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02-09-15 11:42 PM
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Hello all. This topic I am passionate about and decided after some thought to pop in here to ask for opinions. So to put this in perspective I decided to look up some facts for y'all. After I put this in I will get to my questions :

The rapid loss of species we are seeing today is estimated by experts to be between 1,000 and 10,000 times higher than the natural extinction rate.
These experts calculate that between 0.01 and 0.1% of all species will become extinct each year.
If the low estimate of the number of species out there is true - i.e. that there are around 2 million different species on our planet - then that means between 200 and 2,000 extinctions occur every year.
But if the upper estimate of species numbers is true - that there are 100 million different species co-existing with us on our planet - then between 10,000 and 100,000 species are becoming extinct each year.
Experts actually call this natural extinction rate the background extinction rate. This simply means the rate of species extinctions that would occur if we humans were not around.
Between 1.4 and 1.8 million species have already been scientifically identified.


Ok now to the point of my thread and my questions. Every year I hear about poachers, fishing industries, and other man run operations killing species that are endangered. There are stiff penalties but to me not stiff enough. I mean we will never get these creatures back unless genetics to clone them improve and that in itself is a touchy subject in the science communities and political circles.

Should crimes against endangered animals be as severe as crimes against ... say like other people ? 


Hello all. This topic I am passionate about and decided after some thought to pop in here to ask for opinions. So to put this in perspective I decided to look up some facts for y'all. After I put this in I will get to my questions :

The rapid loss of species we are seeing today is estimated by experts to be between 1,000 and 10,000 times higher than the natural extinction rate.
These experts calculate that between 0.01 and 0.1% of all species will become extinct each year.
If the low estimate of the number of species out there is true - i.e. that there are around 2 million different species on our planet - then that means between 200 and 2,000 extinctions occur every year.
But if the upper estimate of species numbers is true - that there are 100 million different species co-existing with us on our planet - then between 10,000 and 100,000 species are becoming extinct each year.
Experts actually call this natural extinction rate the background extinction rate. This simply means the rate of species extinctions that would occur if we humans were not around.
Between 1.4 and 1.8 million species have already been scientifically identified.


Ok now to the point of my thread and my questions. Every year I hear about poachers, fishing industries, and other man run operations killing species that are endangered. There are stiff penalties but to me not stiff enough. I mean we will never get these creatures back unless genetics to clone them improve and that in itself is a touchy subject in the science communities and political circles.

Should crimes against endangered animals be as severe as crimes against ... say like other people ? 


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02-10-15 12:21 AM
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We are without a doubt causing devastating damage to our world.
At least at present, most of it is reversible (except for the extinctions).

The biggest problem with environmentalism is that it has been sucked into the corrupting influence of politics.

Simply to say that you think we need to be doing more to save the earth has become a politicized issue. We have representatives who are literally stating that humans cannot damage this world. It's insane.

What's most important for people to realize is that we're treating the earth unsustainably. That means that even if there's no climate change (which is accepted among the people who actually dedicate their lives to studying these things and have no ulterior motives, unlike politicians), there's plenty of other problems headed our way if we remain this reckless.

It just really annoys me to see how politicized this issue has become. Until we can collectively agree that this is a problem that needs to be solved, our government won't be able to take the large-scale action necessary to start reversing it.

And yep, our extinction rate at 1 species/day is apparently the sixth massive die-off in earth's history.
It's crazy to know that it's primarily our fault.
We are without a doubt causing devastating damage to our world.
At least at present, most of it is reversible (except for the extinctions).

The biggest problem with environmentalism is that it has been sucked into the corrupting influence of politics.

Simply to say that you think we need to be doing more to save the earth has become a politicized issue. We have representatives who are literally stating that humans cannot damage this world. It's insane.

What's most important for people to realize is that we're treating the earth unsustainably. That means that even if there's no climate change (which is accepted among the people who actually dedicate their lives to studying these things and have no ulterior motives, unlike politicians), there's plenty of other problems headed our way if we remain this reckless.

It just really annoys me to see how politicized this issue has become. Until we can collectively agree that this is a problem that needs to be solved, our government won't be able to take the large-scale action necessary to start reversing it.

And yep, our extinction rate at 1 species/day is apparently the sixth massive die-off in earth's history.
It's crazy to know that it's primarily our fault.
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If you kids want that car, that next generation console, that brand new what you might call it that is now what a telephone used to be then hey. Get used to the idea that those animals you never saw once in your life are going to be gone and all you ever had were photographs of them. But dont worry. You get to keep those photographs in digital in your brand new multimedia WhoEverBoughtYouThatCrap and you will still be as rich and priviliged as you used to be.

Also remember. It is not a political issue. It is a marketing issue. So buy now and vote. You know who.

