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Ok I may seem to be all over the place here for a bit but bear with me and you'll see where I am going with this. I see on the television all the time those infomercials where they ask you to send a donation once a month to take care of some kid thousands of mile away from you. I have seen a few people I know do this and I sit back and wonder why the hell would they send money overseas to a group of people that may or may not be doing exactly what they say. I mean seriously I live in the U.S.A. and these may be older stats I will be putting in here but they are just to give ya' an idea of what I mean. 
1. In 2012 15.8 million children lived in food-insecure households. That is living in households where they are unable to consistently access enough nutritious food necessary for a healthy life. Although food insecurity is harmful to any individual, it can be particularly devastating among children due to their increased vulnerability to diseases and the potential for long-term consequences. This stat is saying around 20% of our children were living this way at the time. Hell that is pretty much the same as our poverty level was at the time ( it was a little lower but it was close ).
2. Twelve million children were estimated to be served by Feeding America, over 3.5 million of which are ages 5 and under. Isn't that ridiculous that we as a country should be like this. I can understand a third world country being in that predicament but not larger, more well established countries like the U.S., Russia, and the British for examples. I'm not going to put a lot of stats up for different countries but you get the idea because it is like this for all countries. Numbers may be different but they are too high in my opinion. 

So now that I have started this up and run my mouth for a bit about it. I would like to ask all of you : 
1. What is your view of sending money overseas to different countries to help out instead of here where it is needed also ? 
2. If you were in charge what do you think should be done about this ?
3. What's your over-all view on the matter ?
Ok I may seem to be all over the place here for a bit but bear with me and you'll see where I am going with this. I see on the television all the time those infomercials where they ask you to send a donation once a month to take care of some kid thousands of mile away from you. I have seen a few people I know do this and I sit back and wonder why the hell would they send money overseas to a group of people that may or may not be doing exactly what they say. I mean seriously I live in the U.S.A. and these may be older stats I will be putting in here but they are just to give ya' an idea of what I mean. 
1. In 2012 15.8 million children lived in food-insecure households. That is living in households where they are unable to consistently access enough nutritious food necessary for a healthy life. Although food insecurity is harmful to any individual, it can be particularly devastating among children due to their increased vulnerability to diseases and the potential for long-term consequences. This stat is saying around 20% of our children were living this way at the time. Hell that is pretty much the same as our poverty level was at the time ( it was a little lower but it was close ).
2. Twelve million children were estimated to be served by Feeding America, over 3.5 million of which are ages 5 and under. Isn't that ridiculous that we as a country should be like this. I can understand a third world country being in that predicament but not larger, more well established countries like the U.S., Russia, and the British for examples. I'm not going to put a lot of stats up for different countries but you get the idea because it is like this for all countries. Numbers may be different but they are too high in my opinion. 

So now that I have started this up and run my mouth for a bit about it. I would like to ask all of you : 
1. What is your view of sending money overseas to different countries to help out instead of here where it is needed also ? 
2. If you were in charge what do you think should be done about this ?
3. What's your over-all view on the matter ?
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1. i never give money to charity because as you said we don't know who exists or who the money is actually going to i perfer to volunteer my time rather then giving money and this ties in because the only charity work i do is try and make down to to the the soup kitchen for the day i feel good about doing the work but it breaks my heart to see whole families come in i absolutely love working there and wish i had more time to volunteer

2. i don't know what i would do if i were in charge but as i said i think soup kitchens are a great place to feed the hungry not to

3. overall i think it's terrible that anyone in any country has to go hungry while on the other hand there the daily amount of food wasted in america is enough to fill a football feild so i don't understand how there is hungry people in the first place
1. i never give money to charity because as you said we don't know who exists or who the money is actually going to i perfer to volunteer my time rather then giving money and this ties in because the only charity work i do is try and make down to to the the soup kitchen for the day i feel good about doing the work but it breaks my heart to see whole families come in i absolutely love working there and wish i had more time to volunteer

2. i don't know what i would do if i were in charge but as i said i think soup kitchens are a great place to feed the hungry not to

3. overall i think it's terrible that anyone in any country has to go hungry while on the other hand there the daily amount of food wasted in america is enough to fill a football feild so i don't understand how there is hungry people in the first place
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America is a land of the rich to a certain degree, but it doesn't totally eliminate poorness within it, I mean, look at Rome. An ancient empire, but they were still surrounded by tons of poorer citizens. (Some of which were actually enabled to be poor though a welfare system like here in the U.S.A. today. I kid you not.)

I know that lot's of poor people are poor by choice. When it comes down to it though. I'm not sure the government can do a much better job than even bad parents at a lot of things.


Raising the next generation, what an important task. It's heavy. Certainly we all want good lives for our children, if we don't then one must be a pretty selfish monster alright, but people don't seem to care about a lot of things nowadays.

I think the only solution too society is better morals. Stronger morals, and well, a lot of people would shoot me for saying this, but the Bible. I mean, other than as a religious book, it has great morals for a people to live by. Any people. It's where our moral came from pretty much from the begging of the U.S. (All right come from our creator and are unalienable). And hey, without it, what do we have?

