anyone in the US that had even the slightest hint of Japanese in them were sent to internment camps.

These are just a few examples. These are all cases that they could not help how they looked or what their ancestry was. Maybe I am a caveman pig,but a trans-gender can help it. They choose to be this way. Now,if they want to parade around in their own homes,or do that with their partners,that is perfectly okay. But do not demand special accommodations for something that you made a choice to be. The ones that I actually do feel bad for are hermaphrodites. They are born with unique circumstances.
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The easy answer to this is: "Yes."

I believe that the whole point of life is to be compassionate to others. If someone wants you to call them Jason, or Christopher, or Megan, you do. They ask you and you respect their wishes. If they wish to be called anything, even nicknames, that's fine too.

It extends to 'he, she, her, him,' and whatever else they want. It's not the weirdest thing people can ask, to be called by a pronoun that doesn't match with what you're looking at. But it's not like they're demanding to be called "Grand High Poobah."

What's more odd? Having someone who looks feminine asked to be called 'him' or having someone, anyone, asked to be called "Colonel Mustard from Clue" every time the talk to you.

Who cares what someone wants? If it makes them happy and it doesn't hurt anyone else, go for it. I don't have any idea why this is even a debate.
The easy answer to this is: "Yes."

I believe that the whole point of life is to be compassionate to others. If someone wants you to call them Jason, or Christopher, or Megan, you do. They ask you and you respect their wishes. If they wish to be called anything, even nicknames, that's fine too.

It extends to 'he, she, her, him,' and whatever else they want. It's not the weirdest thing people can ask, to be called by a pronoun that doesn't match with what you're looking at. But it's not like they're demanding to be called "Grand High Poobah."

What's more odd? Having someone who looks feminine asked to be called 'him' or having someone, anyone, asked to be called "Colonel Mustard from Clue" every time the talk to you.

Who cares what someone wants? If it makes them happy and it doesn't hurt anyone else, go for it. I don't have any idea why this is even a debate.
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taterii : I disagree. You deserve respect because you were born? No. You earn respect, instead of just believing you're entitled to it. You're respected only to the point of you being human.
taterii : I disagree. You deserve respect because you were born? No. You earn respect, instead of just believing you're entitled to it. You're respected only to the point of you being human.
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Respect is NEVER automatic. It is ALWAYS earned. Now,as I have said,if they want to do this in their private lives,with a partner,as long as it is consensual,it is fine. But,to think someone is ENTITLED to respect for willingly being a freak,in public,because they identify as another gender is wrong. Not to mention it could be a huge issue. If some pervert claims he identifies as female,uses a female restroom,but is still male and he wants to use that to have his way with girls,that is just a pervert twisting this new "bathroom bill". Would any of you want your child alone in a bathroom with some freak that identifies as another gender? That freak could be a pervert or worse.
Respect is NEVER automatic. It is ALWAYS earned. Now,as I have said,if they want to do this in their private lives,with a partner,as long as it is consensual,it is fine. But,to think someone is ENTITLED to respect for willingly being a freak,in public,because they identify as another gender is wrong. Not to mention it could be a huge issue. If some pervert claims he identifies as female,uses a female restroom,but is still male and he wants to use that to have his way with girls,that is just a pervert twisting this new "bathroom bill". Would any of you want your child alone in a bathroom with some freak that identifies as another gender? That freak could be a pervert or worse.
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Well, I'd be a s*** LGBTQ activist if I didn't respect them

I even call Jenner by the right pronouns even though she is a s*** person

Where it gets me is when people make up pronouns for them self. Like, I get it if English is not their first language, and their language may not have a non-binary pronoun like they, that's fine. But when they can use they/them, and they use xer/xim or whatever the hell else it is, It makes the LGBTQ community look like a joke. seriously, it's embarrassing for the rest of us. I should get my non-binary friend to write a rant about this, as it really pisses them off too and they have some good points to it.

