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Christians, I've got a question for you.
12-14-14 02:17 PM
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I'm not a christian BUT, I do like to study religions. So the question I have is, If "god" can do anything, Why does'nt he snap his fingers and end all our pain right now? I mean I don't want to sound mean or make fun of you, it's simply a question. To me it just does'nt make sence. |
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12-14-14 02:31 PM
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I'm not really the person to ask, since I'm not really Christian, but I just felt like pointing something out  .~In my opinion, life without pain isn't really life. I kind of see life as a test to see whether we deserve real pain or not in the end... sometimes. Ha ha  ..~In my opinion, life without pain isn't really life. I kind of see life as a test to see whether we deserve real pain or not in the end... sometimes. Ha ha . |
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12-14-14 02:37 PM
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PacmanandMariofan : I'm afraid your answer brings up another question. Why does'nt god make us smarter? You see there is no reason for us to go thow this. So why does he make us? |
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12-14-14 02:42 PM
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NintendoFanKimmy : Of course you are very much correct. There would be no point to life, without pain. However, the bible speaks of a place called heaven. It's a place where you will never be upset, or angry. The roads paved with gold. No more fear pain or tears. He could simply take us there right now. So why does'nt he. Is it real. I want to get the the bottom of this. Someone tell me. Why. |
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12-14-14 02:45 PM
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Actually, there are reasons for us to go through this. Pain can make us stronger. Also, pain can cause many people to turn to God.  If He made us all smarter, again, there would be much less variety in this world.Edit: I made this post while you made your response to NintendoFanKimmy He doesn't just take us to heaven right now because we have to earn our way into heaven and if we all went to heaven now, no one would be on his planet Earth, which he wants there to be a lot of life on. If He made us all smarter, again, there would be much less variety in this world.Edit: I made this post while you made your response to NintendoFanKimmy He doesn't just take us to heaven right now because we have to earn our way into heaven and if we all went to heaven now, no one would be on his planet Earth, which he wants there to be a lot of life on. |
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12-14-14 02:49 PM
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First off, I need to make a point, which I believe many will miss. We reject God, so, why should he end the pain of those who give him much pain? It's not that He is being selfish or that He's being spiteful... He wants us to get to him, while we reject him, the pain could help those to look to one who is in power. That is the point. Read through the first chapters of Genesis, it explains how we tossed God out the window, it's our fault that we have pain, not God's. To summarize why, God doesn't take the pain, so that those who reject him will turn to him. That is what I believe. Read through the first chapters of Genesis, it explains how we tossed God out the window, it's our fault that we have pain, not God's. To summarize why, God doesn't take the pain, so that those who reject him will turn to him. That is what I believe. |
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12-14-14 02:59 PM
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PacmanandMariofan : Well... You have very interesting thoghts on this matter. The words "he wants there to be a lot of life on" makes me think, something about this planet is wrong. A mistake? Something happen. |
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12-14-14 03:08 PM
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darthyoda : I have heard of this, but I don't know why he had to give his son. Why didnt he stop them from killing his son? I have so many questions I know I'm sorry guys. I'm sorry guys. |
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12-14-14 03:13 PM
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chryoyo : So many things about this planet are wrong in God's eyes. And most of it is because of humans. We care way more about ourselves than we do God's other animals. We frequently struggle/refuse to be grateful for what we have. We don't treat this planet well enough. We tend to living life our way instead of God's way. Those are just a few examples. Edit: To answer your question to darthyoda, he didn't stop people from killing his son because he wanted his son to die on the cross for everyone. Not just everyone living at the time, but everyone who would live after that time. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Corinthians 5:21) Edit: To answer your question to darthyoda, he didn't stop people from killing his son because he wanted his son to die on the cross for everyone. Not just everyone living at the time, but everyone who would live after that time. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Corinthians 5:21) |
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12-14-14 03:25 PM
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PacmanandMariofan : Found it. It's at the start of the bible right? The snake! Of course, it all makes sence. We are imperfect. He did'nt make a mistake. We did! Of course, it all makes sence. We are imperfect. He did'nt make a mistake. We did! |
