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The gay gene does not exist, if it does, then it should be ignored.

 

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This debate will focus on the gay gene in particular, but gay marriage and the other closely
related subjects will also be discussed in this thread.

I believe that the gay gene is not morally or scientifically defensible.

I would suggest that the gay gene is only a vehicle to suggest that the Bible believing Christians
are not interested in science or truth.?

The gay gene supposedly is a gene passed down from attractive women to their sons.
The gene is supposed to encourage sex between two people of the same gender.

Now, for starters, well, actually, anyone who wants to give me a link to a page
would be a good start to explaining why gay marriage, and the gay gene are a bad ideas.

I believe that the gay gene does not exist due to the lack of solid science for it.
If you would happen to believe that the gay gene exists in the sense of how our genes
make up the blueprint of our mind, and since there are gay people on the earth-
Then it should be noted, that this would mean that there are many different types of genes
for characteristics such as murder, rape, or dishonesty.

I would like to point out, that if the gay gene exists, and those who have it should just give into it.
Then does that mean that if someone had a rape gene, then that person should give into it?

The same logic that would have us believe in the gay gene would force us to admit that
there is in fact a rape gene, and even a murder gene.

? ~If you wish to debate me know that I do NOT have all the time in world. (No. . . really?)~

I will only answer three or four people at a time. And if you wish to post any links, post only one at a time.
I will only make time to read one of them if you post more than one link. I will answer one link per post.
(possibly more if I have more time, I dunno).

I will (most likely, but not absolutely) post here at least once a week.

If you're just here to post that you totally agree with a certain poster, or because you wish
to play cheerleader, then I will ask the mods to remove your post, as it would be spam.

If you want to take away my trust points, then go right ahead, I could kinda care less at this point.
But I will not allow those who wish to be bullies silent me by taking away my "Trust Points"
This debate will focus on the gay gene in particular, but gay marriage and the other closely
related subjects will also be discussed in this thread.

I believe that the gay gene is not morally or scientifically defensible.

I would suggest that the gay gene is only a vehicle to suggest that the Bible believing Christians
are not interested in science or truth.?

The gay gene supposedly is a gene passed down from attractive women to their sons.
The gene is supposed to encourage sex between two people of the same gender.

Now, for starters, well, actually, anyone who wants to give me a link to a page
would be a good start to explaining why gay marriage, and the gay gene are a bad ideas.

I believe that the gay gene does not exist due to the lack of solid science for it.
If you would happen to believe that the gay gene exists in the sense of how our genes
make up the blueprint of our mind, and since there are gay people on the earth-
Then it should be noted, that this would mean that there are many different types of genes
for characteristics such as murder, rape, or dishonesty.

I would like to point out, that if the gay gene exists, and those who have it should just give into it.
Then does that mean that if someone had a rape gene, then that person should give into it?

The same logic that would have us believe in the gay gene would force us to admit that
there is in fact a rape gene, and even a murder gene.

? ~If you wish to debate me know that I do NOT have all the time in world. (No. . . really?)~

I will only answer three or four people at a time. And if you wish to post any links, post only one at a time.
I will only make time to read one of them if you post more than one link. I will answer one link per post.
(possibly more if I have more time, I dunno).

I will (most likely, but not absolutely) post here at least once a week.

If you're just here to post that you totally agree with a certain poster, or because you wish
to play cheerleader, then I will ask the mods to remove your post, as it would be spam.

If you want to take away my trust points, then go right ahead, I could kinda care less at this point.
But I will not allow those who wish to be bullies silent me by taking away my "Trust Points"
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No solid science for it, how exactly do you know that if you haven't done much research? Which seems to be the case.

Just because there isn't solid science for it doesn't mean it isn't there, it means we haven't found any solid science for it yet. You may notice that there is a lack of solid evidence for god, yet you believe in him/her.

Just because there could be a gay gene does not mean that there is a gene for everything. That's like saying since there is a reproductive system that there must be a murder system, for carrying out murders. The gay gene would simply be a gene that makes our mind focus on the other sex. Its like having a boy or a girl, sometimes you get one, sometimes you get the other.

Next lets look at the evidence for it. That evidence is, to put simply.

Ask any homosexual male whether or not they think it was a choice. Do you really think hundreds of thousands of people would lie about it not being a choice?
No solid science for it, how exactly do you know that if you haven't done much research? Which seems to be the case.

Just because there isn't solid science for it doesn't mean it isn't there, it means we haven't found any solid science for it yet. You may notice that there is a lack of solid evidence for god, yet you believe in him/her.

Just because there could be a gay gene does not mean that there is a gene for everything. That's like saying since there is a reproductive system that there must be a murder system, for carrying out murders. The gay gene would simply be a gene that makes our mind focus on the other sex. Its like having a boy or a girl, sometimes you get one, sometimes you get the other.

Next lets look at the evidence for it. That evidence is, to put simply.

Ask any homosexual male whether or not they think it was a choice. Do you really think hundreds of thousands of people would lie about it not being a choice?
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murder and rape arent genetic traits, sexuality is.
you get gay animals too so unless they are "choosing" or corupted by the devil, I cant see how that occured.
there is no scientific evidence the bible is real, yet you find the idea that people are born that way less believable?

is growing tall a choice, since we are all born short? or if a childs hair colour changes, was that a conscious choice?
even if you decided on being gay, I doubt you could because it doesent appeal to you. thats not because of your morality, thats because of genetics.
im not religious and guys dont appeal to me at all.
murder and rape arent genetic traits, sexuality is.
you get gay animals too so unless they are "choosing" or corupted by the devil, I cant see how that occured.
there is no scientific evidence the bible is real, yet you find the idea that people are born that way less believable?

is growing tall a choice, since we are all born short? or if a childs hair colour changes, was that a conscious choice?
even if you decided on being gay, I doubt you could because it doesent appeal to you. thats not because of your morality, thats because of genetics.
im not religious and guys dont appeal to me at all.
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Given that human sexuality is extremely complex and is affected by many different genes, it stands to reason that if genes cause or contribute in some way to a person's sexual orientation (which is extremely likely), there will be many of them. The idea of a single gay gene does not make sense, especially when one considers the Kinsey Scale and the more modern alternatives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale).
Given that human sexuality is extremely complex and is affected by many different genes, it stands to reason that if genes cause or contribute in some way to a person's sexual orientation (which is extremely likely), there will be many of them. The idea of a single gay gene does not make sense, especially when one considers the Kinsey Scale and the more modern alternatives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale).
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Are you expecting me to take you serious? First off, do the research on the topic you are debating. Secondly, check your grammar before posting... the amount I noticed was unsatisfactory.

I shall start off by contradicting what you stated. Take this line for example : "I believe that the gay gene is not morally or scientifically defensible." Your statement alone leads me to believe you are approaching this subject from a religious view and not in fact a moral one. You see many religions deny homosexuality, whilst morality is neutral. Now the actual meaning of Morality is this : "Morality is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" and those that are "bad"." to put this into simple terms, I find your statement subjective, instead of fact, rather an opinion. You see, morality in itself is a subjective topic, even trying to use it as a justification in your argument can quickly be ignored and just makes your statement as a whole redundant. Take note from this phrase, it applies here "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist". It means in general that one mans good is another mans evil. Now as I stated above, you came across using a religious view, as many people know homosexuality and even science to some extent isn't morally right in the eyes of many with strong religious faith, this in all identify your statement as an opinion rather than a fact. As debates are really about opinion when broken down into the simplest form, opinions need facts to justify them, in which you failed to present.

You also say it is not scientifically defensible, then please tell me, if it has no real evidence and you deny for that, then what is God? The omniscient being has no evidence to support it, yet religion itself is a common practice. Now if you had actually done some research you would find out that there has in fact being scientific studies on the subject and there has been some proof, for example homosexuality is known very well within the animal kingdom, if you weren't aware humans are animals too.

Now I myself am a bisexual, how does this gene fit in with me? The gene itself, may have had an effect on my sexual orientation, but I still had choice in the matter itself. Finally "Then it should be noted, that this would mean that there are many different types of genes for characteristics such as murder, rape, or dishonesty." These are not caused by genetics, theses can be caused by how you were grown up, your environment when growing up. Psychiatrics are completely different from genetics. Now I could continue talking about this for longer but I'd rather not since you've obviously not done enough research on the subject . . . .
Are you expecting me to take you serious? First off, do the research on the topic you are debating. Secondly, check your grammar before posting... the amount I noticed was unsatisfactory.

I shall start off by contradicting what you stated. Take this line for example : "I believe that the gay gene is not morally or scientifically defensible." Your statement alone leads me to believe you are approaching this subject from a religious view and not in fact a moral one. You see many religions deny homosexuality, whilst morality is neutral. Now the actual meaning of Morality is this : "Morality is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" and those that are "bad"." to put this into simple terms, I find your statement subjective, instead of fact, rather an opinion. You see, morality in itself is a subjective topic, even trying to use it as a justification in your argument can quickly be ignored and just makes your statement as a whole redundant. Take note from this phrase, it applies here "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist". It means in general that one mans good is another mans evil. Now as I stated above, you came across using a religious view, as many people know homosexuality and even science to some extent isn't morally right in the eyes of many with strong religious faith, this in all identify your statement as an opinion rather than a fact. As debates are really about opinion when broken down into the simplest form, opinions need facts to justify them, in which you failed to present.

You also say it is not scientifically defensible, then please tell me, if it has no real evidence and you deny for that, then what is God? The omniscient being has no evidence to support it, yet religion itself is a common practice. Now if you had actually done some research you would find out that there has in fact being scientific studies on the subject and there has been some proof, for example homosexuality is known very well within the animal kingdom, if you weren't aware humans are animals too.

Now I myself am a bisexual, how does this gene fit in with me? The gene itself, may have had an effect on my sexual orientation, but I still had choice in the matter itself. Finally "Then it should be noted, that this would mean that there are many different types of genes for characteristics such as murder, rape, or dishonesty." These are not caused by genetics, theses can be caused by how you were grown up, your environment when growing up. Psychiatrics are completely different from genetics. Now I could continue talking about this for longer but I'd rather not since you've obviously not done enough research on the subject . . . .
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First off, I do agree that you (once again), really need to do the research. When if comes to pretty much all of your points, your scientific research is SEVERELY lacking and you never show true understanding of what they say. 

