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What are your opinions on abortion? I think it is completely wrong and should be considered murder. I wrote an essay for school a  while back this is the rough draft of that essay, I couldn't find the final copy. (I am copying and pasting from Microsoft Word, so the spacing and stuff will be messed up.)



Abortion is a major issue. Abortion is when a
doctor removes or destroys a fetus early in a pregnancy
. Some people are
pro-life, meaning that a fetus is a living thing and deserves to live
. Other people are
pro-choice, meaning women should have the choice if they want to get an
abortion or not
.
Roe vs.
Wade legalized abortion in 1973, but it shouldn't be legal
.



Abortion is wrong. “The pro-life group believes that a fetus is a
human being from the time of conception and that abortion is morally the same as
murder
.” (“At Issue: Abortion,
Moral and Ethical Aspects”)
.
They believe a fetus is a human being from the time of conception, and is
innocent, so by aborting, you are killing an innocent human being
. Abortion can also
harmful to the mother
. It can cause physical and psychological problems
such as infections and even suicidal thoughts
. It can also can stress
and regret later in life
. “Adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result.” (Lowen 1). There many families that
cannot have children and would love to adopt
.



Abortion does have a positive side though.
Teenagers
who become mothers are more likely to leave school, rely on public assistance,
have health problems, or end up divorced
. Many pro-choice people fear that if abortions
were illegal, women would put their lives at risk by trying to abort the fetus
themselves or by going to someone who is not qualified
.
Many women
only consider abortion because they got pregnant when their contraceptives
failed
. Some other reasons for abortion are that the
pregnancy might harm the mother, the mother isn't married, the mother is too
young, or the mother is having an affair
. Many Americans believe
in abortion, but only if pregnancy was caused by a violet act such as rape, so
people’s views aren't always clear
. There are some gray areas with this issue.
“Many
people who oppose abortion only do so because of their religious beliefs
.” (“At Issue: Abortion,
Moral and Ethical Aspects”)
. Most,
if not all, Christian religions strongly support the pro-life side
.



“In 1973, Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion
under the Fourteenth Amendment
.” (“Topic Overview: Abortion”) This ruling
however, did not stop debate and legal battles over the issue
.
This is
always a major topic during election time.



Here are some shocking abortion statistics for
you. “Almost one out of every four American babies is aborted
.” (“Abortion Facts and
Statistics”)
. “Over forty-eight
million people have been killed through abortion in the US since the Roe vs. Wade decision
.” (“Abortion Facts and
Statistics”)
. Seventy-three times
more Americans were killed by abortion than soldiers in our last twelve wars
combined
. To equal the average number of babies killed by
abortion every year, the attacks on the World Trade
Center
would have had to kill four hundred times more people
.
Abortion
kills more babies worldwide in every two months than the Holocaust did in
twelve years
. The number of babies aborted is more than the
current populations of Sweden,
Norway, Lithuania, Latvia,
Ireland, Iceland, Finland,
Estonia, and Denmark
COMBINED
. Most people, on both sides of this topic,
probably don’t understand these staggering numbers
.



Abortion is an issue that needs to be dealt with
sooner rather than later
.
More and
more babies are dying every minute,
while people on both sides of the issue continue
to debate
. It is sad that people
die before they even get a chance to live
. Continuing to educate young people about the use
of contraceptives is very important so they don’t find themselves in a
situation where they have to decide to abort or not
. Just think about it
before you, your wife, a family member, or a friend gets an abortion
that could have been
you
.


Here are some abortion quotes I found that I wanted to share also:


"The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left is for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing in between." - Mother Teresa


"Abortion and racism are both symptoms of a fundamental error. The error is thinking that when someone stands in the way of our wants, we can justify getting that person out of our lives. Abortion and racism stem from the same poisonous root, selfishness" - Alveda King


So I think it is pretty clear where I stand on the whole abortion issue. Where do you stand? What is your opinion? Why do you think that? Did your opinion change after reading this post?

