thing1 :
Singelli :
MegaRevolution1 :   If we are to do that, then I feel we would have to also have people send PM's when they GIVE tp as well, because you know, people don't exactly rate because of being a good user.
It would be way too hard to police both ways.

mlb789 : while that's would seem a bit reasonable, I've never really seen anyone from Mod and above misuse the up-vote system. You can probably guess where I'm heading now with how I worded that.

I was thinking about the downvote system and how it's not as easy to do it anymore supposedly, but then I had a thought, and that was "Y'know, based on Vizzed History, it looks like it's a lot easier to gain Site Staff than it is to gain almost anything else!"

That said, I think a way to fix this would be to replace the downvote option from Site Staff + to perhaps Elite, skip Site Staff, to Mod +. While this may sound ridiculous, just try to think about it.

In the past, we've had users such as Jlh or Seanne as RGR Staff, and to skip the stories of what they did, they ended up Perma-Banned. We've also had many users before that were just bad in general that got in easily, and ended up with punishments resulting normal trusted status or just normal member status.

For Elite, it's generally those who have done a LOT of work for the site, and generally earned it. If they do bad stuff, which doesn't happen too often, they'd end up banned, etc, losing their Elite status.

Yes, I know there are Elites that are/have been bad before and resulted in demotion of their Elite Status, but it's generally far less often than when somebody gains and loses RGR status without getting Elite. In fact, I think there was a time in which when RGR members dropped out for certain cases, they ended up without Elite? Can't remember 100%, so don't take this one example too much to heart.

Either way, I truly believe Elites and Mods + should have the power to downvote, not for selfish reasons or to feel like my power needs more of anything or whatever, but on a logical bases, Nya~.

and before anyone tries to throw this excuse into the air, no, this isn't my way of using any personal vendettas against people or anything. I just gave up on downrating people in general now due to the fact that when I fairly dowvoted, I got scolded by those without power, so there's just no winning, and as such, just pointless

Sooooo, I did something kind of stupid.

I accidentally rated someone down.... (okay okay, there's more to it than that!)

I went to see if I had given someone all the TP I possibly could, but for some reason, it wasn't showing how much I had rated them... only WHEN. I thought maybe it was a glitch, so I rated that person 1 TP. Then I realized (AFTER hitting submit, go figure), that it was only showing my options for +1, -1, and 0 because the TP hadn't reset (due to maintenance, I assume) and I could only give out 1 TP from last week regardless. In other words, I must have rated this person +2, but it wasn't showing my rating because that rating option wasn't available.

Could you possibly undo the 'backsplash' that occurred because of it, if I tell you who the person was? Also, perhaps there should be TEXT that shows WHAT we rated the person, since the buttons won't show in certain circumstances.

EDIT: Never mind. I forgot that only negative ratings effect others. Still, it would be nice to have the text, if that's not too much trouble.

Oh boy, where do I start...

austipokedude : still the same.

mlb789 : The possibility of Elite being able to take away points was an idea I through out there when I created this feature and I'm still open to that idea if the idea has enough support.

If users are becoming trusted fast right now than it's possibly because the feature is new and I also made it so that users could hand out twice as many Trust points in a week than they'd normally be able to (which I just changed back now). Another possibility is that becoming a Trusted Member requires too few points, I could change it from 5 to 10.

Even if only staff can give out negative points (and maybe soon elite), they can still impact a lot of users just by down rating a single user because by down rating that single user, all the users that up rated that user also lose trust points.

When it comes down to it, I think people misinterpret what the point of the Trust Point system is.

patar4097 : If you rate someone positive and later rate them a 0, they lose the points that you originally gave them and you don't lose any points from your weekly limit.

theesa.com/piracy/ : I'm not sure who you are but since you claim to be an ex staff member, than you're probably Elite. Is I've explained many times, I've been thinking about giving the Elite the ability to down rate users.

GameBoy1023 : Not sure what you mean.

Singelli : If a staff member rates someone negative -2 and than positive and than negative -3, the penalties are recalculated to reflect the -3.

MegaRevolution1 : Users are easily tempered on this site so if a staff member down rates a user for good reason, that user may retaliate.

You do bring up good points about the Site Staff vs Elite. I still want Site Staff to be able to down rate (because a lot of them do a great job and deserve it) but your argument really makes me want to give the Vizzed Elite the ability to downrate.

Singelli : I could add the text as well. Done.

I really like the new system, it is good that users can't take away points except for mods, because I have had problems in the past with people taking my trust points away, causing me to not be Trusted anymore.

Davideo7 : ah, okay.  So you DID think of that.  Glad to know.    And thanks for adding the text!  I think that will stop some confusion in the future.  Will the TP be reset this week since it didn't reset at the beginning of the week due to maintenance?  I'm not asking for it to be, but just curious.

To those who continue to complain: It's impossible to please everyone. No matter how I went about this, there was going to be someone to complain. As I've mentioned many times, I can make adjustments to this. One of the suckiest things about being a site owner is that the complainers are more vocal than those who are appreciative.

Inviting a wave of users who suck up, are we? Should we continue to use this thread for discussing the new system, or should it be taken somewhere else?

Davideo7 :

I wouldn't say most of us are complaining. I see a couple adding nothing constructive, but for the most part those of us who disagree are giving well thought out responses with scenarios that we think could be avoided with tweaks in various ways.

The biggest hurdle is that some of us, like me, think there are way too many trusteds. The more people in a rank, the less it means.

Why are there too many trusteds?

1. Users giving TP out like crazy. - this can be attributed to the system being new, but I don't think it's going to drop off much. There are a lot of kids who give out TP to anyone who says hi to them.

2. No real ability to police the rank - the only people who can downrate are staff. A lot of the staff doesn't downrate anyone, and the only control is gone. Even if you gave elites the ability to take 1, it wouldn't be enougu to strip a member of an undeserved status.

3. Limit is far too low - especially given 99% of people can only give.

Additionally, while this doesn't have to do with the surplus of trusted members...

X. No incentive to uprate people - why should I uprate anyone, especially since I can be negatively affected if he's turning it around and staff still isn't wise to it. He deserves to be rewarded, but instead has a lack of TP because no one wants to be negatively affected by being nice.

Plus, it costs nothing to do nothing.

legacyme3 : I was just thinking about that last part. Why would I give out trust points if the only thing that can happen to me will be negative? I feel that somebody shouldn't get effected by only one down rating. Let's say that Joey, a staff member, rated down Eric, because he disagrees with him. So this has been said, but you can rate down indirectly everybody who likes Eric. Also, you should need at least ten Trusted Points to be trusted, not five.

Erm, it has been a little over a week now, and it says I still can not rate anyone else up, Nya~. Is this perhaps a glitch of some sort, or...?

MegaRevolution1 :  The site maintenance caused the TP rating system to not reset as it should have been.  It should reset on Monday though.

Davideo7 :
Just thought I'd point out that the trust point system didn't reset again. I don't think it's automatically re- setting like it should.

Singelli : Fixed. I looked at my code and there was a typo in there. It should be fixed from now on.

Huh.
My TP didn't reset.

I have no idea why, but I went to rate someone, and it stated that I had used 6 of my 6 TP for the week.....  

Singelli : When did you do the rating? Because the reset probably didn't happen until 10 am this morning.

Davideo7 :  Oh, yeah, it's reset now.    Sorry about that!

Singelli : Good, that's a relief lol. It always sucks having to re-read code over and over and over again just to figure out what's wrong with it and sometimes it's something so small that it's very easy to not notice.