With that said, I do agree about the gay gene. Genetics being one of my teaching fields, I do not believe in it. I don't believe that a single gene makes you a homosexual. It is not something that is directly passed down by your parents. It does not fit our understanding of how genetics work and how/what they effect.

Third, do not believe for a second that scientists actually believe in this gay gene. The only ones who back this up are media and those who trying to experiment with the goal of proving something. That is not what a scientist does. A true scientist experiments, tests, and observes for years, and simply see what happens in their specific field of focus. They don't try to prove anything first. That is skewed science. Science is non bias. If they find something that goes against (possibly disproving) what the current understanding is, then they continue to experiment to find out why it is how it is. 

Those supporting the gay gene are actively trying to prove something to create acceptance for homosexuals. Though the goal is in good spirit, it is not science. It is not objective. There are other factors in homosexuality than a simple 'gay gene'. It is a media propaganda. 

Lastly, homosexuality is still not a choice. It is something that shouldn't not be discriminated against. But it should also not have to be explained or justified. This 'gay gene' thing is a step in the wrong direction. 
First off, I do agree that you (once again), really need to do the research. When if comes to pretty much all of your points, your scientific research is SEVERELY lacking and you never show true understanding of what they say. 

With that said, I do agree about the gay gene. Genetics being one of my teaching fields, I do not believe in it. I don't believe that a single gene makes you a homosexual. It is not something that is directly passed down by your parents. It does not fit our understanding of how genetics work and how/what they effect.

Third, do not believe for a second that scientists actually believe in this gay gene. The only ones who back this up are media and those who trying to experiment with the goal of proving something. That is not what a scientist does. A true scientist experiments, tests, and observes for years, and simply see what happens in their specific field of focus. They don't try to prove anything first. That is skewed science. Science is non bias. If they find something that goes against (possibly disproving) what the current understanding is, then they continue to experiment to find out why it is how it is. 

Those supporting the gay gene are actively trying to prove something to create acceptance for homosexuals. Though the goal is in good spirit, it is not science. It is not objective. There are other factors in homosexuality than a simple 'gay gene'. It is a media propaganda. 

Lastly, homosexuality is still not a choice. It is something that shouldn't not be discriminated against. But it should also not have to be explained or justified. This 'gay gene' thing is a step in the wrong direction. 
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"The gay gene supposedly is a gene passed down from attractive women to their sons."

What? So unattractive women can't pass the gene to their sons? And men can't pass the gene at all? And it's never passed to their daughters (and if that's the case, when those daughters have sons how would they pass the gene)?

"I believe that the gay gene does not exist due to the lack of solid science for it."

Side note: That's the same reason I don't believe in god.

"I would like to point out, that if the gay gene exists, and those who have it should just give into it. Then does that mean that if someone had a rape gene, then that person should give into it?"

Do you not understand the difference between a relationship that consists of consenting adults who happen to be of the same sex, and murder or rape?

Anyway, at the end of the day I don't care what kind of role genetics play in our sexuality. To be quite honest, I don't care if sexuality was a choice. Homosexuality hurts no one, and the only reason anyone wants to ban it is because their religion teaches that it's a sin. Follow your religious teachings all you want, but stop trying to impose them on everyone else.
"The gay gene supposedly is a gene passed down from attractive women to their sons."

What? So unattractive women can't pass the gene to their sons? And men can't pass the gene at all? And it's never passed to their daughters (and if that's the case, when those daughters have sons how would they pass the gene)?

"I believe that the gay gene does not exist due to the lack of solid science for it."

Side note: That's the same reason I don't believe in god.

"I would like to point out, that if the gay gene exists, and those who have it should just give into it. Then does that mean that if someone had a rape gene, then that person should give into it?"

Do you not understand the difference between a relationship that consists of consenting adults who happen to be of the same sex, and murder or rape?

Anyway, at the end of the day I don't care what kind of role genetics play in our sexuality. To be quite honest, I don't care if sexuality was a choice. Homosexuality hurts no one, and the only reason anyone wants to ban it is because their religion teaches that it's a sin. Follow your religious teachings all you want, but stop trying to impose them on everyone else.
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Gay Gene?, This is junk science not excepted by the scientific community. There is no gene that causes individuals to be gay nor a gene that makes a individual suggestible to homosexual. Furthermore to be homosexual is completely up to personal preference and choice.
Gay Gene?, This is junk science not excepted by the scientific community. There is no gene that causes individuals to be gay nor a gene that makes a individual suggestible to homosexual. Furthermore to be homosexual is completely up to personal preference and choice.
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I'm kind of having a difficult time with this topic because I feel like it is less about spurring a debate and more for inflaming people who disagree with your opinion. The topic is sensitive to many people on this site and elsewhere, and I do believe that some respect needs to be shown to others, regardless of what opinion they hold. I might agree with you that the gay gene doesn't exist and I might disagree with homosexuality, but I do not think it does anyone any good to disregard their thoughts while exalting your own to be absolute truth. I don't know what your aim in creating this topic is, but I think you should be careful in how you approach these issues. Of course, if you don't care, then that's your prerogative.
I'm kind of having a difficult time with this topic because I feel like it is less about spurring a debate and more for inflaming people who disagree with your opinion. The topic is sensitive to many people on this site and elsewhere, and I do believe that some respect needs to be shown to others, regardless of what opinion they hold. I might agree with you that the gay gene doesn't exist and I might disagree with homosexuality, but I do not think it does anyone any good to disregard their thoughts while exalting your own to be absolute truth. I don't know what your aim in creating this topic is, but I think you should be careful in how you approach these issues. Of course, if you don't care, then that's your prerogative.
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Divine Aurora : And how could you possibly know that?
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ender44 : Common sense, although the part about it being junk science not generally accepted by the scientific community is true. And a individuals interests and  personality  aren't decided by genes alone, its all about your up bringing how you were raised and your personal preferences. For example that's like saying I'm gonna become a murderer because my  Uncle killed people and since I have his genes I will become a murder. 
ender44 : Common sense, although the part about it being junk science not generally accepted by the scientific community is true. And a individuals interests and  personality  aren't decided by genes alone, its all about your up bringing how you were raised and your personal preferences. For example that's like saying I'm gonna become a murderer because my  Uncle killed people and since I have his genes I will become a murder. 
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Divine Aurora :
except its not, murder is a crime not a gene.
genes drive us to act in a certain way, you could potentialy inherit mental issues like passive agressive personality disorders, that could hypothetically make it more likely that you would kill someone, however genese dont determine what you will do in your life.

regardless of upbringing any lifeform will attemp to reproduce, even if it was never taught how. other than genetics what is an acceptable explanation of that?
to that end it is perfectl plausible certain genes would effect your prefferences.

upbringing effects peoples choices in life but this is in combination with what these people feel driven to do.
Divine Aurora :
except its not, murder is a crime not a gene.
genes drive us to act in a certain way, you could potentialy inherit mental issues like passive agressive personality disorders, that could hypothetically make it more likely that you would kill someone, however genese dont determine what you will do in your life.

regardless of upbringing any lifeform will attemp to reproduce, even if it was never taught how. other than genetics what is an acceptable explanation of that?
to that end it is perfectl plausible certain genes would effect your prefferences.

upbringing effects peoples choices in life but this is in combination with what these people feel driven to do.
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thenumberone : But the junk part of this is that there is a single 'gay gene' that will make you gay. That is a hoax. As I mentioned, any 'scientist' who speaks for this gene are those who have a goal of creating acceptance. That is not science, and they are not true scientists because science involves exploring without looking for a specific outcome. 

Sword Legion, why is it that time and time again you keep comparing homosexuality to murder or rape? It is not the same thing. You are not creating a viable argument with that. You just can't seem to accept the fact that homosexuality harms nobody else. Nobody. It doesn't hurt you either. It just repulses you. That is it. Rape makes a clear victim of the person being raped. Murder makes a victim out of the person being murdered. Homosexuality creates no victims. It only affects the ones involved in the relationship. Quit comparing it to murder and rape. It is not even remotely an applicable argument. 
thenumberone : But the junk part of this is that there is a single 'gay gene' that will make you gay. That is a hoax. As I mentioned, any 'scientist' who speaks for this gene are those who have a goal of creating acceptance. That is not science, and they are not true scientists because science involves exploring without looking for a specific outcome. 

Sword Legion, why is it that time and time again you keep comparing homosexuality to murder or rape? It is not the same thing. You are not creating a viable argument with that. You just can't seem to accept the fact that homosexuality harms nobody else. Nobody. It doesn't hurt you either. It just repulses you. That is it. Rape makes a clear victim of the person being raped. Murder makes a victim out of the person being murdered. Homosexuality creates no victims. It only affects the ones involved in the relationship. Quit comparing it to murder and rape. It is not even remotely an applicable argument. 
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rcarter2 :
I agree there is not a single gene. it is a gross simplifacation that one gene out and out defines anything about you.
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I agree there is not a single gene. it is a gross simplifacation that one gene out and out defines anything about you.
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ender44 :

My research?
Are you using your own assumption
to suggest that you don't even need to debate me?

If I have researched it a tiny amount. Then
crush me in this debate. It shouldn't be that hard if this is
going to be a three/four vs one/two debate and I
am the one who is wrong.

If I have studied much on the subject, then you would
not even try to debate me because I would win to easily,
And I have done my homework?
You have no idea what I have been doing.
Nor will I tell you. I will leave you with the impression
that I like you having.
If there is solid science proof for the gay gene, then show me.
   
"Just because there isn't solid science proof for it doesn't mean it isn't there"

True, but shouldn't we have evidence for something before we
acknoledge it's existence? I actually beileve in God because
of the evidence which suggests a supernatural creator.
To me, religion is not worth it unless it is truth.
I have seen evidence which tells me that Christianity is
the true religion. Hence, I am a Christian.
   
     "Do you really think hundreds of thousands of people would lie about it not being a choice?"

lots of people say "I didn't have a choice" even though they did.
Like some of the Natzi troopers that were taken captive. They were tried for murdering
Jews, and what was their defense? "We were just following orders, we didn't have a choice!"
Well, they were found guilty.