I
do not believe in abortion at will. I do not believe that if a woman
just wants to have an abortion she should ... I do believe if you have
an abortion you are committing murder.
Read more at http://www.notable-quotes.com/a/abortion_quotes.html#3cpifY55gogwyR6O.9
What are your opinions on abortion? I think it is completely wrong and should be considered murder. I wrote an essay for school a  while back this is the rough draft of that essay, I couldn't find the final copy. (I am copying and pasting from Microsoft Word, so the spacing and stuff will be messed up.)



Abortion is a major issue. Abortion is when a
doctor removes or destroys a fetus early in a pregnancy
. Some people are
pro-life, meaning that a fetus is a living thing and deserves to live
. Other people are
pro-choice, meaning women should have the choice if they want to get an
abortion or not
.
Roe vs.
Wade legalized abortion in 1973, but it shouldn't be legal
.



Abortion is wrong. “The pro-life group believes that a fetus is a
human being from the time of conception and that abortion is morally the same as
murder
.” (“At Issue: Abortion,
Moral and Ethical Aspects”)
.
They believe a fetus is a human being from the time of conception, and is
innocent, so by aborting, you are killing an innocent human being
. Abortion can also
harmful to the mother
. It can cause physical and psychological problems
such as infections and even suicidal thoughts
. It can also can stress
and regret later in life
. “Adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result.” (Lowen 1). There many families that
cannot have children and would love to adopt
.



Abortion does have a positive side though.
Teenagers
who become mothers are more likely to leave school, rely on public assistance,
have health problems, or end up divorced
. Many pro-choice people fear that if abortions
were illegal, women would put their lives at risk by trying to abort the fetus
themselves or by going to someone who is not qualified
.
Many women
only consider abortion because they got pregnant when their contraceptives
failed
. Some other reasons for abortion are that the
pregnancy might harm the mother, the mother isn't married, the mother is too
young, or the mother is having an affair
. Many Americans believe
in abortion, but only if pregnancy was caused by a violet act such as rape, so
people’s views aren't always clear
. There are some gray areas with this issue.
“Many
people who oppose abortion only do so because of their religious beliefs
.” (“At Issue: Abortion,
Moral and Ethical Aspects”)
. Most,
if not all, Christian religions strongly support the pro-life side
.



“In 1973, Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion
under the Fourteenth Amendment
.” (“Topic Overview: Abortion”) This ruling
however, did not stop debate and legal battles over the issue
.
This is
always a major topic during election time.



Here are some shocking abortion statistics for
you. “Almost one out of every four American babies is aborted
.” (“Abortion Facts and
Statistics”)
. “Over forty-eight
million people have been killed through abortion in the US since the Roe vs. Wade decision
.” (“Abortion Facts and
Statistics”)
. Seventy-three times
more Americans were killed by abortion than soldiers in our last twelve wars
combined
. To equal the average number of babies killed by
abortion every year, the attacks on the World Trade
Center
would have had to kill four hundred times more people
.
Abortion
kills more babies worldwide in every two months than the Holocaust did in
twelve years
. The number of babies aborted is more than the
current populations of Sweden,
Norway, Lithuania, Latvia,
Ireland, Iceland, Finland,
Estonia, and Denmark
COMBINED
. Most people, on both sides of this topic,
probably don’t understand these staggering numbers
.



Abortion is an issue that needs to be dealt with
sooner rather than later
.
More and
more babies are dying every minute,
while people on both sides of the issue continue
to debate
. It is sad that people
die before they even get a chance to live
. Continuing to educate young people about the use
of contraceptives is very important so they don’t find themselves in a
situation where they have to decide to abort or not
. Just think about it
before you, your wife, a family member, or a friend gets an abortion
that could have been
you
.


Here are some abortion quotes I found that I wanted to share also:


"The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left is for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing in between." - Mother Teresa


"Abortion and racism are both symptoms of a fundamental error. The error is thinking that when someone stands in the way of our wants, we can justify getting that person out of our lives. Abortion and racism stem from the same poisonous root, selfishness" - Alveda King


So I think it is pretty clear where I stand on the whole abortion issue. Where do you stand? What is your opinion? Why do you think that? Did your opinion change after reading this post?

