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Honestly I'm not going to read any of the other posts in this thread... Simply because illegal immigration is against the law

Whilst immigration is legal. 

Simple.

Also Sonic is the best! 
Honestly I'm not going to read any of the other posts in this thread... Simply because illegal immigration is against the law

Whilst immigration is legal. 

Simple.

Also Sonic is the best! 
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sonicmcmuffin : Exactly. That is exactly the kind of logic that thenumberone doesn't seem to get.
sonicmcmuffin : Exactly. That is exactly the kind of logic that thenumberone doesn't seem to get.
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thenumberone:

Just cause your country calls yourself a civilian, that does not make you a civilian in another countries eyes. Crossing the boarder illegally makes you a lawbreaker. Lawbreakers must be dealt with, not rewarded. If the problem persists, make the penalty harder. This problem has been going on for a long time. They are lawbreakers for breaking the law. That's what they did. Break the law. And now they want to stay here, and have all the benefits of everyone else- without following the rules for coming here.

I think that a person could be a civilian and a lawbreaker at the same time I suppose, that that would mean the even drug dealers, murder's and more also count as civilians. I don't think that you can claim that you are a "civilian" once you've broken the law and haven't made restitution.

Then you are an outlaw.

Think about this. We don't even have to shoot them! you just yell at them, "get away from here, this is illegal." And if they persist.

Dumb, dumb on their end. You warned them fair and square. I have no idea why we should pity them in that situation. But hey, most people would turn away, wouldn't they?

Actually, according to the Torah, there is no command to stop immigrants, nor is there any law hindering the making of a law by local jurisdiction that stops immigrants from coming in. I don't really have a problem with immigrants, I just want them to come in. . . legally.

"You're forefathers never "made" it, they took it."

I don't understand this statement.

"Billions of years of chemical reactios formed the earth, and in only a few hundred humans drew invisible lines to divide it amongst themselves."
 
Really? You mean that this all came by chance? Or was it all created by and intelligent God? Hmmm. . . that's hard to choose between, I mean, wow. That's like trying to decide if men should be allowed to marry men or not.

It's so hard to see the common sense in all this!

Perhaps. . ohhh, maybe you're disagreeing with me all the time, cuase your just a google bot that came together by chance!

yes!

What am I still debating you here for even?

I made a mistake:

I said:

"You don't join a better football team and then take charge of it!"

I meant to say:

"You don't just join a better football team and then take charge of it!"

So, I would agree with your follow up statement.

"Considering the fact america spends billions training and supplying the military of south american states, its highly unlikely the people could overcome them. Perhaps if that money was used to better the peoples conditions, they might not be so desperate toleave their homes. No one wants to leave their life behind, circumstance forces them. Even most of your 'forefathers' left for america reluctantly."

Yeah, I don't get why we give money to other people's militaries, I would like to stop that.
thenumberone:

Just cause your country calls yourself a civilian, that does not make you a civilian in another countries eyes. Crossing the boarder illegally makes you a lawbreaker. Lawbreakers must be dealt with, not rewarded. If the problem persists, make the penalty harder. This problem has been going on for a long time. They are lawbreakers for breaking the law. That's what they did. Break the law. And now they want to stay here, and have all the benefits of everyone else- without following the rules for coming here.

I think that a person could be a civilian and a lawbreaker at the same time I suppose, that that would mean the even drug dealers, murder's and more also count as civilians. I don't think that you can claim that you are a "civilian" once you've broken the law and haven't made restitution.

Then you are an outlaw.

Think about this. We don't even have to shoot them! you just yell at them, "get away from here, this is illegal." And if they persist.

Dumb, dumb on their end. You warned them fair and square. I have no idea why we should pity them in that situation. But hey, most people would turn away, wouldn't they?

Actually, according to the Torah, there is no command to stop immigrants, nor is there any law hindering the making of a law by local jurisdiction that stops immigrants from coming in. I don't really have a problem with immigrants, I just want them to come in. . . legally.