Now

honestly, Trans people should be respected, regardless of the stage of their transition they are in. it's not that hard to use they/them or use he/him with someone who asks. It's not hard. If you slip up just correct yourself. if they make a scene out of you slipping up they are the one in the wrong, not you, as they too paint a bad picture of the LGBTQ community (See: Down with cis)

As much as a gay person can't change who they love, a trans person can't change who they are, and sometimes it can be physically painful for them if they don't transition to be who they are inside



Well, I'd be a s*** LGBTQ activist if I didn't respect them

I even call Jenner by the right pronouns even though she is a s*** person

Where it gets me is when people make up pronouns for them self. Like, I get it if English is not their first language, and their language may not have a non-binary pronoun like they, that's fine. But when they can use they/them, and they use xer/xim or whatever the hell else it is, It makes the LGBTQ community look like a joke. seriously, it's embarrassing for the rest of us. I should get my non-binary friend to write a rant about this, as it really pisses them off too and they have some good points to it.

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honestly, Trans people should be respected, regardless of the stage of their transition they are in. it's not that hard to use they/them or use he/him with someone who asks. It's not hard. If you slip up just correct yourself. if they make a scene out of you slipping up they are the one in the wrong, not you, as they too paint a bad picture of the LGBTQ community (See: Down with cis)

As much as a gay person can't change who they love, a trans person can't change who they are, and sometimes it can be physically painful for them if they don't transition to be who they are inside



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I would absolutely respect a transgendered person and call them by the pronoun that they would like to associate with, however it is hard to consistently remember what to call them, especially if they still look like the gender that they were born as. 

I do have friends that associate with being transgender, and I have made attempts to call them by the proper pronoun, and at times, I do struggle with it. Over time, I was able to get used to calling them by what they wanted to be known as, even if it did feel unnatural at first. 

As for people who get upset about not being called the correct pronouns that they want to be associated with, stop caring so much. People forget sometimes, and if it isn't natural for them to say what you want, it is very likely that they won't say that, and will say what is natural. I do know some people, not people that I associate with, that do get very upset when you don't call them by their preferred pronoun, but they just need to suck it up. With transgender being a fairly recent thing brought to national attention, not everyone is quite ready to be able to remember everything about transgendered people that you want them to, especially with so many new transgenders popping up all over everywhere. 

It's not easy for trans people to get used to the fact that others just don't understand, as it is for all other minorities that are under suppression, and that is something we should be sensitive about, but not over the top. 

I would absolutely respect a transgendered person and call them by the pronoun that they would like to associate with, however it is hard to consistently remember what to call them, especially if they still look like the gender that they were born as. 

I do have friends that associate with being transgender, and I have made attempts to call them by the proper pronoun, and at times, I do struggle with it. Over time, I was able to get used to calling them by what they wanted to be known as, even if it did feel unnatural at first. 

As for people who get upset about not being called the correct pronouns that they want to be associated with, stop caring so much. People forget sometimes, and if it isn't natural for them to say what you want, it is very likely that they won't say that, and will say what is natural. I do know some people, not people that I associate with, that do get very upset when you don't call them by their preferred pronoun, but they just need to suck it up. With transgender being a fairly recent thing brought to national attention, not everyone is quite ready to be able to remember everything about transgendered people that you want them to, especially with so many new transgenders popping up all over everywhere. 

It's not easy for trans people to get used to the fact that others just don't understand, as it is for all other minorities that are under suppression, and that is something we should be sensitive about, but not over the top. 

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Honestly depends what they're like and how they treat me. Plus it's kinda engraved in my brain since I was a baby that 'peeny = man' so it's difficult to think otherwise.

I've seen some people identifying as female purely because they believe that females get better treatment or more attention. It's like a larger version of making your character a girl on an MMO to get free stuff from the guys. But there are people serious about transitioning, and if I know that they're not just purely doing it for attention I'll respect them.

But no, I'm not going to refer to you as xer because that's too much to remember. Plus don't get offended if I accidentally slip and call you a he because you look extremely manly. In the end, it doesn't affect me unless people MAKE it affect me.
Honestly depends what they're like and how they treat me. Plus it's kinda engraved in my brain since I was a baby that 'peeny = man' so it's difficult to think otherwise.

I've seen some people identifying as female purely because they believe that females get better treatment or more attention. It's like a larger version of making your character a girl on an MMO to get free stuff from the guys. But there are people serious about transitioning, and if I know that they're not just purely doing it for attention I'll respect them.

But no, I'm not going to refer to you as xer because that's too much to remember. Plus don't get offended if I accidentally slip and call you a he because you look extremely manly. In the end, it doesn't affect me unless people MAKE it affect me.
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