I
do not believe in abortion at will. I do not believe that if a woman
just wants to have an abortion she should ... I do believe if you have
an abortion you are committing murder.
Read more at http://www.notable-quotes.com/a/abortion_quotes.html#3cpifY55gogwyR6O.9
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If you are stupid enough to get knocked up when there are contraception available, yes, you should have the right to get an abortion. Especially if you are 12 and the father is your slightly retarded uncle/father.
If you are stupid enough to get knocked up when there are contraception available, yes, you should have the right to get an abortion. Especially if you are 12 and the father is your slightly retarded uncle/father.
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I don't like abortion because that would be taking away a life. I don't like people who don't care about life.
I don't like abortion because that would be taking away a life. I don't like people who don't care about life.
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tgags123 : Wow, good job. I agree with you, I learned a lot about this in my government and politics class back in high school. It shouldn't happen and It's 100% wrong.
tgags123 : Wow, good job. I agree with you, I learned a lot about this in my government and politics class back in high school. It shouldn't happen and It's 100% wrong.
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Then don't get pregnant or get somebody else pregnant and you don't have to get an abortion.

And I guess you took a life when you last ate a burger. I guess you took a life when you last time stepped on a plant. And I guess you didn't mind the last time somebody got executed. Or some foreigner was shot by somebody in your army.
Then don't get pregnant or get somebody else pregnant and you don't have to get an abortion.

And I guess you took a life when you last ate a burger. I guess you took a life when you last time stepped on a plant. And I guess you didn't mind the last time somebody got executed. Or some foreigner was shot by somebody in your army.
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"Then don't get pregnant or get somebody else pregnant and you don't have to get an abortion."

I agree with this. People need to treat sex more seriously instead of treating it as an easy way to have a little bit of fun.
"Then don't get pregnant or get somebody else pregnant and you don't have to get an abortion."

I agree with this. People need to treat sex more seriously instead of treating it as an easy way to have a little bit of fun.
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Abortion used as contraception is wrong.  You shouldn't get pregnant and abort the fetus if you don't want it.

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What if the fetus is in danger of threatening the life of the woman?  Or if she became pregnant due to rape?  Does she have to keep the baby if it would most likely kill her or if it came from non-consenting sex?  What about severe fetal deformity?

Even the Bible doesn't consider fetuses or 1 month babies to be people until they get past the four weeks of life.  Check out Numbers 3:15-16 if you're a religious type.
Abortion used as contraception is wrong.  You shouldn't get pregnant and abort the fetus if you don't want it.

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What if the fetus is in danger of threatening the life of the woman?  Or if she became pregnant due to rape?  Does she have to keep the baby if it would most likely kill her or if it came from non-consenting sex?  What about severe fetal deformity?

Even the Bible doesn't consider fetuses or 1 month babies to be people until they get past the four weeks of life.  Check out Numbers 3:15-16 if you're a religious type.
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I pretty much agree, Abortion is 100% wrong, you're pretty much taking a child's life away because you don't want him/her, this is a pretty nice essay you did on this issue about Abortion, it should be outlawed big time.
I pretty much agree, Abortion is 100% wrong, you're pretty much taking a child's life away because you don't want him/her, this is a pretty nice essay you did on this issue about Abortion, it should be outlawed big time.
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Yeah yeah but nobody answered to the questions warmaker made for instance.
Yeah yeah but nobody answered to the questions warmaker made for instance.
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Oddly, I remembered this thread from 3 years ago:
https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=15290

My post is the 2nd in that thread (that's how I feel about abortion).
Oddly, I remembered this thread from 3 years ago:
https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=15290

My post is the 2nd in that thread (that's how I feel about abortion).
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Too bad it has been closed though. 
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Too bad it has been closed though. 
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Brigand : This one isn't though. I don't like being a broken record because I know I've posted a lot of posts to closed threads which are remade into new threads in some way -- so you can base my post on my original 3 years ago
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Of course abortion should be legal. Anything else is completely nonsensical. A fetus is not a child, and a fetus is not a person. It is a sack of developing cells. Saying abortion kills children makes about as much sense as claiming that stepping on acorns kills oaks.