Besides, Gay people have become straight. They decided that they would not allow themselves
to be a helpless victim. They grabbed life by the horns and fixed their problem.
I don't exactly take people seriously when they say that they are gay.
Why? I look at those two lesbians who managed to concieve a child, well, ok, they
didn't do it themselves, someone had to help them out.
Gay people don't neccessarily prefer the same sex over the opposite sex.
They just want sex without having to worry about having children (to a certain degree).
Unabridged sex without having to prepare for it beforehand with pills and such.
You don't think it's all about the sex? Look at how openly they practice it!
They are all over each other in public without a care for decency.
No, they don't care that they're in a public area whatsoever.
They have apps on their phones that tell them where the next gay guy is so that
they can meet up in a bathroom! This is uncivilized! They are acting just like
an animal looking for it's next mate!
But, since they are gay, they can fornicate with anyone they want.
And their partner will never find out. But hey, that is how they like it.
I'll bet many of 13yr olds thought "Hey, I have these strange desires to have sex, but
if I were gay, I could have sex right now, and my parents would never find out!"

"Alright, now I'm set for life!"

Except for the fact that he'll probably only live to be 45 years of age.
Statistically that's how old gay people live to be.
You don't think that he'd do it? I bet he would, it's tough when you turn 13.
It's hard to tame those new desires. If a child is raised to rule over his lusts of the flesh,
then he can and probably will do it. If a child is raised having been given most everything that they want
then when he turns 13 he might hook up with a girl of the same age. . . or a boy!
   
     "Just because there could be a gay gene does not mean that there is a gene for everything"

It depends on how we come to believe in the gay gene.
Your hands are murder organs technically. You can kill with them, right?
thenumberone :
No offense but your post is a little hard to understand.
I would be happy to have a debate on whether God exists or not, but
you seem to have left the debate that we were having about that subject
just hanging there.

You have asserted that sexuality is an inherited trait, but where is your evidence?
If I were to work at it I could change my preferences. I have done so many times in the past.
I have taught myself to hate certain sins rather that love them. If we did not all change our
natural preferences somwhere along the lines, would we even be civilized people?
A baby will put a slug or cat litter in it's mouth. Is this a preference that
should be left alone, or changed?
   
     "im not religious and guys dont appeal to me at all."

Good for you.

Traduweise :
    "it stands to reason that if genes cause or contribute in some way
    to a person's sexual orientation (which is extremely likely)"

Put your money where your mouth is.
   
    "(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale)."

The link doesn't work. What where you thinking when you posted that?
"Oh this guy is stupid I'll just type this into wikipedia, and post him the link.
I won't even check to see if it works."
This is not the first time that you've done this.
I am growing suspicious.

iNOOB8:
   
     "Are you expecting me to take you serious?"

Sure, why not?
   
     "First off, do the research on the topic you are debating"
Repeating ender's mistake?
See what I told him.
   
     "Secondly, check your grammar before posting... the amount I noticed was unsatisfactory."

Yet you didn't point out (no offense thenumberone) thenumberone's grammer errors.
Why, is it because he's on your side? That's somewhat hypocritical.
   
     "Your statement alone leads me to believe you are approaching this subject from a religious
    view and not in fact a moral one. You see many religions deny homosexuality, whilst morality is neutral."

Everything in the universe is constructed of the universes basic building block. The atom.
Everything is basically a structure of blocks. Some humans have stored information in their
brain using tiny blocks. Some of this information makes up what our definition of morrality is.
If I have a block in my mind that says killing is good, then to me it's good.
   
     "Anakin, good is a point of view."

-Chancellor Palpatine


You may blur this already fuzzy area as much as you want but who know something?
Those little block towers are nothing compared to a full metal machine gun.
Whoever has the machine is going to be the reall lawmaker.
He won't let your morals get in his way!
That is why I accept the morals that come from God. They
are constant, are quite understandable, and you would think that the
creator of the cosmos would kinda know how to run a joint.
   
     "As debates are really about opinion when broken down into the simplest form, opinions
   
need facts to justify them, in which you failed to present."
I will prove my point by taking down the gay genes supporting points.
Hey, you're the one with a hypothosis to prove, where's your evidence?
That's hypocritical.
No one has shown me evidence for the gay gene yet.
   
     "Hey sword you didn't research it? It totally exists!

*All four users fail to present evidence for their "Theory".*

I could do this all day! Where are you guys?
This is not science or logical thinking!
   
     "You also say it is not scientifically defensible, then please tell me,
      if it has no real evidence and you deny for that, then what is God? The omniscient
      being has no evidence to support it"

There is plenty of evidence for God. That is why I am a Christian.
I'm not interested in a religion that is false and is just going to control
my life!

If that's what you think Christianity is then you should get a real religion.
One that actually matches the truth.
   
     "Now if you had actually done some research, you would find out that
    there has in fact being scientific studies
    on the subject and there has been some proof, for example homosexuality is known very
    well within the animal kingdom, if you weren't aware humans are animals too."

I would regard humans much higher than any animal and hardly regard them as an
animal.
     
      "Man is the measure of all things"

That is what the Greeks believed.

As for homosexuality in the animal kingdom.
 
1 what does natural selection do to them?
 
2 I have actually observed this. When going through puberty, the young
animal is so desperate to mate, that if it can't do it with a female, it will
do it with a male. I have obseved this happen to cats in particular, and what
does the Male cat on the receiving end do?
   
     *SCRATCH*

The "gay" (if it ever was gay) cat will eventually grow out of it.
Wouldn't suprise me to find a few Young teen boys have done the same thing.
Surely we can act better than the animals, no? We don't have to give into
our desires. As God told Cain.
   
     "Behold sin is at the Door, it wants you, but you can rule over it."

If we gave into everything that comes to us naturally, we may as well make rape legal.
Streaking is already on the move of becoming legal, it's sad, we're losing
control of our society, we are becoming less and less civilized.
Would you be anyone civilized if you gave into all of your base impulses?
How about when a baby crawls over to a slug. Should he put it into his mouth?
That's what the child is programmed to do!
   
    "Now I myself am a bisexual, how does this gene fit in with me? The gene itself,
    may have had an effect on my sexual orientation, but I still had choice
    in the matter itself."

Well, at least know that you can redirect your ship.j
You know that people who participate in Gay only live to be
about 45 years old statistically. You may think that I'm being a
bully, but I'm just trying to sound the alarm. That is why I have
decided to take on the gay gene, this way I might elighten those
who believe they have no chioce. May you were affected by the
certain natural impulses that you should have suppressed?
I will give you credit for entering this debate and for putting
your beliefs to the test rather than not even considering
it and continuing on in blind ignorance.
   
     "These are not caused by genetics, theses can be caused by how you were      
    grown up, your environment when growing up. Psychiatrics are completely
    different from genetics."

I would say that there is no gay gene, and that it is a part of Psychiatrics.
Why not? I have really wanted to kill people a few times, it wasn't because someone
taught me how to kill, it was because they ticked me off and just wanted to give into
my base emotions.Yet there is not gene for it huh?
Why not?

The Rape gene is even more likely, since every 13 year old if not suppressed
by scociety would go out and rape a girl the minute they felt like it.
   
     "Now I could continue talking about this for longer but I'd rather not
    since you've obviously not done enough research on the subject . . . ."

Why do you say that? because I disagree with you? I notice that the four users
that I am debating have posted evidence for their theorys period. Where
is all of your guy's massive amounts of research, huh?
Let's see you put your money where your mouth is.

pray75 :

I don't really beat my way around a bush, I go through it with 
sword and get right to it like Jesus did. I'm getting tired of  how weak 
Christians act, not that I'm attacking you, but I am attacking Christians in general.


ender44 :

My research?
Are you using your own assumption
to suggest that you don't even need to debate me?

If I have researched it a tiny amount. Then
crush me in this debate. It shouldn't be that hard if this is
going to be a three/four vs one/two debate and I
am the one who is wrong.

If I have studied much on the subject, then you would
not even try to debate me because I would win to easily,
And I have done my homework?
You have no idea what I have been doing.
Nor will I tell you. I will leave you with the impression
that I like you having.
If there is solid science proof for the gay gene, then show me.
   
"Just because there isn't solid science proof for it doesn't mean it isn't there"

True, but shouldn't we have evidence for something before we
acknoledge it's existence? I actually beileve in God because
of the evidence which suggests a supernatural creator.
To me, religion is not worth it unless it is truth.
I have seen evidence which tells me that Christianity is
the true religion. Hence, I am a Christian.
   
     "Do you really think hundreds of thousands of people would lie about it not being a choice?"

lots of people say "I didn't have a choice" even though they did.
Like some of the Natzi troopers that were taken captive. They were tried for murdering
Jews, and what was their defense? "We were just following orders, we didn't have a choice!"
Well, they were found guilty.

Besides, Gay people have become straight. They decided that they would not allow themselves
to be a helpless victim. They grabbed life by the horns and fixed their problem.
I don't exactly take people seriously when they say that they are gay.
Why? I look at those two lesbians who managed to concieve a child, well, ok, they
didn't do it themselves, someone had to help them out.
Gay people don't neccessarily prefer the same sex over the opposite sex.
They just want sex without having to worry about having children (to a certain degree).
Unabridged sex without having to prepare for it beforehand with pills and such.
You don't think it's all about the sex? Look at how openly they practice it!
They are all over each other in public without a care for decency.
No, they don't care that they're in a public area whatsoever.
They have apps on their phones that tell them where the next gay guy is so that
they can meet up in a bathroom! This is uncivilized! They are acting just like
an animal looking for it's next mate!
But, since they are gay, they can fornicate with anyone they want.
And their partner will never find out. But hey, that is how they like it.
I'll bet many of 13yr olds thought "Hey, I have these strange desires to have sex, but
if I were gay, I could have sex right now, and my parents would never find out!"

"Alright, now I'm set for life!"

Except for the fact that he'll probably only live to be 45 years of age.
Statistically that's how old gay people live to be.
You don't think that he'd do it? I bet he would, it's tough when you turn 13.
It's hard to tame those new desires. If a child is raised to rule over his lusts of the flesh,
then he can and probably will do it. If a child is raised having been given most everything that they want
then when he turns 13 he might hook up with a girl of the same age. . . or a boy!
   