"You're forefathers never "made" it, they took it."

I don't understand this statement.

"Billions of years of chemical reactios formed the earth, and in only a few hundred humans drew invisible lines to divide it amongst themselves."
 
Really? You mean that this all came by chance? Or was it all created by and intelligent God? Hmmm. . . that's hard to choose between, I mean, wow. That's like trying to decide if men should be allowed to marry men or not.

It's so hard to see the common sense in all this!

Perhaps. . ohhh, maybe you're disagreeing with me all the time, cuase your just a google bot that came together by chance!

yes!

What am I still debating you here for even?

I made a mistake:

I said:

"You don't join a better football team and then take charge of it!"

I meant to say:

"You don't just join a better football team and then take charge of it!"

So, I would agree with your follow up statement.

"Considering the fact america spends billions training and supplying the military of south american states, its highly unlikely the people could overcome them. Perhaps if that money was used to better the peoples conditions, they might not be so desperate toleave their homes. No one wants to leave their life behind, circumstance forces them. Even most of your 'forefathers' left for america reluctantly."

Yeah, I don't get why we give money to other people's militaries, I would like to stop that.
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Sword legion : "Really? You mean that this all came by chance? Or was it all created by and intelligent God? Hmmm. . . that's hard to choose between, I mean, wow. That's like trying to decide if men should be allowed to marry men or not." 

This is most ridiculous comparison I have ever seen you make. Bravo. 
Sword legion : "Really? You mean that this all came by chance? Or was it all created by and intelligent God? Hmmm. . . that's hard to choose between, I mean, wow. That's like trying to decide if men should be allowed to marry men or not." 

This is most ridiculous comparison I have ever seen you make. Bravo. 
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kingvictory :
As I said before, No one is suggesting we let them come in.
"America has no more money left and is nothing, they leave. Just like a parasite. And hitler took their rights, then killed them, not "planned to move them."
Hitler did plan to move them, im sorry, but you arent going to outdo me on history..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

You are even now calling the immigrants parasites, yet you dont see your similarittys? Interesting.
I said minor laws being broken. Given what you have already said, I'm not surprised you regard murder as a minor crime.

@Tgags
I'm sorry but you can no way argue for logic, ever again. You simply want to kill anyone that inconveniences you, thats not logical, its psychotic.

Sword legion :
Iv tried to explain the defenition of civiliian to you, theres really nothing more to be said here.
The word is not region bound, any yes, criminals are still civilians, albeit bad ones.
kingvictory :
As I said before, No one is suggesting we let them come in.
"America has no more money left and is nothing, they leave. Just like a parasite. And hitler took their rights, then killed them, not "planned to move them."
Hitler did plan to move them, im sorry, but you arent going to outdo me on history..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

You are even now calling the immigrants parasites, yet you dont see your similarittys? Interesting.
I said minor laws being broken. Given what you have already said, I'm not surprised you regard murder as a minor crime.

@Tgags
I'm sorry but you can no way argue for logic, ever again. You simply want to kill anyone that inconveniences you, thats not logical, its psychotic.

Sword legion :
Iv tried to explain the defenition of civiliian to you, theres really nothing more to be said here.
The word is not region bound, any yes, criminals are still civilians, albeit bad ones.
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thenumberone : oh please tell me your solution to stop this, then. since your so adamant that we don't let them in but at the same time try not to stop them is baffling.
thenumberone : oh please tell me your solution to stop this, then. since your so adamant that we don't let them in but at the same time try not to stop them is baffling.
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thenumberone : They are coming into our country illegally and we cannot stop them. Sending armed guards down there with guns will scare them away. They will think twice about trying to cross the border if they know that there is a pretty good chance that they will take a bullet to the face.
thenumberone : They are coming into our country illegally and we cannot stop them. Sending armed guards down there with guns will scare them away. They will think twice about trying to cross the border if they know that there is a pretty good chance that they will take a bullet to the face.
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kingvictory :
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Alright, so here's how we stop them. First, we spend billions of dollars that we don't have on a large electrical fence and boarder guard, land and sea, to prevent digging under, creating a hole, or sailing around. Then, we invade Mexico and create another wall as a "boarder zone", so that it is really, really hard to get to the other wall. Finally, we declare bankruptcy and now all the Americans will be illegally immigrating to Mexico. Except now Mexico will be powering the fences and boarder patrol and not letting any retarded northerners immigrate.

