My theory is a combination of "the Big Bang", "There is no 4th dimension", "existence goes on forever" and "matter and energy can be neither created or destroyed". Lets start with the big bang we all know and love (or hate, if you don't believe in it). A very tightly packed ball of matter that explodes. Everything recombines and scatters. Slowly, gravity starts pulling everything back together (everything has gravitational pull on everything else), and when enough of it gathers together, it can no longer contain the energy contained within and creates a new big bang. Then it starts all over again. Additionally, since the universe goes on forever, there are other big bangs all over the place.

I think both major theories (Big Bang and Creationism/Intelligent Design) are good in their own ways but are both lacking as well.

Some creationists believe in a young earth (6000 years since Adam sort of thing) which is so hard to back up in the face of a LOT of evidence to the contrary.

Big Bang/Evolution theories can't explain how organic matter was created from inorganic origens.

There are other holes and gaps in both theories, or contradictories between the 2. I think the truth is somewhere in between. That's my personal opinion on the subject but it's the only thing that makes sense to me.

And how is there no 4th dimension? You're living in the 4th dimension right now... care to explain that to me?

If by the 4th dimension you mean time, I beleive time is the perception itself, not something that can be perceived. No matter how I look at it, time travel poses a paradox, because if we are indeed able to travel forward in time, then there must be some way to travel backwards, and that is where a problem arises. I have come to beleive that it is just how we explain things to ourselves. If you were not referring to time, I'm still not convinced. Similarly to time, it must work backwards and forwards; if an object can exist with more than 3 dimensions, then it must be able to exist with less than 3. Drawing a square on a piece of paper doesn't count because that is only an assumed figure. Perhaps dimension is also another perception, and describing it as 1D, 2D, or 3D is describing that perception. Perhaps, for humans at least, nothing exists outside of 3D because that is not how out dimensional perception works.

Also, perhaps religious interpretations can be right on a metaphorical level if it is stretched enough.

i personally believe that God created the world in seven days and all that, but i also think there are a lot of holes in that theory. like how can one being create something before the being it's self was created, and the list goes on and on.

Originally posted by rbaranishyn

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but i also think there are a lot of holes in that theory. like how can one being create something before the being it's self was created, and the list goes on and on.

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huh? example?

the god created the world theory you know he created the world in seven days, but how could he be created if there was nothing to create him.

why does he need to be created? it does depend a lot on your definition of creation. If you believe creation to mean "created something out of nothing" then that idea of God goes against the laws of physics.

Here's my question though.... why does it matter where God came from? We can't even grasp the idea of eternity and yet we think we can speculate about where God did or didn't come from.

I suppose any theory would have holes in it by default because any language has holes in it. Consequently, these holes and gray areas can be stretched indefinitely if one does not draw a line as to where it just doesn't count anymore.

Just because we need creation doesn't mean God needs creation because you got to remember God is completely different from us and everything we know of. He passes on infinite life to whatever he creates like us humans. We might not have "infinite life" on earth but when we die we get the gift of eternity whether in haven or hell (or at least I hope so).

Either way you look at it God is infinite whether someone created him or not that is what he is and that is what makes him special. Science will only get in the way because science is only a bit of knowledge we know of to test against theories in our knowledge. If we try to use science to figure out stuff beyond our realm then stuff will not add up.

If god was created then the only way for him to get replaced is when someone or something gains the knowledge he has and then he will get replaced with a new god and the cycle repeats, and a new life begins.

The objective of all life itself (in gods eyes) is to start civilizations at the most primitive then when they become advanced and someone figures out how it works then they become the god or a god... All religions as we know it could be a fake to distract us from becoming knowledgable, it allows the current god to remain god. That is how some sort of god cycle could work, maybe not the god cycle but a god cycle because there could be more then one god and or one main god. Who knows but it makes sense of all life itself and its purpose. It's like a game of cat and mouse

I think that there was a big bang, but there were things in it that were different, because of some holes in the theory, because if the whole space was concentrated into one atom, then was it that for eternity before it exploded.

I don't think we live in a 4th dimentsion because we do not have control over whether we go forward or backwards in time. Also we can not answer when time started, because it seems to go back forever.

First off I have to point out to you guys that the 4th dimension and Time go hand-in-hand, but are not the same thing. i.e. A square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't a square.

Time is a direction; not a dimension.

Think about it this way: If you draw a line that goes infinitely in both directions, and you go in one direction, that direction would be called Time. The other direction therefore would be called Anti-time. The 4th dimension consists of these two elements: Time and Anti-Time, and creates the line parallel to our universe.

Now that we got the Time concept out of the way, let us move on to the Big Bang. We all know this theory can be accepted, but really, where did its own mass and energy come from anyway?

The way I see it is that it didn't pop out of anywhere due to some God or diety (don't call me agnostic for this one). But I believe the theory that Everything came from Nothing.

Yes, I said nothing.

If you can watch this video it would explain things a bit further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

But anyway, its just a theory.

Hey,

I just wanted to say that I am extremely impressed with the way this forum has progressed. When I stumbled upon it, I thought that it would be filled with fighting over the two major positions. Those being the Creation/Intelligent design view and the naturalistic view. This is really inspiring to me to see how people can really come together and not tear each other down as seems to happen on many other sights. As for my personal views,

I am a Christian so therefore I believe in intelligent design. This being that God created the world and all there is, but unlike many Christians I am not so sure the earth had to have been created 6000 years ago. As has already been mentioned, there are significant holes in the young earth position. I find that there is a balance between an older earth position and scripture. To preface my statement, I do not believe in macro-evolution, this theory has not been proven and I find the evidence to support it to be extremely lacking. Micro-evolution on the other hand has been proven countless times and is observable today. So to clarify, I do not believe that humans and animals have evolved over millions and billions of years.

All of this to say, I believe in intelligent design, but do not necessarily adhere to the young earth position, though when reading the Bible this seems like the most logical explanation. Though I believe that scripture allows for the earth to be old without there being contradictions

Kruggles: and in the end.... how the earth was created, and when, doesn't actually matter. Either God did it, or he didn't. The rest is just details that are interesting but not essential.

I guess I agree to a point. I think the semantics do matter because they can greatly affect how one will look at the end result. Ultimately yes, it does come down to whether God did or did not create the universe.

yeah, but my point is either God did it, or he didn't. If God made the Earth and it's 4 billion years old or he made it 10,000 years old doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

And I don't think either side has a winning argument. There are strong points for both an old earth and a young earth creation. I just think some people take the arguing too far when they debate. It isn't a life and death issue in my mind.

I would agree entirely, in the end it doesn't matter. It is a point that receives more attention than it deserves.

my theory is chuck norris roundhouse kicked god so god got angry and created the universe so he can imprison chuck Norris.

Originally posted by pennylessz

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my theory is chuck norris roundhouse kicked god so god got angry and created the universe so he can imprison chuck Norris

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Best theory EVER! And so much more believable then the others

Oh no please dont start with the chuck norris stuff... I don't know why but lots of people here seem to have a massive man crush on him or something his name pops up everywhere.

[sigh]

another serious thread gone sideways.