I guess we have a bunch of human opinions. And I'm not so certain the best values are magically grafted in an individual at birth, in fact, I find it varies from individual to individual quite a bit.


But anyways, to answer the hunger problem on some perhaps more common grounds.

I think the root of the problem is how poor the American people are. I mean, food is one of the FIRST things you set money aside to get each month, (though possibly after rent of course, that's important after all).

When rent, electricity, or things along those lines begin to need attention, People may scrape a bit of their food budget to make room for that. . . .


So if Americans had more money, they could buy all the food they needed.


Lack of food is a monetary issue. So, we have to find a way to make American's richer, or bring up the poor and middle class some.

In all honesty though, I find that the best way to do that, is for the government to stay out of business in certain matters.

Look at the economy crash with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mack. It came from the Federal Governement basically forcing Banks to pass loans for people to purchase houses, even though the banks didn't deem these people as "able" to pay back the loan.

Irregardless of what you've gone through in life, and I'm not saying life is absolutely fair, but in the end.


If you can't have a house either because you're lazy, or you just don't have the money because of circumstances, taking money from the "big money people" doesn't make the money go unaccounted for. Someone has to pick up the slack somewhere down the lines, and this is pretty much why when the government gets involved in the economy like this, it messes stuff up. Even kings, dictators back in the day didn't mess with the market like politicians do now.


You see what I'm saying?

If someone can't pay off something as large as a house, and the government forces banks across the U.S. to grant loans to people who can't pay them off, it fails.



Basically, to fix the economic problem, I'd have the government stop messing with stuff like that so much. I'm not saying a total withdrawl from the market, like the removal of copyright laws, ect. But we've overdone it as of nowadays regarding government involvement. You should see some of the safety laws that roofers and loggers have to go through. I'll tell you this much, it's not laws that make the world a safer place, it's people who care. And people who care elect good government people.

Now, here's a good question. How many people actually care? How many just want to vote for someone because they'll be granted a free. . . . something. Benefits, whatever?

That's why I say the moral state of a people is always at the heart of the issue.


I know my opinion may not be a favorite of people, that's true, but that's how I see it pretty straight forward.


My view of sending money overseas, I think it's fine. I think that our own country should be a Priority, and that we should worry about others once we're well enough alone on our feet. After all, the better off we are, the greater we can help others later. It's just like me getting out and into the real world. First things, first. Gotta get my own car, and my own place. Then gotta get a wife, support her, then I can worry about children ect.

However, along the way I can worry about others here and there. You start close to home and move outward.

Take life's problems. We don't have all the answers, but we do share the ones that we do have with others in need, even as we are discovering more answers by ourselves.
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America is a land of the rich to a certain degree, but it doesn't totally eliminate poorness within it, I mean, look at Rome. An ancient empire, but they were still surrounded by tons of poorer citizens. (Some of which were actually enabled to be poor though a welfare system like here in the U.S.A. today. I kid you not.)

I know that lot's of poor people are poor by choice. When it comes down to it though. I'm not sure the government can do a much better job than even bad parents at a lot of things.


Raising the next generation, what an important task. It's heavy. Certainly we all want good lives for our children, if we don't then one must be a pretty selfish monster alright, but people don't seem to care about a lot of things nowadays.

I think the only solution too society is better morals. Stronger morals, and well, a lot of people would shoot me for saying this, but the Bible. I mean, other than as a religious book, it has great morals for a people to live by. Any people. It's where our moral came from pretty much from the begging of the U.S. (All right come from our creator and are unalienable). And hey, without it, what do we have?

I guess we have a bunch of human opinions. And I'm not so certain the best values are magically grafted in an individual at birth, in fact, I find it varies from individual to individual quite a bit.


But anyways, to answer the hunger problem on some perhaps more common grounds.

I think the root of the problem is how poor the American people are. I mean, food is one of the FIRST things you set money aside to get each month, (though possibly after rent of course, that's important after all).

When rent, electricity, or things along those lines begin to need attention, People may scrape a bit of their food budget to make room for that. . . .


So if Americans had more money, they could buy all the food they needed.


Lack of food is a monetary issue. So, we have to find a way to make American's richer, or bring up the poor and middle class some.

In all honesty though, I find that the best way to do that, is for the government to stay out of business in certain matters.

Look at the economy crash with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mack. It came from the Federal Governement basically forcing Banks to pass loans for people to purchase houses, even though the banks didn't deem these people as "able" to pay back the loan.

Irregardless of what you've gone through in life, and I'm not saying life is absolutely fair, but in the end.


If you can't have a house either because you're lazy, or you just don't have the money because of circumstances, taking money from the "big money people" doesn't make the money go unaccounted for. Someone has to pick up the slack somewhere down the lines, and this is pretty much why when the government gets involved in the economy like this, it messes stuff up. Even kings, dictators back in the day didn't mess with the market like politicians do now.


You see what I'm saying?

If someone can't pay off something as large as a house, and the government forces banks across the U.S. to grant loans to people who can't pay them off, it fails.