A real solution to the problem is this: take away all penalties for hiring illegals. Open the boarders. Permanent amnesty. This costs less than spending a billion a year on maintenance and deporting the same people multiple times. BUT they are still subject to taxes, only give citizens health care, only give citizens minimum wage, only let citizens vote, etc. This stimulates the economy while marginalizing costs.

American citizens are the responsibility of America. If they do not become citizens, they may stay, but they do not receive much protection from the country they are in. Their labor will be subject to absolute supply and demand. Mexico's minimum wage for city workers is about $5.25 an hour. If there are too many non-citizen laborers here, the price of an hour of work will continually decrease. Eventually, immigrants will make less money here than in Mexico. However, there is now a large labor force added to our economy that is paid based on free market, which allows businesses, especially small business, to reduce costs and expand business.
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tgags123 :

Alright, so here's how we stop them. First, we spend billions of dollars that we don't have on a large electrical fence and boarder guard, land and sea, to prevent digging under, creating a hole, or sailing around. Then, we invade Mexico and create another wall as a "boarder zone", so that it is really, really hard to get to the other wall. Finally, we declare bankruptcy and now all the Americans will be illegally immigrating to Mexico. Except now Mexico will be powering the fences and boarder patrol and not letting any retarded northerners immigrate.

A real solution to the problem is this: take away all penalties for hiring illegals. Open the boarders. Permanent amnesty. This costs less than spending a billion a year on maintenance and deporting the same people multiple times. BUT they are still subject to taxes, only give citizens health care, only give citizens minimum wage, only let citizens vote, etc. This stimulates the economy while marginalizing costs.

American citizens are the responsibility of America. If they do not become citizens, they may stay, but they do not receive much protection from the country they are in. Their labor will be subject to absolute supply and demand. Mexico's minimum wage for city workers is about $5.25 an hour. If there are too many non-citizen laborers here, the price of an hour of work will continually decrease. Eventually, immigrants will make less money here than in Mexico. However, there is now a large labor force added to our economy that is paid based on free market, which allows businesses, especially small business, to reduce costs and expand business.
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Txgangsta : This whole problem happened because we just "let them in"
Txgangsta : This whole problem happened because we just "let them in"
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kingvictory :
When did I say dont try to stop them? Shooting them is not the only singular way to keep them out, they dont just let them waltz around as it stands.

Txgangsta :
That's fine and well for the businesses, but it reduces the quality of life for everyone else. You will be living in slums 8 to a flat. New accommodation wont be created because no one can afford it.
It will be the Americans then attempting to jump border to Canada (although that would be amusing, because I dont doubt the people arguing about how illegals are a scourge would be trying to illegally enter Canada).
kingvictory :
When did I say dont try to stop them? Shooting them is not the only singular way to keep them out, they dont just let them waltz around as it stands.

Txgangsta :
That's fine and well for the businesses, but it reduces the quality of life for everyone else. You will be living in slums 8 to a flat. New accommodation wont be created because no one can afford it.
It will be the Americans then attempting to jump border to Canada (although that would be amusing, because I dont doubt the people arguing about how illegals are a scourge would be trying to illegally enter Canada).
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kingvictory :

I don't see much of a problem. And I'm from Texas. Texas has one of the lowest jobless rates too, yet we have all these immigrant problems? I think the economic stimulus of having cheap labor helps employ more people.

thenumberone :

I already live in a house with 5 others. Adding two more just means that our single rooms disappear. No big deal to me. We might need another fridge...