     "Just because there could be a gay gene does not mean that there is a gene for everything"

It depends on how we come to believe in the gay gene.
Your hands are murder organs technically. You can kill with them, right?
thenumberone :
No offense but your post is a little hard to understand.
I would be happy to have a debate on whether God exists or not, but
you seem to have left the debate that we were having about that subject
just hanging there.

You have asserted that sexuality is an inherited trait, but where is your evidence?
If I were to work at it I could change my preferences. I have done so many times in the past.
I have taught myself to hate certain sins rather that love them. If we did not all change our
natural preferences somwhere along the lines, would we even be civilized people?
A baby will put a slug or cat litter in it's mouth. Is this a preference that
should be left alone, or changed?
   
     "im not religious and guys dont appeal to me at all."

Good for you.

Traduweise :
    "it stands to reason that if genes cause or contribute in some way
    to a person's sexual orientation (which is extremely likely)"

Put your money where your mouth is.
   
    "(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale)."

The link doesn't work. What where you thinking when you posted that?
"Oh this guy is stupid I'll just type this into wikipedia, and post him the link.
I won't even check to see if it works."
This is not the first time that you've done this.
I am growing suspicious.

iNOOB8:
   
     "Are you expecting me to take you serious?"

Sure, why not?
   
     "First off, do the research on the topic you are debating"
Repeating ender's mistake?
See what I told him.
   
     "Secondly, check your grammar before posting... the amount I noticed was unsatisfactory."

Yet you didn't point out (no offense thenumberone) thenumberone's grammer errors.
Why, is it because he's on your side? That's somewhat hypocritical.
   
     "Your statement alone leads me to believe you are approaching this subject from a religious
    view and not in fact a moral one. You see many religions deny homosexuality, whilst morality is neutral."

Everything in the universe is constructed of the universes basic building block. The atom.
Everything is basically a structure of blocks. Some humans have stored information in their
brain using tiny blocks. Some of this information makes up what our definition of morrality is.
If I have a block in my mind that says killing is good, then to me it's good.
   
     "Anakin, good is a point of view."

-Chancellor Palpatine


You may blur this already fuzzy area as much as you want but who know something?
Those little block towers are nothing compared to a full metal machine gun.
Whoever has the machine is going to be the reall lawmaker.
He won't let your morals get in his way!
That is why I accept the morals that come from God. They
are constant, are quite understandable, and you would think that the
creator of the cosmos would kinda know how to run a joint.
   
     "As debates are really about opinion when broken down into the simplest form, opinions
   
need facts to justify them, in which you failed to present."
I will prove my point by taking down the gay genes supporting points.
Hey, you're the one with a hypothosis to prove, where's your evidence?
That's hypocritical.
No one has shown me evidence for the gay gene yet.
   
     "Hey sword you didn't research it? It totally exists!

*All four users fail to present evidence for their "Theory".*

I could do this all day! Where are you guys?
This is not science or logical thinking!
   
     "You also say it is not scientifically defensible, then please tell me,
      if it has no real evidence and you deny for that, then what is God? The omniscient
      being has no evidence to support it"

There is plenty of evidence for God. That is why I am a Christian.
I'm not interested in a religion that is false and is just going to control
my life!

If that's what you think Christianity is then you should get a real religion.
One that actually matches the truth.
   
     "Now if you had actually done some research, you would find out that
    there has in fact being scientific studies
    on the subject and there has been some proof, for example homosexuality is known very
    well within the animal kingdom, if you weren't aware humans are animals too."

I would regard humans much higher than any animal and hardly regard them as an
animal.
     
      "Man is the measure of all things"

That is what the Greeks believed.

As for homosexuality in the animal kingdom.
 
1 what does natural selection do to them?
 
2 I have actually observed this. When going through puberty, the young
animal is so desperate to mate, that if it can't do it with a female, it will
do it with a male. I have obseved this happen to cats in particular, and what
does the Male cat on the receiving end do?
   
     *SCRATCH*

The "gay" (if it ever was gay) cat will eventually grow out of it.
Wouldn't suprise me to find a few Young teen boys have done the same thing.
Surely we can act better than the animals, no? We don't have to give into
our desires. As God told Cain.
   
     "Behold sin is at the Door, it wants you, but you can rule over it."

If we gave into everything that comes to us naturally, we may as well make rape legal.
Streaking is already on the move of becoming legal, it's sad, we're losing
control of our society, we are becoming less and less civilized.
Would you be anyone civilized if you gave into all of your base impulses?
How about when a baby crawls over to a slug. Should he put it into his mouth?
That's what the child is programmed to do!
   
    "Now I myself am a bisexual, how does this gene fit in with me? The gene itself,
    may have had an effect on my sexual orientation, but I still had choice
    in the matter itself."

Well, at least know that you can redirect your ship.j
You know that people who participate in Gay only live to be
about 45 years old statistically. You may think that I'm being a
bully, but I'm just trying to sound the alarm. That is why I have
decided to take on the gay gene, this way I might elighten those
who believe they have no chioce. May you were affected by the
certain natural impulses that you should have suppressed?
I will give you credit for entering this debate and for putting
your beliefs to the test rather than not even considering
it and continuing on in blind ignorance.
   
     "These are not caused by genetics, theses can be caused by how you were      
    grown up, your environment when growing up. Psychiatrics are completely
    different from genetics."

I would say that there is no gay gene, and that it is a part of Psychiatrics.
Why not? I have really wanted to kill people a few times, it wasn't because someone
taught me how to kill, it was because they ticked me off and just wanted to give into
my base emotions.Yet there is not gene for it huh?
Why not?

The Rape gene is even more likely, since every 13 year old if not suppressed
by scociety would go out and rape a girl the minute they felt like it.
   
     "Now I could continue talking about this for longer but I'd rather not
    since you've obviously not done enough research on the subject . . . ."

Why do you say that? because I disagree with you? I notice that the four users
that I am debating have posted evidence for their theorys period. Where
is all of your guy's massive amounts of research, huh?
Let's see you put your money where your mouth is.

pray75 :

I don't really beat my way around a bush, I go through it with 
sword and get right to it like Jesus did. I'm getting tired of  how weak 
Christians act, not that I'm attacking you, but I am attacking Christians in general.


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Sword legion :
Your research? Present your research then, stop people calling you out on it I mean seriously you can't just say "just cause I haven't done the research let me debate and put some points across without supporting them". We are debating you here, your the one who chooses to avoid the use of research not us.

"To me, religion is not worth it unless it is truth. I have seen evidence which tells me that Christianity is the true religion. Hence, I am a Christian."

I don't believe that god doesn't exists, I myself am an agnostic atheist "Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact." I myself, do not say there is no god, but I myself do not have a religion or god, religious views in a debate are solid enough to use as people have very different views on the matter as I'm sure you are aware.

"Like some of the Nazi troopers that were taken captive. They were tried for murdering Jews, and what was their defense? "We were just following orders, we didn't have a choice!" "
You do know many Nazis did in-fact have no choices, there were penalties for not serving your countries, try to run away and you got killed regardless, this was on both sides, so using Nazis as a comparison is two things, one : inaccurate, two : distasteful, you are literally comparing Nazis to homosexual people. 

"Besides, Gay people have become straight. They decided that they would not allow themselves to be a helpless victim."
Are you serious? You are literally saying that being gay makes you a victim, real love is a murder? A rapist? No it's love, regardless of sex. Gay people don't just become straight, most of the times it is forced, this happened for years but the social norm has changed and this is considered morally wrong.

"They grabbed life by the horns and fixed their problem."
Again your saying being homosexual is a problem, that is downright offensive, I'm bisexual, I like both genders, I have lived fine all my life and this is seriously offensive. I have been with both genders, love is love regardless if you think it's a problem or not.

"I don't exactly take people seriously when they say that they are gay. Why? I look at those two lesbians who managed to conceive a child, well, ok, they didn't do it themselves, someone had to help them out."

That isn't even justifiable, your reasoning behind not taking them serious isn't even accurate, technically they don't need "help", they can find a donator who is already willingly doing so to receive sperm and they don't even have to go through sexual reproduction.

"Gay people don't necessarily prefer the same sex over the opposite sex. They just want sex without having to worry about having children (to a certain degree)."
Then they are not homosexual but are in-fact doing an act of homosexuality, firstly homosexual means the following "Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender." Attraction does not mean sex to avoid having children.

"You don't think it's all about the sex? Look at how openly they practice it! They are all over each other in public without a care for decency."
Last I checked they don't go out and have sex in the street. Your implying there pigs looking for their next mates. Straight people are no better, strip clubs, hookers etc. You cannot say that all homosexuals are sexual deviants as being gay does not solely revolve around sex. Neither is being straight, each group has there pigs but they are the minority of the grouping and not the large percentage. Homosexuals and straight people alike are not sexual deviants as a whole, but rather each have a minority.

"They have apps on their phones that tell them where the next gay guy is"
Straight people have these as well, dating sites are a growing thing and both straight and homosexuals alike use them so don't say that every site is a perverted sex hub when they are not.

"Except for the fact that he'll probably only live to be 45 years of age. Statistically that's how old gay people live to be."
Source and comparison?

"iNOOB8"
Just for further reference : i N "zero" "zero" "eight"

"Are you expecting me to take you serious?" "Sure, why not?"
Give me a reason to.

"Yet you didn't point out (no offense thenumberone) thenumberone's grammar errors. Why, is it because he's on your side? That's somewhat hypocritical. "
I hadn't read his post, I had a tab open replying and I went for dinner, he had posted within this time and thus I never saw his post, it should also be noted that I never mentioned him or his post that you can't even call me hypocritical since I was solely responding to you alone.

"Anakin, good is a point of view."
You are then support what I said about morality, good and bad is from a point a view, please read my post again and you will find that I in-fact did say that one man's evil is another man's good.

*All four users fail to present evidence for their "Theory".*
I had no theory, don't call me hypocritical again since all I spoke about what you said solely, I did not say my opinions on the gay gene itself so don't group me with anyone who did, Hypocritical : "of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess" Please learn what words mean. Basically in short terms, ignorance and a kind of lie.

