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Obama Or Romney!

 
November arroudn the corner who are you voting for! seeing where the votes would go for gamers!
Obama
 
44.1%, 30 votes
Romney
 
22.1%, 15 votes
Ron Paul
 
13.2%, 9 votes
not voting
 
20.6%, 14 votes
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thenumberone : The Somalia didn't work out, is because there was still structure throughout the world. Believe it or not structure is what creates chaos and destruction. Look at the us for example, we have 'Democracy' (in reality it seems more like fashistism) since we have big brother telling us what to do all the time people feel like they have to break the boundaries and do the opposite. Or break the laws that we set, equaling chaos so our system is flawed sure they get jailed for it but don't you think jail has its own structure that makes people even worse than when they were out on the street?
thenumberone : The Somalia didn't work out, is because there was still structure throughout the world. Believe it or not structure is what creates chaos and destruction. Look at the us for example, we have 'Democracy' (in reality it seems more like fashistism) since we have big brother telling us what to do all the time people feel like they have to break the boundaries and do the opposite. Or break the laws that we set, equaling chaos so our system is flawed sure they get jailed for it but don't you think jail has its own structure that makes people even worse than when they were out on the street?
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I honestly don't much really care on who should be elected as president because one is that i don't and not able to vote, since im only sixteen, and two they both aren't going to do anything good for the south while the reign.
I honestly don't much really care on who should be elected as president because one is that i don't and not able to vote, since im only sixteen, and two they both aren't going to do anything good for the south while the reign.
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Just a reminder the First Presidental Debate is tommarrow. So if your not sure who you want to vote or you can't find anything good on TV then you can watch that.
Just a reminder the First Presidental Debate is tommarrow. So if your not sure who you want to vote or you can't find anything good on TV then you can watch that.
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i played the debate drinking game while i watched it needless to say i got smasyhed!
i played the debate drinking game while i watched it needless to say i got smasyhed!
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I choose Obama.  Obama just has a better chance right now.  Romney isn't really give that good of an insight.  I don't think Romney is going be a good president.
I choose Obama.  Obama just has a better chance right now.  Romney isn't really give that good of an insight.  I don't think Romney is going be a good president.
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I'm not into politics at ALL, nor do I like either of the main competitors this year. I'm not thrilled at all and I'm dreading the next four years. However, that being said, I'd have to pick Romney over Obama. It seems many people are swept away by Obama's 'charm' and the fact that he's a minority.  That doesn't matter to me at all.  Rae and looks have nothing to do with holding the presidential office.
I'm not into politics at ALL, nor do I like either of the main competitors this year. I'm not thrilled at all and I'm dreading the next four years. However, that being said, I'd have to pick Romney over Obama. It seems many people are swept away by Obama's 'charm' and the fact that he's a minority.  That doesn't matter to me at all.  Rae and looks have nothing to do with holding the presidential office.
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Obama.

It's not about who is going to make things better anymore.

It's all about damage control, who is going to f*** us up the least.

And that man is Obama. Romney is basically telling us he's going to f*** us over, while he smiles about it. He doesn't care about America at all. He cares about himself, and the 1%, some of which have been made THANKS to Obama.

Obama isn't great. Don't confuse this for an endorsement. If Jill Stein stood a chance, I'd vote for her.

But this is about choosing the lesser of two evils for me.
Obama.

It's not about who is going to make things better anymore.

It's all about damage control, who is going to f*** us up the least.

And that man is Obama. Romney is basically telling us he's going to f*** us over, while he smiles about it. He doesn't care about America at all. He cares about himself, and the 1%, some of which have been made THANKS to Obama.

Obama isn't great. Don't confuse this for an endorsement. If Jill Stein stood a chance, I'd vote for her.

But this is about choosing the lesser of two evils for me.
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After watching the debate I am now quite seriously entertaining thoughts of doing a write-in vote for the first guy I see on the street on the way to the booth.
After watching the debate I am now quite seriously entertaining thoughts of doing a write-in vote for the first guy I see on the street on the way to the booth.
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I usually don't have any opinion on politics and I certainly don't vote. Anyway, I think Obama has done a lot for the disabled and for the poor. He's been pretty good at lowering taxes, from what I've read and heard. He's done a lot for those of us who are disabled. I think he is a really good president. I never really take much notice but out of all the presidents I've seen over the years, so far he's done the best job being the President of the United States.
I usually don't have any opinion on politics and I certainly don't vote. Anyway, I think Obama has done a lot for the disabled and for the poor. He's been pretty good at lowering taxes, from what I've read and heard. He's done a lot for those of us who are disabled. I think he is a really good president. I never really take much notice but out of all the presidents I've seen over the years, so far he's done the best job being the President of the United States.
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i would say obama cause he is class predident and wants to make peace with everyone  and i dnt really no this romney guy so i would go bfor obama
i would say obama cause he is class predident and wants to make peace with everyone  and i dnt really no this romney guy so i would go bfor obama
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legacyme3 has the right idea here. It's the lesser of two evils... well, Obama isn't evil but that's how the saying goes... maybe more accurate is the lesser of two crappy options?