The economic benefits of the labor force would more than compensate for the quality of life. I think quality of life would actually increase.
kingvictory :

I don't see much of a problem. And I'm from Texas. Texas has one of the lowest jobless rates too, yet we have all these immigrant problems? I think the economic stimulus of having cheap labor helps employ more people.

thenumberone :

I already live in a house with 5 others. Adding two more just means that our single rooms disappear. No big deal to me. We might need another fridge...

The economic benefits of the labor force would more than compensate for the quality of life. I think quality of life would actually increase.
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Txgangsta : if it wasn't a problem, then we wouldn't need a border, there is a problem and that's why we have it. Also thenumberone what is your full solution then, hmm? we just put a big gate and whoever can climb it can stay, or lets have 5 guards with batons beating the masses who are trying to come over which would be too much for them? I've already said it, they aren't gonna stop, and they don't care to die, they just want to get to America, no matter what, and death isn't going to stop them, its to avoid the inevitable.
Txgangsta : if it wasn't a problem, then we wouldn't need a border, there is a problem and that's why we have it. Also thenumberone what is your full solution then, hmm? we just put a big gate and whoever can climb it can stay, or lets have 5 guards with batons beating the masses who are trying to come over which would be too much for them? I've already said it, they aren't gonna stop, and they don't care to die, they just want to get to America, no matter what, and death isn't going to stop them, its to avoid the inevitable.
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kingvictory :

There is a "boarder" because USA and Mexico are not the same country. Do you know what the boarder looks like? Not the best stopping power...

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There is a "boarder" because USA and Mexico are not the same country. Do you know what the boarder looks like? Not the best stopping power...

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Txgangsta : thaqt is a horrible picture of it, you sir need to use Google images more efficiently

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+border&client=firefox-a&hs=0uE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Jy3ZU-72I8mcyASrqILQDA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943#channel=sb&q=the%20mexican%20border&revid=1805695435&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=ID6zBeybsyLNgM%253A%3BiqNlydy8SAp63M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fhumanevents.com%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F05%252Fborder-fence.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fhumanevents.com%252F2013%252F05%252F29%252Fwhat-is-the-real-number-of-illegal-border-crossings%252F%3B550%3B367
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tgags123 : I know that you said that you weren't as knowledgeable on this topic, but there is one thing you need to get strait here. First off, I am not the biggest fan of Obama at this point. Don't really care for him. But it is not his fault that the children are taken in. Why doesn't he just deport them instead of taking them in? Who's fault could that be? None other than George Bush. He signed the bill in 2008 that stated that children from countries not bordering the US cannot be immediately deported. They have to be given their due process before deportation. It was Bush who signed off on that law, but the Conservative party just loves to not remember details like that. If Bush hadn't signed that, there would be nothing keeping the recent wave of kids (who are refugees, mind you) from deportation. Just because Obama is president now does NOT mean that he can just ignore the bills passed by Bush. So in the future, make sure that you are pointing the blame finger at the right person. Now, in case you are referring to just the act of taking in the kids, you seem to not understand the difference between accepting them, and making them citizens. There is a huge difference. I'll touch on that in a second.

In many circumstances, I think that immigrants should go through the right process of entering the country. But the recent children wave is different. Their parents aren't coming with them in most of these cases. They aren't coming here to try to get jobs. This is a refugee situation. These kids are fleeing, not just moving in. Now, some Senators went to Guatemala recently and stated that they saw no reason to believe that there was life threatening danger in that country. But funny how they say that when they never left their hotel. Why? They were not allowed to leave their hotel to because it was [too dangerous]. Anyone else wonder how you can go to a country where you can't leave the hotel because it is too dangerous, then coming back and saying that there is no danger?