"There is plenty of evidence for God."
Like....?

"I would regard humans much higher than any animal and hardly regard them as an animal."
Why? Because we have high intelligence and speak a understandable language? That would place dolphins quite high now wouldn't it. We are animals regardless of what you think, we are part of the animal kingdom, yes we may be at the top, but we are still classed as animals. We have many traits animals have so don't just flaunt it off because "we're special".

"We don't have to give into our desires."
"Sex" regardless of homosexuality or not, is a desire, it is practiced by those of all sexualities. Love is a desire is it not? Then even straight people are at fault.

"Well, at least know that you can redirect your ship. You know that people who participate in Gay only live to be about 45 years old statistically."
A happy life is worth far more than a long loveless live. Don't tell me how to live, I want a happy life, not one forced upon me.

"May you were affected by the certain natural impulses that you should have suppressed?"
Ever heard of suppression leads to depression. I'll take my chances.

"Where is all of your guy's massive amounts of research, huh?"
What evidence for what theory exactly?
I didn't state a theory due to the fact, you had not supported half of your arguments. Also, I'd recommend using spell check
Sword legion :
Your research? Present your research then, stop people calling you out on it I mean seriously you can't just say "just cause I haven't done the research let me debate and put some points across without supporting them". We are debating you here, your the one who chooses to avoid the use of research not us.

"To me, religion is not worth it unless it is truth. I have seen evidence which tells me that Christianity is the true religion. Hence, I am a Christian."

I don't believe that god doesn't exists, I myself am an agnostic atheist "Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact." I myself, do not say there is no god, but I myself do not have a religion or god, religious views in a debate are solid enough to use as people have very different views on the matter as I'm sure you are aware.

"Like some of the Nazi troopers that were taken captive. They were tried for murdering Jews, and what was their defense? "We were just following orders, we didn't have a choice!" "
You do know many Nazis did in-fact have no choices, there were penalties for not serving your countries, try to run away and you got killed regardless, this was on both sides, so using Nazis as a comparison is two things, one : inaccurate, two : distasteful, you are literally comparing Nazis to homosexual people. 

"Besides, Gay people have become straight. They decided that they would not allow themselves to be a helpless victim."
Are you serious? You are literally saying that being gay makes you a victim, real love is a murder? A rapist? No it's love, regardless of sex. Gay people don't just become straight, most of the times it is forced, this happened for years but the social norm has changed and this is considered morally wrong.

"They grabbed life by the horns and fixed their problem."
Again your saying being homosexual is a problem, that is downright offensive, I'm bisexual, I like both genders, I have lived fine all my life and this is seriously offensive. I have been with both genders, love is love regardless if you think it's a problem or not.

"I don't exactly take people seriously when they say that they are gay. Why? I look at those two lesbians who managed to conceive a child, well, ok, they didn't do it themselves, someone had to help them out."

That isn't even justifiable, your reasoning behind not taking them serious isn't even accurate, technically they don't need "help", they can find a donator who is already willingly doing so to receive sperm and they don't even have to go through sexual reproduction.

"Gay people don't necessarily prefer the same sex over the opposite sex. They just want sex without having to worry about having children (to a certain degree)."
Then they are not homosexual but are in-fact doing an act of homosexuality, firstly homosexual means the following "Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender." Attraction does not mean sex to avoid having children.

"You don't think it's all about the sex? Look at how openly they practice it! They are all over each other in public without a care for decency."
Last I checked they don't go out and have sex in the street. Your implying there pigs looking for their next mates. Straight people are no better, strip clubs, hookers etc. You cannot say that all homosexuals are sexual deviants as being gay does not solely revolve around sex. Neither is being straight, each group has there pigs but they are the minority of the grouping and not the large percentage. Homosexuals and straight people alike are not sexual deviants as a whole, but rather each have a minority.

"They have apps on their phones that tell them where the next gay guy is"
Straight people have these as well, dating sites are a growing thing and both straight and homosexuals alike use them so don't say that every site is a perverted sex hub when they are not.

"Except for the fact that he'll probably only live to be 45 years of age. Statistically that's how old gay people live to be."
Source and comparison?

"iNOOB8"
Just for further reference : i N "zero" "zero" "eight"

"Are you expecting me to take you serious?" "Sure, why not?"
Give me a reason to.

"Yet you didn't point out (no offense thenumberone) thenumberone's grammar errors. Why, is it because he's on your side? That's somewhat hypocritical. "
I hadn't read his post, I had a tab open replying and I went for dinner, he had posted within this time and thus I never saw his post, it should also be noted that I never mentioned him or his post that you can't even call me hypocritical since I was solely responding to you alone.

"Anakin, good is a point of view."
You are then support what I said about morality, good and bad is from a point a view, please read my post again and you will find that I in-fact did say that one man's evil is another man's good.

*All four users fail to present evidence for their "Theory".*
I had no theory, don't call me hypocritical again since all I spoke about what you said solely, I did not say my opinions on the gay gene itself so don't group me with anyone who did, Hypocritical : "of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess" Please learn what words mean. Basically in short terms, ignorance and a kind of lie.

"There is plenty of evidence for God."
Like....?

"I would regard humans much higher than any animal and hardly regard them as an animal."
Why? Because we have high intelligence and speak a understandable language? That would place dolphins quite high now wouldn't it. We are animals regardless of what you think, we are part of the animal kingdom, yes we may be at the top, but we are still classed as animals. We have many traits animals have so don't just flaunt it off because "we're special".

"We don't have to give into our desires."
"Sex" regardless of homosexuality or not, is a desire, it is practiced by those of all sexualities. Love is a desire is it not? Then even straight people are at fault.

"Well, at least know that you can redirect your ship. You know that people who participate in Gay only live to be about 45 years old statistically."
A happy life is worth far more than a long loveless live. Don't tell me how to live, I want a happy life, not one forced upon me.

"May you were affected by the certain natural impulses that you should have suppressed?"
Ever heard of suppression leads to depression. I'll take my chances.

"Where is all of your guy's massive amounts of research, huh?"
What evidence for what theory exactly?
I didn't state a theory due to the fact, you had not supported half of your arguments. Also, I'd recommend using spell check
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"I have taught myself to hate certain sins rather that [than] love them"
Then you have taught yourself to be a bigot.
I have no more to say to you.
"I have taught myself to hate certain sins rather that [than] love them"
Then you have taught yourself to be a bigot.
I have no more to say to you.
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Sword legion : The link doesn't work because a parenthesis, period, and quotation mark got inadvertently stuck into the link. If you had just excersised a little bit of common sense and studied the link for a second or two, you would have realised that. Alternately, you could have taken the unprecedented step of just Googling the Kinsey Scale, and finding something out yourself for a change. Either way, try and address some actual points instead of picking at irrelevent details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

(Yes, this link works.)

EDIT: And you keep telling us about the "research" you've done. Show this research. Legitimate, peer-reviewed sources only. Not blogs, not Onion articles, not Christian family advocacy groups.
Sword legion : The link doesn't work because a parenthesis, period, and quotation mark got inadvertently stuck into the link. If you had just excersised a little bit of common sense and studied the link for a second or two, you would have realised that. Alternately, you could have taken the unprecedented step of just Googling the Kinsey Scale, and finding something out yourself for a change. Either way, try and address some actual points instead of picking at irrelevent details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

(Yes, this link works.)

EDIT: And you keep telling us about the "research" you've done. Show this research. Legitimate, peer-reviewed sources only. Not blogs, not Onion articles, not Christian family advocacy groups.
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gay gene, murder gene, rape gene. They don't exist. If you look at most gays or lesbians, their parents were straight. Same with the rape and murder thing. Most of the time, the parents were not the same. I believe that it is how a person is raised or treated growing up. But, I do not think the genes exist. I think it is merely a matter of choice.
gay gene, murder gene, rape gene. They don't exist. If you look at most gays or lesbians, their parents were straight. Same with the rape and murder thing. Most of the time, the parents were not the same. I believe that it is how a person is raised or treated growing up. But, I do not think the genes exist. I think it is merely a matter of choice.
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iN00B8:
   

   "Your research? Present your research then, stop people calling you out on it I mean seriously you can't just say
   "just cause I haven't done the research let me debate and put some points across without supporting them".

We are debating you here, your the one who chooses to avoid the use of research not us.
I didn't say I did loads of research or that I only did a little. Nor will I tell you.
Uncertaintly is my favorite toy.
If you have done so much research then let's have it already. put your money where your
mouth is! Where is the proof that there is a gay gene?

What you are doing here is called "shifting the burden of proof"
It's like this:

guy 1: did you know that watermelons are blue on the inside untill you cut them open?
guy 2: no they're not
guy 1: yes they are, prove me wrong
*guy 2 cuts open a watermelon*
guy 1: see? I told you! My theory is right, You cut the watermelon open and it turned red! your theory is wrong!

The problem here is guy 1 never supplied evidnce for his theory in the first place.
In the instance of the gay gene, I'll need a basis to attack before I can can even begin.
If I didn't do my research then you should easily win, right? Then if
that be the case then let's have it already!
but wait, thenumberone has already thrown in the towl!
And I don't see ender44 either!
   
"I don't believe that god doesn't exists, I myself am an agnostic atheist"

I would be willing to debate you on wether God exists or not on another thread
sometime but not this one, not only due to possible spam, but also because I barely
got my last post in this debate submitted in time.
    "You do know many Nazis did in-fact have no choices, there were penalties for not serving your countries,
    try to run away and you got killed regardless"

As Peter Parker said:
    "No matter what our circumstances, we can can always choose to do what's right."

Are you defending the horrible acts of the Nazis?
   
    "this was on both sides, so using Nazis as a comparison is two things, one :
    inaccurate, two : distasteful, you are literally comparing Nazis to homosexual people."


And you defended the Nazi's actions.  
One particular reason that I used the Nazis was because
of how they were threatened with death if they did not
follow orders, to where as gay people are not threatened
with death for changing to straight individuals.
All of your choices have consequense, will you put what's right
before your own wellfare? I would, I'd try to something about
all the wrongs that the Nazi's where attempting to force me to do.
Would you kill the jews if you were "forced" to do so by the Nazi's?