You know Romney's going to make the situation even worse. Obama is either going to be ineffective or actually bring some real change this time around. I'll take neutral over a decline any day.

I also don't like how so many people say they're just going to not vote or vote for someone they know has no chance at winning anyway. When you do that, you're basically saying it's okay if Romney gets elected (or if you prefer Romney, then it's okay of Obama gets elected). Now if that's really how you feel, fine... but what gets me is people who don't vote and then complain about the government all the time when the president does stuff that hurts them. What right have you to complain if you're of legal voting age and just don't bother?

I've heard so many people during the Bush days tell me how bad a president they thought Bush was. And I tell them: well, he was voted into his position by the people of this country. The usual response was: "Well, I didn't vote for him!" and then when I ask who they DID vote for, they say they didn't vote. Well, no right to complain then. It's partially your fault that he got elected. Even if you don't vote for the person who wins, it's your fault they won unless you voted for the other person.

And don't kid yourself into thinking there's any more than 2 candidates for president any given election. It's a two party system and that's not likely to change anytime soon. Legally, they can't say other people can't form parties and run... but it's really just for show.
legacyme3 has the right idea here. It's the lesser of two evils... well, Obama isn't evil but that's how the saying goes... maybe more accurate is the lesser of two crappy options?

You know Romney's going to make the situation even worse. Obama is either going to be ineffective or actually bring some real change this time around. I'll take neutral over a decline any day.

I also don't like how so many people say they're just going to not vote or vote for someone they know has no chance at winning anyway. When you do that, you're basically saying it's okay if Romney gets elected (or if you prefer Romney, then it's okay of Obama gets elected). Now if that's really how you feel, fine... but what gets me is people who don't vote and then complain about the government all the time when the president does stuff that hurts them. What right have you to complain if you're of legal voting age and just don't bother?

I've heard so many people during the Bush days tell me how bad a president they thought Bush was. And I tell them: well, he was voted into his position by the people of this country. The usual response was: "Well, I didn't vote for him!" and then when I ask who they DID vote for, they say they didn't vote. Well, no right to complain then. It's partially your fault that he got elected. Even if you don't vote for the person who wins, it's your fault they won unless you voted for the other person.

And don't kid yourself into thinking there's any more than 2 candidates for president any given election. It's a two party system and that's not likely to change anytime soon. Legally, they can't say other people can't form parties and run... but it's really just for show.
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Obamney a puppet for international banks ... just my .02. IF I vote next month (I'm registered but I really detest the candidates) I would vote for Ron Paul, even though he has zero percent chance of winning - he's the only one with the cojones to talk about quantitative easing, the fed, 9/11, issues that matter to me.
Obamney a puppet for international banks ... just my .02. IF I vote next month (I'm registered but I really detest the candidates) I would vote for Ron Paul, even though he has zero percent chance of winning - he's the only one with the cojones to talk about quantitative easing, the fed, 9/11, issues that matter to me.
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Crazy Li : What gives people who don't vote the right to complain? Well, in my defense, the reason I don't vote is because I know mankind can not fix our problems. I believe that the only person that can fix our problems is God. And anyone who lives in, whatever country they live in, does actually have the right to complain. That's what free speech is.

Should others who do vote judge the ones who don't? No, definitely not. Everyone has their own personal reasons as to why they decide not to vote. It really doesn't matter if you choose to vote or not. It still affects you and you do have the right to feel the way you do and have your own opinions about why you think certain presidents or other world leaders aren't good for the country you happen to live in.

I also don't vote because I don't put my faith in man. I put my faith in God, and He hasn't failed me yet.
Crazy Li : What gives people who don't vote the right to complain? Well, in my defense, the reason I don't vote is because I know mankind can not fix our problems. I believe that the only person that can fix our problems is God. And anyone who lives in, whatever country they live in, does actually have the right to complain. That's what free speech is.