And I gotta say that you are too extreme. Saying we should shoot anything trying to cross. You know that in this country, shooting someone just for trespassing is still considered murder? Your suggestion is that when you see people who pose no intention of endangering your life, we should shoot them? Rewind. We should murder them? And given that the current issue is over 52,000 KIDS crossing, you say we should shoot the kids? And people wonder why so many countries hate America. Why is it that we are so tunnel visioned into only looking at ourselves and ignoring what goes on elsewhere. So many people in this country has this attitude that if it isn't happening to them, it isn't their problem. I bet that if I asked ANYONE who has posted in this thread that if you got a knock at your door and there was a kid, heck, a family, that escaped being held captive by someone who was beating them or was going to kill them, you would claim you would take them into your home, call the authorities, and keep the person/s safe. When it is someone from your own country, it is the right thing to do. When someone from another country is basically running here for safety, our attitude is "not our problem. Get the #### out of here!"

Take Syria, for example. There is a lot of discussion on the politics and security, that there is a lot of people forgetting what is happening to the Syrians. The refugees there are fleeing from being bombed, beaten, shot, held captive. What do they get from the bordering countries. Compassion. Hardened soldiers at the Jordan border hiding their weapons just to let the kids who are crossing know that they are safe now. They don't need to be afraid. So many average Joe people in those countries working tirelessly to take care of them during their moment of crisis. Showing that there is some decency in humanity, still.

Now, back to refugee/citizenship. Again, don't care for Obama, but I think that taking them in is the right thing to do. Yes, it is a spending of the taxpayer dollar to take them in and care for them. Yes, it will take a lot of work to care for them. Yes, it is not the most convenient thing. But I think that it is crappy that money is all so many people in this country can think about. How they want their tax dollars spent. If it isn't being spent in a way that makes their own lives more convenient or better, they are against it. The thought of helping someone else just because they don't live here is disgusting. There is a very real problem and threat to these people. They are fleeing. We have the ability to let them in as guests and let them know that they are safe here. People who just look at this as illegal immigration issues, people taking our jobs, etc are looking at this issue thinking of NOTHING but what benefits them. Nothing more. Being very self centered. So many would love to see a day where there truly is world peace and compassion to everyone. Problem is, people are only willing to do that on a small scale like the example I brought before where they can protect a family who is banging on their front door after fleeing danger. But when it comes to whole countries, people couldn't give a crap about anyone who is not American. We are like the spoiled millionaire toddler who has more food and toys than he/she could EVER need, but refusing to let another toddler touch their things just because they never learned to share. I'm not saying that we should just start adopting a share the wealth attitude to everyone who asks. I understand that we will never live in a world where people wouldn't take advantage and manipulate the hell out of a country that did that. But for God's sake, show some compassion. Many people here are of religious faith. Isn't turning your back on someone in need who is fleeing to you and just throwing them back into the lion's den exactly what God would frown upon? When did God start telling us that it is acceptable to think only about helping ourselves and clinging to all the resources we have like a baby with their comfort blanket? No doubt in my mind that all this political squabble and self centered thinking is not in line with what so many of you preach.

Sword Legion: How is more illegal immigrants more votes for Obama. One, he can't be elected another term, so that would be pointless. Two, you can't vote unless you are a registered voter, in which you have to be able to show documented proof that you are a US citizen, which illegal immigrants can't do....... So I ask again. How is it more votes for him? Doesn't make much sense to try to get votes by bringing in people who can't vote, and makes even less sense to try to get votes when you are on your last term and can't be reelected.
tgags123 : I know that you said that you weren't as knowledgeable on this topic, but there is one thing you need to get strait here. First off, I am not the biggest fan of Obama at this point. Don't really care for him. But it is not his fault that the children are taken in. Why doesn't he just deport them instead of taking them in? Who's fault could that be? None other than George Bush. He signed the bill in 2008 that stated that children from countries not bordering the US cannot be immediately deported. They have to be given their due process before deportation. It was Bush who signed off on that law, but the Conservative party just loves to not remember details like that. If Bush hadn't signed that, there would be nothing keeping the recent wave of kids (who are refugees, mind you) from deportation. Just because Obama is president now does NOT mean that he can just ignore the bills passed by Bush. So in the future, make sure that you are pointing the blame finger at the right person. Now, in case you are referring to just the act of taking in the kids, you seem to not understand the difference between accepting them, and making them citizens. There is a huge difference. I'll touch on that in a second.