I wouldn't , I'd turn my gun on the commander, if I could!

The sandman decided that he didn't have a choice, he decided that he had to turn to stealing
to support his daughter. But, then he had an angry Spiderman to deal with.
Gay people may claim that they have no choice, but then they may find themselves
having to deal with an angry God bent on justice.
I thought that you said that you did have a choice in the matter
of being gay or not, no?
   
"Are you serious? You are literally saying that being gay makes you a victim, real love is a murder?"

They just accepted it. They blamed their genes for their situation rather than fight it
as an unnatural undesirable behavior.

No, real love is not murder, murder is something that most of us view as
wrong. If there was a murder gene, we would not accept that as an excuse
to murder. We would still hold a murderur responsible. Why is this different when it
comes to gay people? Genes do not excuse behaviour. Otherwise we may as
well give in our anger and hit people every time that they make us angery.
I would doubt that it is real love, as gay people cheat on eachother all the time.
Check out their divorce rates.
   
     "Why? Because we have high intelligence and speak a understandable language? That would place dolphins quite high now wouldn't it.
    We are animals regardless of what you think, we are part of the animal kingdom, yes we may be at the top, but we are still classed as animals.
    We have many traits animals have so don't just flaunt it off because "we're special"."


I believe that we are made in the image of God and have eternal souls.
Man is even morraly concious of right and wrong, something that animals are
not conscious of. This is more of an opinion vs opinion clash here.
I would be willing to cover this subject in a debate about the existence of God later.
   
     "Again your saying being homosexual is a problem, that is downright offensive, I'm bisexual, I like both genders,
     I have lived fine all my life and this is seriously offensive.
     I have been with both genders, love is love regardless if you think it's a problem or not. "

I was called a religious bigot. Feelings are irrelevant when it comes to principal.

A pirate may be offended by being called a murderer, but that's what he is.
You can talk bad about pirates all you want and no one cares about the pirate's feelings
here. I'm not trying to be offensive but I do believe that such actions are wrong.

As for real love, I doubt that It's real if someone has had around 100 sex partners.

Real love takes work and sacrifice, it helps if you pick the right person in the first place as well.
Sex may be a part of love, but only a part.
If you're in love with an air tank I would say that it's a problem.
If you want to have sexual relations with it I'd say that it's a problem.
Would you?

Men are supposed to be with with women, that's how they've
been designed. People have adopted an unnatural behavior that is
disgusting. Sex is for reproduction. That is the mechanical output of it.
Gay people take this special action and turn it around. It is no longer
about reproduction but is now a pleasure used in an unnatural, gross manner.
   
"That isn't even justifiable, your reasoning behind not taking them serious isn't even accurate, technically they don't need "help",
they can find a donator who is already willingly doing so to receive sperm and they don't even have to go through sexual reproduction."

Well one cheated on the other. Unless it was so that they could have a kid.
Anyways, lot's of "lesbians" admitted to sleeping with men. I believe that the exact number of lesbian's who did so
made up 93% of the "lesbian" population. that statistic was taken in 1974.
Isn't even accurate? They say that they're gay and then they participate in straight sex!
   
    *This may be a little to . . . up front and may be a little gross readers, view with cation. *

Men and Women both have a rear, that single body part could be all that the gay person focuses on.
I think that it's like this: A guy walks up to a computer. he sits down in the chair.
   "oh, no! I sat down in some gum, I can't move!"
. . .
   *he grunts as he makes it appear as if he is trying with all of his might to get loose*
    "oh, well. since I'm stuck here I might as well spend all of the time I want on this computer!"
I know that all he wanted was to use the computer, all that he needed was an excuse to do it.
He may even make it appear that he can't help his situation.
   
    "Then they are not homosexual but are in-fact doing an act of homosexuality, firstly homosexual means the following
    "Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or
    gender. Attraction does not mean sex to avoid having children."

I would accuse them of it anyways. Granted not all do it for that reason.
Do we not identify them by their behavior?
I'd say that they told a lie about their sexuality.
Their actions show that they are more likely bisexuals, no?
Or, wait are you saying that homosexuals can participate even happily
in straight sex? Then it should be much easier to return to the natural way
of doing things.
   
    "Last I checked they don't go out and have sex in the street. Your implying there pigs looking for their next mates.
    Straight people are no better, strip clubs, hookers etc. "

No, I just get to watch them kissing each other to death while I wait in line at Fredmyers.
Care to do that in private? Straight people may do that to, but percentage wise the gay's do it way more.
Using apps to find the next gay guy so that they can meet up in a bathroom and have sex
maybe even multiple times a day. I'd say that's a lot like how some animals act.
   
    "You cannot say that all homosexuals are sexual deviants as being gay does not solely revolve around sex.
    Neither is being straight, each group has there pigs but they are the minority of the grouping and not the large                   percentage.
   
Homosexuals and straight people alike are not sexual deviants as a whole, but rather each have a minority."
The gay's minority is much bigger percentage wise.
   
     "Straight people have these as well, dating sites are a growing thing and both straight and homosexuals alike
     use them so don't say that every site is a perverted sex hub when they are not."

Twas referring to the sex hubs, not the dating sites.
   
     "Give me a reason to"
Cause I'm taking you serious.
   
"I hadn't read his post, I had a tab open replying and I went for dinner, he had posted within this time and thus I never
    saw his post, it should also be noted that I never mentioned him or his post that you can't even call me hypocritical since I was solely responding to you alone. "

fair statement
   
     "You are then support what I said about morality, good and bad is from a point a view"
That's why it's not morally defensible, in atheism, there are no real morals.
Why do you think that gay marriage is ok? Is it because no one else gets hurt?
     
     "A happy life is worth far more than a long loveless live. Don't tell me how to live,
     I want a happy life, not one forced upon me. "

You aren't defending the 13 year old's choice to become gay
because he wants cheap sex are you?
Then don't allow the gay lifestyle to rule over you. There is more to
love than romance. People on drugs might say the same thing:
     
     "Don't tell me how to live"

Before you complain about me comparing gays to druggies,
just know that they both:

1 deny that their lifestye in unatural
2  say leave me alone, it doesn't affect you
3 deny that their lifestyle is dangerous to their body
4 deny that they need help

What's the differnce between the two?
One is ilegal, the other isn't.

Most everyone looks at homosexuals and are (naturaly) repulsed
by it. They just know that it's sick, like it's sick to have sexual relations with
an air tank.

choice quiz:
that guy who is in love with
his pet cat and want to have sex with it is:
 
  a: different
  b: not sane

that girl who fell in love with,
and wants to marry, an airtank is:
 
   a: on drugs
   b: different
   c: not right in the head.

that homeless guy who is always yelling at friut is:
   a: our next president
   b: is different
  c: needs a lot of help

that guy who sucks up his own blood:
  a: is gross, not right in the head, needs some help, even if he denies it.
  b: is . . . different?
  c: should start selling it on the streets next to that lemonaid stand.

that guy who sleeps with other guys is:
   a: not right in the head
   b: different

Look, no matter how you slice it, it still is what it is.
It's using a body system, in a perverse way.
You know how science shows us what sex is for, right?
Gay sex really isn't natural at all.

Science also shows us that sucking your own blood isn't natural either.
No one else get's hurt when a guy suck his own blood from his wounds,
but you wouldn't consider someone who does it perfectly sane would you?
Nor would you desire such behavior to become widespread would you?
I actually knew someone who sucked his blood from his injuries
for whatever reason. But thankfully, his parents corrected the behavior.
I choose this example because it is quite obviously not
something that you would recognize as just different.
Yes, I am literally comparing the two, and I ask you, how are they different from one another?
     
    ""Sex" regardless of homosexuality or not, is a desire, it is practiced by those of all sexuality."

Not every person has participated in sexual actions even though they could have.
There are plenty of people who have never been married or had sex at all.
     
   "Love is a desire is it not? Then even straight people are at fault."

I don't have a problem with love, I only have a problem with improperly placed love.
You shouldn't fall in love with a video game character should you?
You'll get real far with that relationship!
Not all desires should be satisfied all situations.
You don't satisfy your desire for sugar all of the time do you?

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I think that you're using the word "love" to refer mostly to sexual desire.
Here are some of the many definitions of the word love:
   
     1 Self-sacrificing

This can be seen in raising a family, a mother putting up with a childs
missdeeds, instructing, and disciplining him. Even through rebelion.
Even the worst of parents have this type of love.
   
     2 Family based love

This is the love that you have for your family, like
cousins and aunts.
     
     3 Romantic love

Held between a man and a woman this is mostly
grounded in sexual feelings.Theses feeling are not genuine
if they are shared between more than two individuals.
   
     4 Friendship

A type of love that is developed between unrelated
individuals. This type of love goes beyond a normal
acquaintance relationship.
   
     The definition of the word lust

Lust is an emotion or feeling of intense desire in the body.
The lust can take any form such as the lust for knowledge, the lust for sex or the lust for power.
It can take such mundane forms as the lust for food as distinct from the need for food.
Lust is a powerful psychological force producing intense wanting for an object,
or circumstance fulfilling the emotion.
I would qualify gay sex as lust, not love, as gay sex greatly lacks in the self-sacrificing area.

(Free sex and no responsibility, and if you like someone else more then go be with them.)
   
     "A happy life is worth far more than a long loveless live.
      Don't tell me how to live, I want a happy life, not one forced upon me."

Ask anyone who once was gay but decided to become straight if they
wish that they had their old lifestyle back.
They will tell you that it is not a long loveless life but that it is much better.
There is a reason that people have decided that being gay is not the
way that their lives should go.
Even those who are on drugs deny that they could be more satified.
Then they find out that their current life style is not the greatest.
   
     "Ever heard of suppression leads to depression. I'll take my chances."

Or it could lead to the discovering of real love and greater happiness.
   
     "What evidence for what theory exactly? I didn't state a theory due to the fact,
      you had not supported half of your arguments."

A lot of this debate is just going back and forth on the trail of logic.
Evidence is either unnecessary in some area or can be demonstrated in
simple analogies.

Your theory that I'm refering to is that the gay gene exists. Where is the evidence
for it? Have you abandoned it?

Here is why being gay is dangerous to your health
and why it cut's many gay individual's lives in half.