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chryoyo : Life would be really boring if we all were smart. If we were all smart, we'd all know the same things and there would be no questions in life. There would be no need to ask a question and if we knew everything, we wouldn't be able to make funny jokes. That isn't living, that's just surviving. I forget what that's from but I thought it would go well here . I hope I answered your question.. I hope I answered your question. |
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I don't think this has been said on this page, but God gives us freedom of choice or free will. He is not our puppet master. If he was then I am sure there would be no pain, but I will take my freedom with pain. I was recently reading the book of Job and one thing in there that God said was that the world was wondrous, but also dangerous. It basically said the world was risky, but also amazing. Also, that bad things will happen from time to time, but also really amazing and cool things as well. I don't think this has been said on this page, but God gives us freedom of choice or free will. He is not our puppet master. If he was then I am sure there would be no pain, but I will take my freedom with pain. I was recently reading the book of Job and one thing in there that God said was that the world was wondrous, but also dangerous. It basically said the world was risky, but also amazing. Also, that bad things will happen from time to time, but also really amazing and cool things as well. |
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Hello "Chryoyo". I'm not a person of faith but I think I can answer your question. One of the ideas of christian faith.... is that "God Created Man In His Own Image". There are also a few verses that cover the notion that "God" already did his part. The rest is up to mankind. I'm not a fan of the first part of my post. I am of the second part. I do not have faith anymore for many reasons but I do not take issue with anyone who wants to use the wisdom that can be found in that faith. Depending on who interprets what and how? It can be a wonderful tool. Just a thought. The point is... that everyone has thier own particular struggle and we are each intended to go through the motions alone anyway. (I do not need religion to tell me this. Some things in life are obvious.) I hope this helps a little. Good Luck. Good Luck To All. Peace. Hello "Chryoyo". I'm not a person of faith but I think I can answer your question. One of the ideas of christian faith.... is that "God Created Man In His Own Image". There are also a few verses that cover the notion that "God" already did his part. The rest is up to mankind. I'm not a fan of the first part of my post. I am of the second part. I do not have faith anymore for many reasons but I do not take issue with anyone who wants to use the wisdom that can be found in that faith. Depending on who interprets what and how? It can be a wonderful tool. Just a thought. The point is... that everyone has thier own particular struggle and we are each intended to go through the motions alone anyway. (I do not need religion to tell me this. Some things in life are obvious.) I hope this helps a little. Good Luck. Good Luck To All. Peace. |
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chryoyo: So I'm going to take several different points from your responses, and quote them below. Then I'll be answering your questions to the best of my abilities. Before I do, however, I want to say this. If this is about 'winning,' then we can never give you the answer you are looking for. Because there is no 'right' answer. Everyone has a different interpretation of the Bible, as well as the reasons G-d does things. The only way to get the answers you want is by researching, looking in the Word, and asking Him. Now onto the questions! "I'm not a christian BUT, I do like to study religions. So the question I have is, If "god" can do anything, Why does'nt he snap his fingers and end all our pain right now? I mean I don't want to sound mean or make fun of you, it's simply a question. To me it just does'nt make sence. I'm afraid your answer brings up another question. Why does'nt god make us smarter? You see there is no reason for us to go thow this. So why does he make us? Of course you are very much correct. There would be no point to life, without pain. However, the bible speaks of a place called heaven. It's a place where you will never be upset, or angry. The roads paved with gold. No more fear pain or tears. He could simply take us there right now. So why does'nt he. Is it real. I want to get the the bottom of this. Someone tell me. Why. I have heard of this, but I don't know why he had to give his son. Why didnt he stop them from killing his son? I have so many questions I know I'm sorry guys." So to start this, we need to go into Genesis 1:26(NIV).. "Then God said, Let us make man in our own image, in our likeness, so that they may rule of the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." He created us in his likeness and image. Us. Humans. You, me, every single person. In that we can guess that we all represent Him in some way or another. However, that doesn't answer your question does it? You see, G-d had relationship with Adam and Eve. He walked the gardens with Adam and Eve(Genesis 3:8). There was no pain, until Eve ate from the apple. Later on, there was a great flood because of the wickedness in our hearts that had turned so far from G-d. It was when Noah built an Altar to the Lord that God told Him that He would never curse the world(Genesis 8:20), because of man. If G-d were to 'snap his fingers and end all pain,' as you put it, then He'd be breaking that promise, don't you think? Every one of us is in pain of some sort, whether it be a bad knee, to cancer. For some it's emotional pain. Even more to the point, Pain isn't a bad thing. Pain is our bodies way of telling us that there's something wrong. It tells us that we need to heal whatever we've hurt-from our heart to our bodies. Seriously, someone once said that Pain is Experience, and Experience tells us what NOT to do(not a clue who, so please don't ask). 