In many circumstances, I think that immigrants should go through the right process of entering the country. But the recent children wave is different. Their parents aren't coming with them in most of these cases. They aren't coming here to try to get jobs. This is a refugee situation. These kids are fleeing, not just moving in. Now, some Senators went to Guatemala recently and stated that they saw no reason to believe that there was life threatening danger in that country. But funny how they say that when they never left their hotel. Why? They were not allowed to leave their hotel to because it was [too dangerous]. Anyone else wonder how you can go to a country where you can't leave the hotel because it is too dangerous, then coming back and saying that there is no danger?

And I gotta say that you are too extreme. Saying we should shoot anything trying to cross. You know that in this country, shooting someone just for trespassing is still considered murder? Your suggestion is that when you see people who pose no intention of endangering your life, we should shoot them? Rewind. We should murder them? And given that the current issue is over 52,000 KIDS crossing, you say we should shoot the kids? And people wonder why so many countries hate America. Why is it that we are so tunnel visioned into only looking at ourselves and ignoring what goes on elsewhere. So many people in this country has this attitude that if it isn't happening to them, it isn't their problem. I bet that if I asked ANYONE who has posted in this thread that if you got a knock at your door and there was a kid, heck, a family, that escaped being held captive by someone who was beating them or was going to kill them, you would claim you would take them into your home, call the authorities, and keep the person/s safe. When it is someone from your own country, it is the right thing to do. When someone from another country is basically running here for safety, our attitude is "not our problem. Get the #### out of here!"

Take Syria, for example. There is a lot of discussion on the politics and security, that there is a lot of people forgetting what is happening to the Syrians. The refugees there are fleeing from being bombed, beaten, shot, held captive. What do they get from the bordering countries. Compassion. Hardened soldiers at the Jordan border hiding their weapons just to let the kids who are crossing know that they are safe now. They don't need to be afraid. So many average Joe people in those countries working tirelessly to take care of them during their moment of crisis. Showing that there is some decency in humanity, still.

Now, back to refugee/citizenship. Again, don't care for Obama, but I think that taking them in is the right thing to do. Yes, it is a spending of the taxpayer dollar to take them in and care for them. Yes, it will take a lot of work to care for them. Yes, it is not the most convenient thing. But I think that it is crappy that money is all so many people in this country can think about. How they want their tax dollars spent. If it isn't being spent in a way that makes their own lives more convenient or better, they are against it. The thought of helping someone else just because they don't live here is disgusting. There is a very real problem and threat to these people. They are fleeing. We have the ability to let them in as guests and let them know that they are safe here. People who just look at this as illegal immigration issues, people taking our jobs, etc are looking at this issue thinking of NOTHING but what benefits them. Nothing more. Being very self centered. So many would love to see a day where there truly is world peace and compassion to everyone. Problem is, people are only willing to do that on a small scale like the example I brought before where they can protect a family who is banging on their front door after fleeing danger. But when it comes to whole countries, people couldn't give a crap about anyone who is not American. We are like the spoiled millionaire toddler who has more food and toys than he/she could EVER need, but refusing to let another toddler touch their things just because they never learned to share. I'm not saying that we should just start adopting a share the wealth attitude to everyone who asks. I understand that we will never live in a world where people wouldn't take advantage and manipulate the hell out of a country that did that. But for God's sake, show some compassion. Many people here are of religious faith. Isn't turning your back on someone in need who is fleeing to you and just throwing them back into the lion's den exactly what God would frown upon? When did God start telling us that it is acceptable to think only about helping ourselves and clinging to all the resources we have like a baby with their comfort blanket? No doubt in my mind that all this political squabble and self centered thinking is not in line with what so many of you preach.