Homosexual life expectancy




   
Traduweise :
   
     "The link doesn't work because a parenthesis, period, and quotation mark got inadvertently stuck into the link.
If you had just exercised a little bit of common sense and studied the link for a second or two, you would have realised that. Alternately, you could have taken the unprecedented step of just Googling the Kinsey Scale, and finding something out yourself for a change. Either way, try and address some actual points instead of picking at irrelevent details."

I bet that if I had found my own link to attack you would have complained that I choose to attack the easiest
one that I could find. I let you pick the link so that you would know why you found the said link as scientifically
correct.

Hey how about, YOU JUST POST THE LINK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES RATHER
THAN PASS OFF YOUR OWN MISTAKE ON ME?

I'm serious, this happens all the time when you post a link for me to read.
Sheesh, you've told me how to fix it in the past and it still didn't work!

You remember what I said and I'll remember what you said, fair statement?
   
"And you keep telling us about the "research" you've done. Show this research. Legitimate,
    peer-reviewed sources only. Not blogs, not Onion articles, not Christian family advocacy groups."


Like this?


or this?

Sorry but I'm afraid that anyone can put whatever they
want on wikipedia whether they be biased or not. Why should
I accept your link then?

How about to see whether an article is accurate or not,
you look at how the research was conducted?

Also, I do not need to submit my research, all that I
have to do is take down the gay genes supporting points
in this situation.

Peer reviewed? I'd like to see who's side they're on
and how biased they are first if you want to play the
"no biased/Christian article game"!

I should ignore everything that iN008 is saying right now then,
after all, He's a bisexual, I can't trust what he's going to say!

I care not who makes an article.
So long I know how the tests were conducted.
You are unfairly trying to limit my resources
to articles that you can accept or deny unfairly at whim.
If you want to deny an article then point out errors in
the articles research and stop trying to make things one sided.
Yes there are bad articles out there,
if I give you one then explain why it is in error.
   
     "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale"

1 Criminals made up a fair part of the test subjects. So it's not uncommon for gay
people to also be criminals? Hmmm. . .

2 Over 100 sex partners? Wow, that's real love right there (.)

3 The guy interviewed a bunch of gays and rated them on his little scale
but how does that prove the existence of a gay gene?
Does that mean that if I take 10 thieves, interview them asking about
how they steal stuff and how often they do it, and then rate them on thieving
scale this proves that there is a thieving gene?
All that Kindsy did was show that there are different levels of
gay sex's desire.

This article that you gave me, Is that what you consider
evidence for the gay gene? Then you have a lot of research left to do your self!

I think that gay sex is gross and unnatural.
How is gay sex any different from someone who uses drugs?

both:

1 deny that their lifestyle in unnatural

2  say leave me alone, it doesn't affect you

3 deny that their lifestyle is dangerous to their body

4 deny that they need help

One difference is that drugs are illegal in many places.
The old "if it doesn't affect me then it should be legal" isn't so tried
and true.

How is gay marriage any different from a person sucking his own blood?
Yes, I've met someone who acctualy did that.
But his parents corrected this abnormality.

thenumberone :
   
     "Then you have taught yourself to be a bigot.
      I have no more to say to you."

Yeah, riiiight. . .
As if you haven't done the same.
If you want to destroy a civilization, then
just make everyone follow their base desires.
steal, rape, kill.
When little children put poisonous spiders
in their mouth just let it happen man!
I would probably be against gay marriage despite my
religion. It's not like there aren't atheists who think gay marriage is sick.
Maybe you're a bigot towards thieves because you have taught yourself
that stealing is wrong rather than fun, right?

That having been said, you are one of my most admirable adversaries,
I'd even put you on my friend list just cause we debate so much.
I must say thanks for not being a huge jerk like some other debaters
on this site. I'm thankful that you not a snob like some others are.
read below:

ender44 :

No offence ender, but any child can run off, but
a real man can admit he's wrong. I have had to admit that I'm wrong
in the past and have switched sides myself before.
Maybe you have lost because you were wrong?
There is nothing wrong with admitting it.

You only lose a debate if you leave on the losing side.
iN00B8:
   

   "Your research? Present your research then, stop people calling you out on it I mean seriously you can't just say
   "just cause I haven't done the research let me debate and put some points across without supporting them".

We are debating you here, your the one who chooses to avoid the use of research not us.
I didn't say I did loads of research or that I only did a little. Nor will I tell you.
Uncertaintly is my favorite toy.
If you have done so much research then let's have it already. put your money where your
mouth is! Where is the proof that there is a gay gene?

What you are doing here is called "shifting the burden of proof"
It's like this:

guy 1: did you know that watermelons are blue on the inside untill you cut them open?
guy 2: no they're not
guy 1: yes they are, prove me wrong
*guy 2 cuts open a watermelon*
guy 1: see? I told you! My theory is right, You cut the watermelon open and it turned red! your theory is wrong!

The problem here is guy 1 never supplied evidnce for his theory in the first place.
In the instance of the gay gene, I'll need a basis to attack before I can can even begin.
If I didn't do my research then you should easily win, right? Then if
that be the case then let's have it already!
but wait, thenumberone has already thrown in the towl!
And I don't see ender44 either!
   
"I don't believe that god doesn't exists, I myself am an agnostic atheist"

I would be willing to debate you on wether God exists or not on another thread
sometime but not this one, not only due to possible spam, but also because I barely
got my last post in this debate submitted in time.
    "You do know many Nazis did in-fact have no choices, there were penalties for not serving your countries,
    try to run away and you got killed regardless"

As Peter Parker said:
    "No matter what our circumstances, we can can always choose to do what's right."

Are you defending the horrible acts of the Nazis?
   
    "this was on both sides, so using Nazis as a comparison is two things, one :
    inaccurate, two : distasteful, you are literally comparing Nazis to homosexual people."


And you defended the Nazi's actions.  
One particular reason that I used the Nazis was because
of how they were threatened with death if they did not
follow orders, to where as gay people are not threatened
with death for changing to straight individuals.
All of your choices have consequense, will you put what's right
before your own wellfare? I would, I'd try to something about
all the wrongs that the Nazi's where attempting to force me to do.
Would you kill the jews if you were "forced" to do so by the Nazi's?

I wouldn't , I'd turn my gun on the commander, if I could!

The sandman decided that he didn't have a choice, he decided that he had to turn to stealing
to support his daughter. But, then he had an angry Spiderman to deal with.
Gay people may claim that they have no choice, but then they may find themselves
having to deal with an angry God bent on justice.
I thought that you said that you did have a choice in the matter
of being gay or not, no?
   
"Are you serious? You are literally saying that being gay makes you a victim, real love is a murder?"

They just accepted it. They blamed their genes for their situation rather than fight it
as an unnatural undesirable behavior.

No, real love is not murder, murder is something that most of us view as
wrong. If there was a murder gene, we would not accept that as an excuse
to murder. We would still hold a murderur responsible. Why is this different when it
comes to gay people? Genes do not excuse behaviour. Otherwise we may as
well give in our anger and hit people every time that they make us angery.
I would doubt that it is real love, as gay people cheat on eachother all the time.
Check out their divorce rates.
   
     "Why? Because we have high intelligence and speak a understandable language? That would place dolphins quite high now wouldn't it.
    We are animals regardless of what you think, we are part of the animal kingdom, yes we may be at the top, but we are still classed as animals.
    We have many traits animals have so don't just flaunt it off because "we're special"."


I believe that we are made in the image of God and have eternal souls.
Man is even morraly concious of right and wrong, something that animals are
not conscious of. This is more of an opinion vs opinion clash here.
I would be willing to cover this subject in a debate about the existence of God later.
   
     "Again your saying being homosexual is a problem, that is downright offensive, I'm bisexual, I like both genders,
     I have lived fine all my life and this is seriously offensive.
     I have been with both genders, love is love regardless if you think it's a problem or not. "

I was called a religious bigot. Feelings are irrelevant when it comes to principal.

A pirate may be offended by being called a murderer, but that's what he is.
You can talk bad about pirates all you want and no one cares about the pirate's feelings
here. I'm not trying to be offensive but I do believe that such actions are wrong.

As for real love, I doubt that It's real if someone has had around 100 sex partners.

Real love takes work and sacrifice, it helps if you pick the right person in the first place as well.
Sex may be a part of love, but only a part.
If you're in love with an air tank I would say that it's a problem.
If you want to have sexual relations with it I'd say that it's a problem.
Would you?

Men are supposed to be with with women, that's how they've
been designed. People have adopted an unnatural behavior that is
disgusting. Sex is for reproduction. That is the mechanical output of it.
Gay people take this special action and turn it around. It is no longer
about reproduction but is now a pleasure used in an unnatural, gross manner.
   
"That isn't even justifiable, your reasoning behind not taking them serious isn't even accurate, technically they don't need "help",
they can find a donator who is already willingly doing so to receive sperm and they don't even have to go through sexual reproduction."

Well one cheated on the other. Unless it was so that they could have a kid.
Anyways, lot's of "lesbians" admitted to sleeping with men. I believe that the exact number of lesbian's who did so
made up 93% of the "lesbian" population. that statistic was taken in 1974.
Isn't even accurate? They say that they're gay and then they participate in straight sex!
   
    *This may be a little to . . . up front and may be a little gross readers, view with cation. *

Men and Women both have a rear, that single body part could be all that the gay person focuses on.
I think that it's like this: A guy walks up to a computer. he sits down in the chair.
   "oh, no! I sat down in some gum, I can't move!"
. . .
   *he grunts as he makes it appear as if he is trying with all of his might to get loose*
    "oh, well. since I'm stuck here I might as well spend all of the time I want on this computer!"
I know that all he wanted was to use the computer, all that he needed was an excuse to do it.
He may even make it appear that he can't help his situation.
   
    "Then they are not homosexual but are in-fact doing an act of homosexuality, firstly homosexual means the following
    "Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or
    gender. Attraction does not mean sex to avoid having children."

I would accuse them of it anyways. Granted not all do it for that reason.
Do we not identify them by their behavior?
I'd say that they told a lie about their sexuality.
Their actions show that they are more likely bisexuals, no?
Or, wait are you saying that homosexuals can participate even happily
in straight sex? Then it should be much easier to return to the natural way
of doing things.
   