'Oh I cut myself by falling into a rock when I was biking. Well I'll be sure not to do that again, and be more careful when I'm biking to make sure there is nothing on the ground that could cause me to fall off that bike.' 'Oh I ended up being hurt by a person, who others had told me would hurt me? Well let me make sure to not trust that person again, and keep be more careful about who I trust, because not everyone deserves my trust. Remember, Christina, don't throw my pearls out to the swine.' Hmm funny how that works out, huh? That pain I was going through at that moment helped prepare me for the future, and take better care of myself in the future. Why would you, or anyone else for that matter, want G-d to take away our pain with the snap of his fingers? Where would the learning be in that? Which brings us to your next question. Why doesn't G-d just make us 'smarter?' How do you know we aren't as smart as Him? Even more to the point, just because we have all the answers doesn't mean we're going to do what we know is the right thing to do. We're human. We make mistakes. I know not to trust a person, and yet I trust them anyway. Why? Because I'm human. I know not to put my hand on a stove, and yet I do anyway. Why? Because I'm human, and I felt like it. So it wouldn't matter if He made us 'smarter' or not, because we're human. We'll do things that are rather dumb anyway. He doesn't make us do anything. We make the choices we do. You say you don't believe in G-d right? If He wanted to make all of us do things, then there would be no question of whether He was real or not because we'd all be mindless drones. Instead He gave us choice, which I for one am glad for. I'd rather have choice any day, and decide for myself or not what to do. Or not to do. Now you ask why G-d doesn't take us to Heaven, where there is no pain and suffering. Have you ever heard the saying that it's when we have something all our lives we're more likely to take advantage of it, then be thankful? I think this has a lot to do with it, personally. We need to know love(truly known love), and thankfulness in our hearts to get to Heaven. So much of the world today is anger, and sadness, that we wouldn't know what to do with a place that is known as Paradise. I'm not saying that everyone is angry and sad, but that doesn't mean we know what love really is or what it really means to be thankful. There have been stories about men walking on earth one day, and the next no longer here. The story of Enoch(guy in the Bible), is one such story. It is said that he walked so closely with G-d, that G-d took him and brought him to Heaven. His story is in Genesis 5. It also says, in Genesis, that Enoch walked closely with G-d. That he was faithful to Him. Maybe that's why He doesn't just take us to Heaven. Then there's the whole, would people really want to go? Now to your last question. Why did G-d send his son down to be killed. You ready to hear a verse you've probably heard a lot? John 3:16(NIV), "For God so loved the World that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life and shall not perish." What people tend to forget is the verses before and after the above verse. John 3:1-20. NIV. "Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again(oh look perhaps that's why G-d doesn't just snap his fingers and send everyone to Heaven).” 4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”(Oh, so we cannot enter the Kingdom of G-d unless we are saved? Well that makes a lot of sense.) 9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. 10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." Let's look at 3:17 again, "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." G-d wanted us to be saved, He still wants us to be saved. He wants to take away the pain. Take away the hurt. But we don't let Him. We don't let Him in to the hurt. I feel like this question, the original one, isn't so much about the physical pain that you're talking about but the emotional. The hurt that we feel when we've been truly wronged by a person. That kind of pain is one that takes time to heal. It doesn't matter if you believe in G-d or not, that pain is going to be there. It's going to happen. People, humans, aren't the nicest of people all the time. They hurt you, and the only way to get that pain out is by forgiving, letting go, and going to G-d. Asking Him to take it away. He will, trust me(I speak from experience). That's why He let His Son be killed. To give us a way into Heaven. Because when Jesus died on the cross, He died for Us. Our Sins. He wasn't filled with anger or hate towards us, which He had every right to be. In the midst of all the pain He was going through, Jesus still looked up to the skies to pray to G-d asking Him to forgive every single person, saying "Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing(Luke 23:34 NIV)." Now onto the questions! "I'm not a christian BUT, I do like to study religions. So the question I have is, If "god" can do anything, Why does'nt he snap his fingers and end all our pain right now? I mean I don't want to sound mean or make fun of you, it's simply a question. To me it just does'nt make sence. I'm afraid your answer brings up another question. Why does'nt god make us smarter? You see there is no reason for us to go thow this. So why does he make us? Of course you are very much correct. There would be no point to life, without pain. However, the bible speaks of a place called heaven. It's a place where you will never be upset, or angry. The roads paved with gold. No more fear pain or tears. He could simply take us there right now. So why does'nt he. Is it real. I want to get the the bottom of this. Someone tell me. Why. I have heard of this, but I don't know why he had to give his son. Why didnt he stop them from killing his son? I have so many questions I know I'm sorry guys." So to start this, we need to go into Genesis 1:26(NIV).. "Then God said, Let us make man in our own image, in our likeness, so that they may rule of the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." He created us in his