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10-22-13 03:53 AM
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I have a suggestion that came 2 mind.

Their are some things on this site that you can only do if your a trusted member. So i was thinking that another way 2 get trust points besides somebody giving them 2 you is you get 1 trust point for every 10 thousand cp points. I am not sure how many trust points you need in order 2 become a trusted member but i know that it is at least 5. So if somebody has 50 thousand cp points wouldn't it be fare 2 make them trusted? And if it is 8, 9, ect. That means you would obviously need 80, 90 thousand cp points ect. That would make it fare for everybody 2 be able 2 access the things on the site that only trusted member can access.
I have a suggestion that came 2 mind.

Their are some things on this site that you can only do if your a trusted member. So i was thinking that another way 2 get trust points besides somebody giving them 2 you is you get 1 trust point for every 10 thousand cp points. I am not sure how many trust points you need in order 2 become a trusted member but i know that it is at least 5. So if somebody has 50 thousand cp points wouldn't it be fare 2 make them trusted? And if it is 8, 9, ect. That means you would obviously need 80, 90 thousand cp points ect. That would make it fare for everybody 2 be able 2 access the things on the site that only trusted member can access.
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10-22-13 10:17 AM
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bloodyb : I really think your idea sounds pretty good, about getting trust points every 10,000 CPs, but to my opinion that I think 10,000 CP is too much for a trust point, the reason, only 11 people on Vizzed has at least 10,000 CPs, but maybe 1,000 CPs sounds good to gain trust points. But the only disadvantage is users that gets on and doesn't get on the boards except posting reviews, but as for non-posting newbies, that's 1 CP per day, and that'll take 1,000 days (about 3 years) to get 1 TP so that still won't be a problem
bloodyb : I really think your idea sounds pretty good, about getting trust points every 10,000 CPs, but to my opinion that I think 10,000 CP is too much for a trust point, the reason, only 11 people on Vizzed has at least 10,000 CPs, but maybe 1,000 CPs sounds good to gain trust points. But the only disadvantage is users that gets on and doesn't get on the boards except posting reviews, but as for non-posting newbies, that's 1 CP per day, and that'll take 1,000 days (about 3 years) to get 1 TP so that still won't be a problem
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I think the only problem with this is the fact that people will abuse the review threads. You get a ton of CP from making a review even if it is only 300 words or so (about 20 CP) so effectively newbies will be making a lot of short meanless reviews just to get trust points. IgorBird122 also brought up the fact that 10,000 CP is a bit high for earning 1 trust point. Maybe if you reduce it to every 1,000 CP that would be a little more achievable. It took me a little more than a month to get to 1,000 CP so it would take me around 4 or 5 months to get me to 5,000 (you need 5 trust points to be trusted).
I think this idea is good but it still has the potential to be abused (reviews, vizzed youtube videos ect), I guess it would stop people becoming trusted too quickly from people abusing the rate user button.
I think the only problem with this is the fact that people will abuse the review threads. You get a ton of CP from making a review even if it is only 300 words or so (about 20 CP) so effectively newbies will be making a lot of short meanless reviews just to get trust points. IgorBird122 also brought up the fact that 10,000 CP is a bit high for earning 1 trust point. Maybe if you reduce it to every 1,000 CP that would be a little more achievable. It took me a little more than a month to get to 1,000 CP so it would take me around 4 or 5 months to get me to 5,000 (you need 5 trust points to be trusted).
I think this idea is good but it still has the potential to be abused (reviews, vizzed youtube videos ect), I guess it would stop people becoming trusted too quickly from people abusing the rate user button.
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10-22-13 03:53 PM
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My opinion is NO on this for CP and TP mix pretty much how you are saying.
People pretty much already give TP like candy how it is and usually give them quicker if you are winning in a competition or have a high amount of CP that is like 2k-3k or more. Since it is already easy to earn if you talk to the right people I say this shouldn't happen but it isn't my choice on this.
And for 2nd part lowering it back down to 5 would make it much easier still so I still disagree with it happening.
My opinion is NO on this for CP and TP mix pretty much how you are saying.
People pretty much already give TP like candy how it is and usually give them quicker if you are winning in a competition or have a high amount of CP that is like 2k-3k or more. Since it is already easy to earn if you talk to the right people I say this shouldn't happen but it isn't my choice on this.
And for 2nd part lowering it back down to 5 would make it much easier still so I still disagree with it happening.
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No. This is not a good idea. There would be a TON of issues. One of them would be that people would plagiarize reviews so that they get CP and can become trusted. Also, David doesn't even have 50,000 CP. Actually, he doesn't even have 20,000. Also, it isn't that hard to get TP, so why should we make it even easier?
No. This is not a good idea. There would be a TON of issues. One of them would be that people would plagiarize reviews so that they get CP and can become trusted. Also, David doesn't even have 50,000 CP. Actually, he doesn't even have 20,000. Also, it isn't that hard to get TP, so why should we make it even easier?
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I think it is a good idea but not all the way at 10 000 . But maybe to 5000 . But I  have no power to do that . If I did have the authority I would ask Davideo about it but I don't want to bug him . He is probably busy making vizzed a better place
I think it is a good idea but not all the way at 10 000 . But maybe to 5000 . But I  have no power to do that . If I did have the authority I would ask Davideo about it but I don't want to bug him . He is probably busy making vizzed a better place
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tgags123: It is not that easy to get trusted.
I like this, but I think the having 10,000 each is too much. I would say 5,000.
tgags123: It is not that easy to get trusted.
I like this, but I think the having 10,000 each is too much. I would say 5,000.
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No, I think Trust points should be gained for the people, by the people. As people said, this is abuseable because they could post 50 word reviews and get 10 CP.
No, I think Trust points should be gained for the people, by the people. As people said, this is abuseable because they could post 50 word reviews and get 10 CP.
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tgags123 : I am not sure easy is what we want when it comes to Trust Points. There are tons of complaints about users abusing the trust point system so wouldn't this be a good alternative, that is if the 1 TP for every 10,000 CP gets reduced. We both mentioned that people would make a ton of reviews but if that changed a little so that you get the CP rolling in when you hit 700 words. Then again there still are a few spamming flaws.