    "Last I checked they don't go out and have sex in the street. Your implying there pigs looking for their next mates.
    Straight people are no better, strip clubs, hookers etc. "

No, I just get to watch them kissing each other to death while I wait in line at Fredmyers.
Care to do that in private? Straight people may do that to, but percentage wise the gay's do it way more.
Using apps to find the next gay guy so that they can meet up in a bathroom and have sex
maybe even multiple times a day. I'd say that's a lot like how some animals act.
   
    "You cannot say that all homosexuals are sexual deviants as being gay does not solely revolve around sex.
    Neither is being straight, each group has there pigs but they are the minority of the grouping and not the large                   percentage.
   
Homosexuals and straight people alike are not sexual deviants as a whole, but rather each have a minority."
The gay's minority is much bigger percentage wise.
   
     "Straight people have these as well, dating sites are a growing thing and both straight and homosexuals alike
     use them so don't say that every site is a perverted sex hub when they are not."

Twas referring to the sex hubs, not the dating sites.
   
     "Give me a reason to"
Cause I'm taking you serious.
   
"I hadn't read his post, I had a tab open replying and I went for dinner, he had posted within this time and thus I never
    saw his post, it should also be noted that I never mentioned him or his post that you can't even call me hypocritical since I was solely responding to you alone. "

fair statement
   
     "You are then support what I said about morality, good and bad is from a point a view"
That's why it's not morally defensible, in atheism, there are no real morals.
Why do you think that gay marriage is ok? Is it because no one else gets hurt?
     
     "A happy life is worth far more than a long loveless live. Don't tell me how to live,
     I want a happy life, not one forced upon me. "

You aren't defending the 13 year old's choice to become gay
because he wants cheap sex are you?
Then don't allow the gay lifestyle to rule over you. There is more to
love than romance. People on drugs might say the same thing:
     
     "Don't tell me how to live"

Before you complain about me comparing gays to druggies,
just know that they both:

1 deny that their lifestye in unatural
2  say leave me alone, it doesn't affect you
3 deny that their lifestyle is dangerous to their body
4 deny that they need help

What's the differnce between the two?
One is ilegal, the other isn't.

Most everyone looks at homosexuals and are (naturaly) repulsed
by it. They just know that it's sick, like it's sick to have sexual relations with
an air tank.

choice quiz:
that guy who is in love with
his pet cat and want to have sex with it is:
 
  a: different
  b: not sane

that girl who fell in love with,
and wants to marry, an airtank is:
 
   a: on drugs
   b: different
   c: not right in the head.

that homeless guy who is always yelling at friut is:
   a: our next president
   b: is different
  c: needs a lot of help

that guy who sucks up his own blood:
  a: is gross, not right in the head, needs some help, even if he denies it.
  b: is . . . different?
  c: should start selling it on the streets next to that lemonaid stand.

that guy who sleeps with other guys is:
   a: not right in the head
   b: different

Look, no matter how you slice it, it still is what it is.
It's using a body system, in a perverse way.
You know how science shows us what sex is for, right?
Gay sex really isn't natural at all.

Science also shows us that sucking your own blood isn't natural either.
No one else get's hurt when a guy suck his own blood from his wounds,
but you wouldn't consider someone who does it perfectly sane would you?
Nor would you desire such behavior to become widespread would you?
I actually knew someone who sucked his blood from his injuries
for whatever reason. But thankfully, his parents corrected the behavior.
I choose this example because it is quite obviously not
something that you would recognize as just different.
Yes, I am literally comparing the two, and I ask you, how are they different from one another?
     
    ""Sex" regardless of homosexuality or not, is a desire, it is practiced by those of all sexuality."

Not every person has participated in sexual actions even though they could have.
There are plenty of people who have never been married or had sex at all.
     
   "Love is a desire is it not? Then even straight people are at fault."

I don't have a problem with love, I only have a problem with improperly placed love.
You shouldn't fall in love with a video game character should you?
You'll get real far with that relationship!
Not all desires should be satisfied all situations.
You don't satisfy your desire for sugar all of the time do you?

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I think that you're using the word "love" to refer mostly to sexual desire.
Here are some of the many definitions of the word love:
   
     1 Self-sacrificing

This can be seen in raising a family, a mother putting up with a childs
missdeeds, instructing, and disciplining him. Even through rebelion.
Even the worst of parents have this type of love.
   
     2 Family based love

This is the love that you have for your family, like
cousins and aunts.
     
     3 Romantic love

Held between a man and a woman this is mostly
grounded in sexual feelings.Theses feeling are not genuine
if they are shared between more than two individuals.
   
     4 Friendship

A type of love that is developed between unrelated
individuals. This type of love goes beyond a normal
acquaintance relationship.
   
     The definition of the word lust

Lust is an emotion or feeling of intense desire in the body.
The lust can take any form such as the lust for knowledge, the lust for sex or the lust for power.
It can take such mundane forms as the lust for food as distinct from the need for food.
Lust is a powerful psychological force producing intense wanting for an object,
or circumstance fulfilling the emotion.
I would qualify gay sex as lust, not love, as gay sex greatly lacks in the self-sacrificing area.

(Free sex and no responsibility, and if you like someone else more then go be with them.)
   
     "A happy life is worth far more than a long loveless live.
      Don't tell me how to live, I want a happy life, not one forced upon me."

Ask anyone who once was gay but decided to become straight if they
wish that they had their old lifestyle back.
They will tell you that it is not a long loveless life but that it is much better.
There is a reason that people have decided that being gay is not the
way that their lives should go.
Even those who are on drugs deny that they could be more satified.
Then they find out that their current life style is not the greatest.
   
     "Ever heard of suppression leads to depression. I'll take my chances."

Or it could lead to the discovering of real love and greater happiness.
   
     "What evidence for what theory exactly? I didn't state a theory due to the fact,
      you had not supported half of your arguments."

A lot of this debate is just going back and forth on the trail of logic.
Evidence is either unnecessary in some area or can be demonstrated in
simple analogies.

Your theory that I'm refering to is that the gay gene exists. Where is the evidence
for it? Have you abandoned it?

Here is why being gay is dangerous to your health
and why it cut's many gay individual's lives in half.

Homosexual life expectancy




   
Traduweise :
   
     "The link doesn't work because a parenthesis, period, and quotation mark got inadvertently stuck into the link.
If you had just exercised a little bit of common sense and studied the link for a second or two, you would have realised that. Alternately, you could have taken the unprecedented step of just Googling the Kinsey Scale, and finding something out yourself for a change. Either way, try and address some actual points instead of picking at irrelevent details."

I bet that if I had found my own link to attack you would have complained that I choose to attack the easiest
one that I could find. I let you pick the link so that you would know why you found the said link as scientifically
correct.

Hey how about, YOU JUST POST THE LINK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES RATHER
THAN PASS OFF YOUR OWN MISTAKE ON ME?

I'm serious, this happens all the time when you post a link for me to read.
Sheesh, you've told me how to fix it in the past and it still didn't work!

You remember what I said and I'll remember what you said, fair statement?
   
"And you keep telling us about the "research" you've done. Show this research. Legitimate,
    peer-reviewed sources only. Not blogs, not Onion articles, not Christian family advocacy groups."


Like this?


or this?

Sorry but I'm afraid that anyone can put whatever they
want on wikipedia whether they be biased or not. Why should
I accept your link then?

How about to see whether an article is accurate or not,
you look at how the research was conducted?

Also, I do not need to submit my research, all that I
have to do is take down the gay genes supporting points
in this situation.

Peer reviewed? I'd like to see who's side they're on
and how biased they are first if you want to play the
"no biased/Christian article game"!

I should ignore everything that iN008 is saying right now then,
after all, He's a bisexual, I can't trust what he's going to say!

I care not who makes an article.
So long I know how the tests were conducted.
You are unfairly trying to limit my resources
to articles that you can accept or deny unfairly at whim.
If you want to deny an article then point out errors in
the articles research and stop trying to make things one sided.
Yes there are bad articles out there,
if I give you one then explain why it is in error.
   
     "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale"

1 Criminals made up a fair part of the test subjects. So it's not uncommon for gay
people to also be criminals? Hmmm. . .

2 Over 100 sex partners? Wow, that's real love right there (.)

3 The guy interviewed a bunch of gays and rated them on his little scale
but how does that prove the existence of a gay gene?
Does that mean that if I take 10 thieves, interview them asking about
how they steal stuff and how often they do it, and then rate them on thieving
scale this proves that there is a thieving gene?
All that Kindsy did was show that there are different levels of
gay sex's desire.

This article that you gave me, Is that what you consider
evidence for the gay gene? Then you have a lot of research left to do your self!

I think that gay sex is gross and unnatural.
How is gay sex any different from someone who uses drugs?

both:

1 deny that their lifestyle in unnatural

2  say leave me alone, it doesn't affect you

3 deny that their lifestyle is dangerous to their body

4 deny that they need help

One difference is that drugs are illegal in many places.
The old "if it doesn't affect me then it should be legal" isn't so tried
and true.

How is gay marriage any different from a person sucking his own blood?
Yes, I've met someone who acctualy did that.
But his parents corrected this abnormality.

thenumberone :
   
     "Then you have taught yourself to be a bigot.
      I have no more to say to you."

Yeah, riiiight. . .
As if you haven't done the same.
If you want to destroy a civilization, then
just make everyone follow their base desires.
steal, rape, kill.
When little children put poisonous spiders
in their mouth just let it happen man!
I would probably be against gay marriage despite my
religion. It's not like there aren't atheists who think gay marriage is sick.
Maybe you're a bigot towards thieves because you have taught yourself
that stealing is wrong rather than fun, right?

That having been said, you are one of my most admirable adversaries,
I'd even put you on my friend list just cause we debate so much.
I must say thanks for not being a huge jerk like some other debaters
on this site. I'm thankful that you not a snob like some others are.
read below:

ender44 :

No offence ender, but any child can run off, but
a real man can admit he's wrong. I have had to admit that I'm wrong
in the past and have switched sides myself before.
Maybe you have lost because you were wrong?
There is nothing wrong with admitting it.

You only lose a debate if you leave on the losing side.
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