likeness and image. Us. Humans. You, me, every single person. In that we can guess that we all represent Him in some way or another. However, that doesn't answer your question does it? You see, G-d had relationship with Adam and Eve. He walked the gardens with Adam and Eve(Genesis 3:8). There was no pain, until Eve ate from the apple. Later on, there was a great flood because of the wickedness in our hearts that had turned so far from G-d. It was when Noah built an Altar to the Lord that God told Him that He would never curse the world(Genesis 8:20), because of man. If G-d were to 'snap his fingers and end all pain,' as you put it, then He'd be breaking that promise, don't you think? Every one of us is in pain of some sort, whether it be a bad knee, to cancer. For some it's emotional pain. Even more to the point, Pain isn't a bad thing. Pain is our bodies way of telling us that there's something wrong. It tells us that we need to heal whatever we've hurt-from our heart to our bodies. Seriously, someone once said that Pain is Experience, and Experience tells us what NOT to do(not a clue who, so please don't ask). 'Oh I cut myself by falling into a rock when I was biking. Well I'll be sure not to do that again, and be more careful when I'm biking to make sure there is nothing on the ground that could cause me to fall off that bike.' 'Oh I ended up being hurt by a person, who others had told me would hurt me? Well let me make sure to not trust that person again, and keep be more careful about who I trust, because not everyone deserves my trust. Remember, Christina, don't throw my pearls out to the swine.' Hmm funny how that works out, huh? That pain I was going through at that moment helped prepare me for the future, and take better care of myself in the future. Why would you, or anyone else for that matter, want G-d to take away our pain with the snap of his fingers? Where would the learning be in that? Which brings us to your next question. Why doesn't G-d just make us 'smarter?' How do you know we aren't as smart as Him? Even more to the point, just because we have all the answers doesn't mean we're going to do what we know is the right thing to do. We're human. We make mistakes. I know not to trust a person, and yet I trust them anyway. Why? Because I'm human. I know not to put my hand on a stove, and yet I do anyway. Why? Because I'm human, and I felt like it. So it wouldn't matter if He made us 'smarter' or not, because we're human. We'll do things that are rather dumb anyway. He doesn't make us do anything. We make the choices we do. You say you don't believe in G-d right? If He wanted to make all of us do things, then there would be no question of whether He was real or not because we'd all be mindless drones. Instead He gave us choice, which I for one am glad for. I'd rather have choice any day, and decide for myself or not what to do. Or not to do. Now you ask why G-d doesn't take us to Heaven, where there is no pain and suffering. Have you ever heard the saying that it's when we have something all our lives we're more likely to take advantage of it, then be thankful? I think this has a lot to do with it, personally. We need to know love(truly known love), and thankfulness in our hearts to get to Heaven. So much of the world today is anger, and sadness, that we wouldn't know what to do with a place that is known as Paradise. I'm not saying that everyone is angry and sad, but that doesn't mean we know what love really is or what it really means to be thankful. There have been stories about men walking on earth one day, and the next no longer here. The story of Enoch(guy in the Bible), is one such story. It is said that he walked so closely with G-d, that G-d took him and brought him to Heaven. His story is in Genesis 5. It also says, in Genesis, that Enoch walked closely with G-d. That he was faithful to Him. Maybe that's why He doesn't just take us to Heaven. Then there's the whole, would people really want to go? Now to your last question. Why did G-d send his son down to be killed. You ready to hear a verse you've probably heard a lot? John 3:16(NIV), "For God so loved the World that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life and shall not perish." What people tend to forget is the verses before and after the above verse. John 3:1-20. NIV. "Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again(oh look perhaps that's why G-d doesn't just snap his fingers and send everyone to Heaven).” 4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”(Oh, so we cannot enter the Kingdom of G-d unless we are saved? Well that makes a lot of sense.) 9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. 10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." Let's look at 3:17 again, "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." G-d wanted us to be saved, He still wants us to be saved. He wants to take away the pain. Take away the hurt. But we don't let Him. We don't let Him in to the hurt. I feel like this question, the original one, isn't so much about the physical pain that you're talking about but the emotional. The hurt that we feel when we've been truly wronged by a person. That kind of pain is one that takes time to heal. It doesn't matter if you believe in G-d or not, that pain is going to be there. It's going to happen. People, humans, aren't the nicest of people all the time. They hurt you, and the only way to get that pain out is by forgiving, letting go, and going to G-d. Asking Him to take it away. He will, trust me(I speak from experience). That's why He let His Son be killed. To give us a way into Heaven. Because when Jesus died on the cross, He died for Us. Our Sins. He wasn't filled with anger or hate towards us, which He had every right to be. In the midst of all the pain He was going through, Jesus still looked up to the skies to pray to G-d asking Him to forgive every single person, saying "Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing(Luke 23:34 NIV)." |
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