The best part is, you dont have to know about a thing or bother to ever find out. So what is there to lose?
If you kids want that car, that next generation console, that brand new what you might call it that is now what a telephone used to be then hey. Get used to the idea that those animals you never saw once in your life are going to be gone and all you ever had were photographs of them. But dont worry. You get to keep those photographs in digital in your brand new multimedia WhoEverBoughtYouThatCrap and you will still be as rich and priviliged as you used to be.

Also remember. It is not a political issue. It is a marketing issue. So buy now and vote. You know who.

The best part is, you dont have to know about a thing or bother to ever find out. So what is there to lose?
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I think there should be more effort to protect endangered species'. Mainly because I'm a HUGE animal lover. lol But, there really should be stricter penalties on killing or harming them. I have no clue how this turned into a government/mass market debate. But, I think these creatures should be protected.
Man was created to be above animals, but also he was commissioned to take care of them. And I think we really should. All life matters, there's beauty in all of it. From the Blue Whale, to the common ant. They are all fascinating, and we should take good care of them. You never truly appreciate something until it's gone forever.
I think there should be more effort to protect endangered species'. Mainly because I'm a HUGE animal lover. lol But, there really should be stricter penalties on killing or harming them. I have no clue how this turned into a government/mass market debate. But, I think these creatures should be protected.
Man was created to be above animals, but also he was commissioned to take care of them. And I think we really should. All life matters, there's beauty in all of it. From the Blue Whale, to the common ant. They are all fascinating, and we should take good care of them. You never truly appreciate something until it's gone forever.
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I'm not really big on the protect the animals thing, cause we're supposed to be animals too, but if we force others into extinction, that's a bad thing?

From my Hebraic perspective, we are stewards of the earth and we should keep them around. For our benefit. I know that endangered species laws exist to get the government more control at times. I think it would be foolish to totally get rid of some species, others, I'm not as sure about. I mean, should we mourn the losses of types of Tiger's for example? I guess one might argue that Tigers are an important part of the balance in an eco system.

Maybe, but humans can hunt too.

In the end though, I'd say it would be a good idea to keep most animals around, particularly the more useful ones. (Maybe even the more tasty ones. . .)

If the punishments for a crime are not keeping people from doing it, it is because the reward for getting away with crime outweighs it, therefore, one should increase the punishment to overweigh the reward from completed crime.

That's why the Bibles says when you steal, you must return four times as much as you stole.
I'm not really big on the protect the animals thing, cause we're supposed to be animals too, but if we force others into extinction, that's a bad thing?

From my Hebraic perspective, we are stewards of the earth and we should keep them around. For our benefit. I know that endangered species laws exist to get the government more control at times. I think it would be foolish to totally get rid of some species, others, I'm not as sure about. I mean, should we mourn the losses of types of Tiger's for example? I guess one might argue that Tigers are an important part of the balance in an eco system.

Maybe, but humans can hunt too.

In the end though, I'd say it would be a good idea to keep most animals around, particularly the more useful ones. (Maybe even the more tasty ones. . .)

If the punishments for a crime are not keeping people from doing it, it is because the reward for getting away with crime outweighs it, therefore, one should increase the punishment to overweigh the reward from completed crime.

That's why the Bibles says when you steal, you must return four times as much as you stole.
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I would like to see more focus put on protecting animals from excessive hunting and poaching. People who believe that humans driving species after species to extinction at our current rate is "normal" are really fooling themselves. Humans have shown that they cannot live in harmony with the earth's natural cycles without causing some harm to it, and ourselves. 

If we, as humans, want to live and cooperate with each other, I also think we should do so with the other animals on our planet. I believe it's fine to hunt and use animals for food and clothing, but in moderation. Most thing in excess don't have great outcomes, and I think exterminating animals is included in that. 

So yes, I think poaching SHOULD be a serious crime, maybe not as serious as murdering a human, but still something that is well investigated and punished. 
I would like to see more focus put on protecting animals from excessive hunting and poaching. People who believe that humans driving species after species to extinction at our current rate is "normal" are really fooling themselves. Humans have shown that they cannot live in harmony with the earth's natural cycles without causing some harm to it, and ourselves. 

If we, as humans, want to live and cooperate with each other, I also think we should do so with the other animals on our planet. I believe it's fine to hunt and use animals for food and clothing, but in moderation. Most thing in excess don't have great outcomes, and I think exterminating animals is included in that. 

So yes, I think poaching SHOULD be a serious crime, maybe not as serious as murdering a human, but still something that is well investigated and punished. 
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Sup people. Liking what I am hearing here. Keep em' coming. There is no wrong or right opinion in this. I just wanna hear what everyone thinks about it. I know there will be some on either side of the subject as to how they feel about it but that is the fun of asking .. right ? Anyways thanks for answering and looking forward to seeing more. 
Sup people. Liking what I am hearing here. Keep em' coming. There is no wrong or right opinion in this. I just wanna hear what everyone thinks about it. I know there will be some on either side of the subject as to how they feel about it but that is the fun of asking .. right ? Anyways thanks for answering and looking forward to seeing more. 
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