And more importantly, abortion is essential in giving a woman control over her own body. Nobody should be forced to sacrifice his or her own self for someone else. But heck, go ahead. Call a fetus a human being and equate abortion with killing a person. That makes it even easier to justify. As a person, you have your rights, but you also have your responsibilities. As a person, I have to respect another person's individual rights and bodily sovereignty. I can't force someone else to, say, give up a kidney to save my life. It has to be given voluntarily, and that is the basis of individual rights. The most important argument for abortion is not rape, not incest, not teenage mothers unable to raise children, not even overpopulation. It's individual rights. We have bodily sovereignty. Anything less is a violation of our fundamental human rights.
Of course abortion should be legal. Anything else is completely nonsensical. A fetus is not a child, and a fetus is not a person. It is a sack of developing cells. Saying abortion kills children makes about as much sense as claiming that stepping on acorns kills oaks.

And more importantly, abortion is essential in giving a woman control over her own body. Nobody should be forced to sacrifice his or her own self for someone else. But heck, go ahead. Call a fetus a human being and equate abortion with killing a person. That makes it even easier to justify. As a person, you have your rights, but you also have your responsibilities. As a person, I have to respect another person's individual rights and bodily sovereignty. I can't force someone else to, say, give up a kidney to save my life. It has to be given voluntarily, and that is the basis of individual rights. The most important argument for abortion is not rape, not incest, not teenage mothers unable to raise children, not even overpopulation. It's individual rights. We have bodily sovereignty. Anything less is a violation of our fundamental human rights.
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warmaker : For your first question, all the situations that you suggested doesn't change the fact that a fetus is still a person. The question right now is not about whether she should keep the baby, but whether the act of aborting a child is the same as killing, which it is. The situation of if a fetus is life threatening to the mother (though this is not common) should be taken as a case by case scenario, on what the mother wants to happen, for her to live or for the child to live. However, doctors have the responsibility to do everything they can to save both and not one of the two. Striving to save all, instead of taking the quick (and seemingly less apparent in terms of morals) in just aborting the child.

As for Numbers 3:15-16, that's a pretty obscure verse for you to use, and a very far stretch to use it in saying that God doesn't count those under a month old as people. Think about the context. They are not listing because they want to count who are people and who are not (note that they didn't count women either), it is a logistical way for them to make a census. This is something that you need to understand how Ancient Israel thought of how to count people. There are other places where their records only count men that are 21 years old and older, or count between a certain age.

In reality, God values people even before they are born, just like when God told Jeremiah: "“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;" (Jeremiah 1:5)

Here's something for you to think about. Even from your own language states that abortion is eliminating a young person. The word "fetus" comes from the Latin word "f?tus", which means "offspring." Saying to abort a fetus is analogous to saying to abort an offspring. 

Traduweise : Except you are missing that if the one in the womb is a person, then the person has a right to live as well. That is why saying that people say "right this" and "right that" doesn't make it right at all, nor does it make it a good argument. It's a moral issue. That is why people don't go around saying that they have the right to murder their own children after they are born. It is not right there, and it's not right before. 

Your analogy between stepping on acorns and abortion is also not valid, because a fetus is developing, with muscles and organs developing movement as a fetus continues to grow. It would be more analogous to stepping on a sprouting acorn in the ground.
warmaker : For your first question, all the situations that you suggested doesn't change the fact that a fetus is still a person. The question right now is not about whether she should keep the baby, but whether the act of aborting a child is the same as killing, which it is. The situation of if a fetus is life threatening to the mother (though this is not common) should be taken as a case by case scenario, on what the mother wants to happen, for her to live or for the child to live. However, doctors have the responsibility to do everything they can to save both and not one of the two. Striving to save all, instead of taking the quick (and seemingly less apparent in terms of morals) in just aborting the child.

As for Numbers 3:15-16, that's a pretty obscure verse for you to use, and a very far stretch to use it in saying that God doesn't count those under a month old as people. Think about the context. They are not listing because they want to count who are people and who are not (note that they didn't count women either), it is a logistical way for them to make a census. This is something that you need to understand how Ancient Israel thought of how to count people. There are other places where their records only count men that are 21 years old and older, or count between a certain age.

In reality, God values people even before they are born, just like when God told Jeremiah: "“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;" (Jeremiah 1:5)

Here's something for you to think about. Even from your own language states that abortion is eliminating a young person. The word "fetus" comes from the Latin word "f?tus", which means "offspring." Saying to abort a fetus is analogous to saying to abort an offspring. 