Sword Legion: How is more illegal immigrants more votes for Obama. One, he can't be elected another term, so that would be pointless. Two, you can't vote unless you are a registered voter, in which you have to be able to show documented proof that you are a US citizen, which illegal immigrants can't do....... So I ask again. How is it more votes for him? Doesn't make much sense to try to get votes by bringing in people who can't vote, and makes even less sense to try to get votes when you are on your last term and can't be reelected.
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tgags123 : u say that is logic numberone doesn't get, but YOU don't seem to get what carter said. Bush signed the bill that made it where kids can't just be deported. It isn't as black and white as u make it out to be.
tgags123 : u say that is logic numberone doesn't get, but YOU don't seem to get what carter said. Bush signed the bill that made it where kids can't just be deported. It isn't as black and white as u make it out to be.
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I know everything to talk about on this topic and I see many mistakes people have made on their post so here a run down on what is going on.

Why not shoot people?
The usa army cant not shoot anyone who is unarmored, arrest anyone, or do the job of another agent  its the law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The army is free to use so use them!
the army is not free, if a state uses them they will have to pay (tax payers money).

Obama is right use money to fix this problem.
no he is not right or wrong, if we spend money on the boarder crises then nothing happen, illegal people will still think its ok to try again.

We do not need to take care of illegal people.
wrong, The universal Declaration of Human rights which the usa signs says that all human must not be treated badly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

congress must pass a law to fix this problem.
right now there are 5 problems with that answer, first they are on vacation so they wont do anything. Second, voting is nearly close and if they make a mistake they will lose their jobs (we have the power). 3th they are more worry about there state voting for them then the boarder crises. 4th its been reported that they did nothing, there are lazy and I have to agree. Lastly too many problems within the usa to even worry about the boarder, they have no knowledge of why they keep getting so many illegal people.

Obama is doing something that good.
remember Obama is not ok with illegal people and wants money to fix it.

lastly because am so tried 
illegal people are not paying taxes
this has been a rumor since they begin accepting immigration in the 1800s but its not true, everyone even illegal people pay taxes so they would not lose money from their checks. They use fake SSI (as far as I know) and the IRS thinks there legal without sending the cops to arrest them.

if I miss anything post it here but please understand that even if a bill has pass that everyone likes the usa people might bully the immigration people just like they had bully the black people.
I know everything to talk about on this topic and I see many mistakes people have made on their post so here a run down on what is going on.

Why not shoot people?
The usa army cant not shoot anyone who is unarmored, arrest anyone, or do the job of another agent  its the law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The army is free to use so use them!
the army is not free, if a state uses them they will have to pay (tax payers money).

Obama is right use money to fix this problem.
no he is not right or wrong, if we spend money on the boarder crises then nothing happen, illegal people will still think its ok to try again.

We do not need to take care of illegal people.
wrong, The universal Declaration of Human rights which the usa signs says that all human must not be treated badly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

congress must pass a law to fix this problem.
right now there are 5 problems with that answer, first they are on vacation so they wont do anything. Second, voting is nearly close and if they make a mistake they will lose their jobs (we have the power). 3th they are more worry about there state voting for them then the boarder crises. 4th its been reported that they did nothing, there are lazy and I have to agree. Lastly too many problems within the usa to even worry about the boarder, they have no knowledge of why they keep getting so many illegal people.

Obama is doing something that good.
remember Obama is not ok with illegal people and wants money to fix it.

lastly because am so tried 
illegal people are not paying taxes
this has been a rumor since they begin accepting immigration in the 1800s but its not true, everyone even illegal people pay taxes so they would not lose money from their checks. They use fake SSI (as far as I know) and the IRS thinks there legal without sending the cops to arrest them.

if I miss anything post it here but please understand that even if a bill has pass that everyone likes the usa people might bully the immigration people just like they had bully the black people.
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