Basically, to fix the economic problem, I'd have the government stop messing with stuff like that so much. I'm not saying a total withdrawl from the market, like the removal of copyright laws, ect. But we've overdone it as of nowadays regarding government involvement. You should see some of the safety laws that roofers and loggers have to go through. I'll tell you this much, it's not laws that make the world a safer place, it's people who care. And people who care elect good government people.

Now, here's a good question. How many people actually care? How many just want to vote for someone because they'll be granted a free. . . . something. Benefits, whatever?

That's why I say the moral state of a people is always at the heart of the issue.


I know my opinion may not be a favorite of people, that's true, but that's how I see it pretty straight forward.


My view of sending money overseas, I think it's fine. I think that our own country should be a Priority, and that we should worry about others once we're well enough alone on our feet. After all, the better off we are, the greater we can help others later. It's just like me getting out and into the real world. First things, first. Gotta get my own car, and my own place. Then gotta get a wife, support her, then I can worry about children ect.

However, along the way I can worry about others here and there. You start close to home and move outward.

Take life's problems. We don't have all the answers, but we do share the ones that we do have with others in need, even as we are discovering more answers by ourselves.
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Hey Sword legion. All I have to say is WOW. Talk about answering a thread. lol
That was pretty long and I hear ya'. I totally agree for the most part with everything you said. As far as people not liking your answers ... tough sh*t is what I say . They'll get over it. My major issue and why I decided to do this thread in the first place was all the commercials asking for money to be sent overseas to help kids in places thousands of miles away . I have an issue with this because if you look in the country you live in and you'll find plenty of kids who are need of help also. I kept thinking ( and this may sound mean of me or whatever ) why wouldn't you help the kids closer to you first ? I mean not that the kids over there are any less important but I am a firm believer in helping get your house ( so to speak ) in shape before you worry about helping someone else do the same. At the same time you are doing this, you also set yourself up to be able to offer more and better help in the future, because you did this that way. Just the way I see it but yeah like I said I agree with most of what you said in your post. Have a good one dude. 
Hey Sword legion. All I have to say is WOW. Talk about answering a thread. lol
That was pretty long and I hear ya'. I totally agree for the most part with everything you said. As far as people not liking your answers ... tough sh*t is what I say . They'll get over it. My major issue and why I decided to do this thread in the first place was all the commercials asking for money to be sent overseas to help kids in places thousands of miles away . I have an issue with this because if you look in the country you live in and you'll find plenty of kids who are need of help also. I kept thinking ( and this may sound mean of me or whatever ) why wouldn't you help the kids closer to you first ? I mean not that the kids over there are any less important but I am a firm believer in helping get your house ( so to speak ) in shape before you worry about helping someone else do the same. At the same time you are doing this, you also set yourself up to be able to offer more and better help in the future, because you did this that way. Just the way I see it but yeah like I said I agree with most of what you said in your post. Have a good one dude. 
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I'm going to be destroyed for this but YOLO.



In reality, not much of that money even goes to those kids anyway, so I think it's a waste of money and time, not to mention the people that put up those ads are cons. I think this money should go to getting our country in line, all of the murders and illegal aliens should be taken care of first, as well as the starving children.





If I were king and could do whatever, I would cut off foreign relations with all countries except Great Britain and Cananada. (Yes, I know.) We've been bit in the rear enough times but these same people, what makes us think it will ever change? If we have problems with a country we wipe the threat out, not toy with them. ISIS, anyone?





I think the U.S.A. is getting dumber and more gullible as a whole. Heck, we don't even know where our President was born, and we didn't say a word? We have illegal aliens pouring over the border, and we get a couple days of headlines? We have every enemy you can think of ON OUR SOIL, and we have, literally, not heard ANYTHING. You see my issue with this?



If you have anything to add are debate in my post, please reply. I would love to know.


EDIT: STOP WELFARE AT ALL COSTS. If the poor folks want to get money, then get off your lazy rears, and work like the rest of us. Sorry if I sound cruel, but that's the way it is.

I'm going to be destroyed for this but YOLO.



In reality, not much of that money even goes to those kids anyway, so I think it's a waste of money and time, not to mention the people that put up those ads are cons. I think this money should go to getting our country in line, all of the murders and illegal aliens should be taken care of first, as well as the starving children.





If I were king and could do whatever, I would cut off foreign relations with all countries except Great Britain and Cananada. (Yes, I know.) We've been bit in the rear enough times but these same people, what makes us think it will ever change? If we have problems with a country we wipe the threat out, not toy with them. ISIS, anyone?





I think the U.S.A. is getting dumber and more gullible as a whole. Heck, we don't even know where our President was born, and we didn't say a word? We have illegal aliens pouring over the border, and we get a couple days of headlines? We have every enemy you can think of ON OUR SOIL, and we have, literally, not heard ANYTHING. You see my issue with this?



If you have anything to add are debate in my post, please reply. I would love to know.


EDIT: STOP WELFARE AT ALL COSTS. If the poor folks want to get money, then get off your lazy rears, and work like the rest of us. Sorry if I sound cruel, but that's the way it is.

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