I have one final suggestion that has minimum flaws. I think that only moderaters (unless the forum is rented) or higher should be able to give out trust points. They are who I would trust the most for this sort of thing. Possibly staff as well.
tgags123 : I am not sure easy is what we want when it comes to Trust Points. There are tons of complaints about users abusing the trust point system so wouldn't this be a good alternative, that is if the 1 TP for every 10,000 CP gets reduced. We both mentioned that people would make a ton of reviews but if that changed a little so that you get the CP rolling in when you hit 700 words. Then again there still are a few spamming flaws.


I have one final suggestion that has minimum flaws. I think that only moderaters (unless the forum is rented) or higher should be able to give out trust points. They are who I would trust the most for this sort of thing. Possibly staff as well.
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Yeah there are a lot of complaints about flaws with the TP system and it always seems to be an issue with a lot of users. I think that a tp every 10,000 is a bit much, I think that about every 2,000-3,000 Contribution Points is much better than that because only a few users have that much TP. 

Plus, as people pointed out, users would just plagiarize and coy off reviews and do stuff like that and it would just become utter chaos, just over a trust point. So I don't really think that this would be that great of an idea in my opinion. 
Yeah there are a lot of complaints about flaws with the TP system and it always seems to be an issue with a lot of users. I think that a tp every 10,000 is a bit much, I think that about every 2,000-3,000 Contribution Points is much better than that because only a few users have that much TP. 

Plus, as people pointed out, users would just plagiarize and coy off reviews and do stuff like that and it would just become utter chaos, just over a trust point. So I don't really think that this would be that great of an idea in my opinion. 
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I don't find this to be a reasonable idea since CP does not necessarily relate to whether the person is trustworthy or not. The old system when there was no CP made no distinction between the work done for the site vs whether you are trustworthy, so people just use trust points to represent both. CP is meant to separate and clarify the difference between the two, and so trying to bring them back in again is only trying to go back to the old system. People can easily earn enough 5 TPs to be trusted members by reaching the goal of CP. That makes rating to be a little pointless since all they have to do is to go nuts in anything that earns them CP. Even something small like rating a video will help someone gain CP. It doesn't define trustworthiness.
I don't find this to be a reasonable idea since CP does not necessarily relate to whether the person is trustworthy or not. The old system when there was no CP made no distinction between the work done for the site vs whether you are trustworthy, so people just use trust points to represent both. CP is meant to separate and clarify the difference between the two, and so trying to bring them back in again is only trying to go back to the old system. People can easily earn enough 5 TPs to be trusted members by reaching the goal of CP. That makes rating to be a little pointless since all they have to do is to go nuts in anything that earns them CP. Even something small like rating a video will help someone gain CP. It doesn't define trustworthiness.
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This was actually discussed when the TP and CP systems were being revised/created and we decided against it. I think there is some merit to the idea but it was already turned down.
This was actually discussed when the TP and CP systems were being revised/created and we decided against it. I think there is some merit to the idea but it was already turned down.
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CP and Trust points are two completely different things, CP should never equal trust points simply because trust is earned by respecting the rules and others not by earning a certain amount of contribution to the board.
CP and Trust points are two completely different things, CP should never equal trust points simply because trust is earned by respecting the rules and others not by earning a certain amount of contribution to the board.
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I know 10,000 cp points is super high and i know how hard it is 2 get that many cp points. That is why i said 10,000 for 1 trust point. I just think that somebody with a ton of Contribution Points would be trust worthy because other wise they would most likely get banned or at least warned for spamming before they can get enough cp to gain a couple of trust points. I obviously didn't know that this was turned down before or else i wouldn't have wasted my time writing it. And i didn't post this for myself 2 gain any trust points because i don't even have 500 cp points much less 10,000 lol. I posted this for the people that do have super high cp and that do follow the rules and do help people and don't have a single trust point. And this would also allow other people to get trust points. And like i said before, i made it super high so people couldn't spam to gain trust points because of how high it is. They could try but i am sure they would get caught, warned and possibly banned before they could become trusted.
I know 10,000 cp points is super high and i know how hard it is 2 get that many cp points. That is why i said 10,000 for 1 trust point. I just think that somebody with a ton of Contribution Points would be trust worthy because other wise they would most likely get banned or at least warned for spamming before they can get enough cp to gain a couple of trust points. I obviously didn't know that this was turned down before or else i wouldn't have wasted my time writing it. And i didn't post this for myself 2 gain any trust points because i don't even have 500 cp points much less 10,000 lol. I posted this for the people that do have super high cp and that do follow the rules and do help people and don't have a single trust point. And this would also allow other people to get trust points. And like i said before, i made it super high so people couldn't spam to gain trust points because of how high it is. They could try but i am sure they would get caught, warned and possibly banned before they could become trusted.
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play4fun : You do make a really good point P4F, someone can have like 10,000 CPs and still have like no Trust Points, I never really look at it that way.
play4fun : You do make a really good point P4F, someone can have like 10,000 CPs and still have like no Trust Points, I never really look at it that way.
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Sounds like a good idea at first thought but really, people could abuse this in so many ways. All it would take is a bunch of crappy reviews. The TP system is kinda already abused so lets not push it.
Sounds like a good idea at first thought but really, people could abuse this in so many ways. All it would take is a bunch of crappy reviews. The TP system is kinda already abused so lets not push it.
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