Traduweise : Except you are missing that if the one in the womb is a person, then the person has a right to live as well. That is why saying that people say "right this" and "right that" doesn't make it right at all, nor does it make it a good argument. It's a moral issue. That is why people don't go around saying that they have the right to murder their own children after they are born. It is not right there, and it's not right before. 

Your analogy between stepping on acorns and abortion is also not valid, because a fetus is developing, with muscles and organs developing movement as a fetus continues to grow. It would be more analogous to stepping on a sprouting acorn in the ground.
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play4fun : Well that's simple: a zygote or fetus is not a person anymore than a tumour is a person. It is a sack of developing cells that may one day become a person, much as an acorn may one day become an oak. It is not intellectually honest to call an acorn a tree and it is not intellectually honest to call a fetus a child. Trying to compare killing children to killing fetuses is a feeble appeal to emotion. Children are sentient and self-aware. Children have also already been born. If the parents don't want a child, they can put it up for adoption.

If a mother doesn't want to have to go through the long and painful procedure of pregnancy on the other hand, she doesn't have to. She has the right to control her body that way, and as I said but you conveniently skipped, if a fetus is going to be considered a legal person, then it doesn't have the right to live at the unwilling expense of someone else. Your right to life cannot infringe on mine. That is a basic human right.



play4fun : Well that's simple: a zygote or fetus is not a person anymore than a tumour is a person. It is a sack of developing cells that may one day become a person, much as an acorn may one day become an oak. It is not intellectually honest to call an acorn a tree and it is not intellectually honest to call a fetus a child. Trying to compare killing children to killing fetuses is a feeble appeal to emotion. Children are sentient and self-aware. Children have also already been born. If the parents don't want a child, they can put it up for adoption.

If a mother doesn't want to have to go through the long and painful procedure of pregnancy on the other hand, she doesn't have to. She has the right to control her body that way, and as I said but you conveniently skipped, if a fetus is going to be considered a legal person, then it doesn't have the right to live at the unwilling expense of someone else. Your right to life cannot infringe on mine. That is a basic human right.



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abortion is wrong in every way. choosing abortion is choosing to end a childs life. you have killed a living creature, and infant, who was totally innocent. there is something very wrong with people who say abortion is ok
abortion is wrong in every way. choosing abortion is choosing to end a childs life. you have killed a living creature, and infant, who was totally innocent. there is something very wrong with people who say abortion is ok
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Traduweise : Let me ask you this: An amoeba is life, right? It is a single celled organism and that is considered life. Yet a fetus is a multi-cellular organism and you are saying that it isn't life. Not only is it life, it is also a human being.
Traduweise : Let me ask you this: An amoeba is life, right? It is a single celled organism and that is considered life. Yet a fetus is a multi-cellular organism and you are saying that it isn't life. Not only is it life, it is also a human being.
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tgags123 :   Nowhere did I say a fetus is not a life; I said it is not a child, contrary to what the pro-life crowd seems to love claiming in lieu of actual arguments.
tgags123 :   Nowhere did I say a fetus is not a life; I said it is not a child, contrary to what the pro-life crowd seems to love claiming in lieu of actual arguments.
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Traduweise : So you think that killing things is ok then? You admit that a fetus is life, but you have no problem destroying it. And how is it not a child? If it isn't an adult and it is life, then it is a child.
Traduweise : So you think that killing things is ok then? You admit that a fetus is life, but you have no problem destroying it. And how is it not a child? If it isn't an adult and it is life, then it is a child.
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Well abortion would be kind of a bad thing I guess . I mean if you cannot afford to take care of the child then give it up to an orphanage or something . But if you are aborting because the unborn child has or is going to have a birth defect then I think it would be best to not let it have such an abnormal life .  The challenges and other things . I guess abortion would not be such a bad thing in that instance  
Well abortion would be kind of a bad thing I guess . I mean if you cannot afford to take care of the child then give it up to an orphanage or something . But if you are aborting because the unborn child has or is going to have a birth defect then I think it would be best to not let it have such an abnormal life .  The challenges and other things . I guess abortion would not be such a bad thing in that instance  
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