Should others who do vote judge the ones who don't? No, definitely not. Everyone has their own personal reasons as to why they decide not to vote. It really doesn't matter if you choose to vote or not. It still affects you and you do have the right to feel the way you do and have your own opinions about why you think certain presidents or other world leaders aren't good for the country you happen to live in.

I also don't vote because I don't put my faith in man. I put my faith in God, and He hasn't failed me yet.
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nextbestthing88 : I think Obama should get the next four years just to serve his full term. I think Romney is for the rich people while Obama want to makes tax cuts for the middle income persons.  

nextbestthing88 : I think Obama should get the next four years just to serve his full term. I think Romney is for the rich people while Obama want to makes tax cuts for the middle income persons.  
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SunflowerGaming : I'm not judging those who don't vote and I'm not saying people can't decline to vote. The right to vote also means the right not to and I understand that. What I'm saying is that you don't vote, then you shouldn't whine when the person who won ruins the country. You had the opportunity to at least try and do something to prevent that and you didn't.

If you have reasons not to vote, that's fine. But I think it's a little irresponsible to blame anyone for a countries situation when you have the ability to do something about it and don't. If that's not what you're doing, then there's no problem.

Also, I don't put any stock in things that I don't know for sure exist, so I have to work with what I know is there. It may be comforting to be able to put your faith in God, but God isn't the one who decides whether or not it's possible to have a reasonable life without being one of the 1%. This comes from the actions of people.
SunflowerGaming : I'm not judging those who don't vote and I'm not saying people can't decline to vote. The right to vote also means the right not to and I understand that. What I'm saying is that you don't vote, then you shouldn't whine when the person who won ruins the country. You had the opportunity to at least try and do something to prevent that and you didn't.

If you have reasons not to vote, that's fine. But I think it's a little irresponsible to blame anyone for a countries situation when you have the ability to do something about it and don't. If that's not what you're doing, then there's no problem.

Also, I don't put any stock in things that I don't know for sure exist, so I have to work with what I know is there. It may be comforting to be able to put your faith in God, but God isn't the one who decides whether or not it's possible to have a reasonable life without being one of the 1%. This comes from the actions of people.
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You can worship God if you wish, but God doesn't run the country you reside in. Men do.
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You can worship God if you wish, but God doesn't run the country you reside in. Men do.
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Li:

I don't yet know who I'm going to vote for or if I'm going to bother, except that I'm not voting for Romney. But I do know that I'm awfully tired of that "you don't have a right to complain" cliche. Every time something worth complaining about happens, that gives people, by definition, the right to complain. (Whether there is anything to be *gained* from complaining is another matter altogether, but not the one under discussion.) If you were really consistent with your logic then you would say that *no* individual voter has that right. The odds are virtually nil that the one person complaining has all by themselves had any real, significant say. For example, let's say that a hundred million people end up voting. One millionth of a percent is not all that different from zero percent. How large would a group of protesters have to be before they've earned the right to protest?

There has to be a limit to how evil someone can be before "choosing the lesser of two evils" itself becomes an act of evil, of aiding an abetting a criminal. I don't know, *maybe* Obama hasn't reached that limit. His most extreme act of wickedness so far (that I know of, and I don't keep up) can't affect more than just a few theoretical waterboarded individuals. But if someone does think he's reached that limit, whether they are right or not they have every right to complain. All by itself the very fact that we have reached the point where most voters acknowledge that they're choosing the lesser of two evils merits massive, massive complaint.
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I don't yet know who I'm going to vote for or if I'm going to bother, except that I'm not voting for Romney. But I do know that I'm awfully tired of that "you don't have a right to complain" cliche. Every time something worth complaining about happens, that gives people, by definition, the right to complain. (Whether there is anything to be *gained* from complaining is another matter altogether, but not the one under discussion.) If you were really consistent with your logic then you would say that *no* individual voter has that right. The odds are virtually nil that the one person complaining has all by themselves had any real, significant say. For example, let's say that a hundred million people end up voting. One millionth of a percent is not all that different from zero percent. How large would a group of protesters have to be before they've earned the right to protest?

There has to be a limit to how evil someone can be before "choosing the lesser of two evils" itself becomes an act of evil, of aiding an abetting a criminal. I don't know, *maybe* Obama hasn't reached that limit. His most extreme act of wickedness so far (that I know of, and I don't keep up) can't affect more than just a few theoretical waterboarded individuals. But if someone does think he's reached that limit, whether they are right or not they have every right to complain. All by itself the very fact that we have reached the point where most voters acknowledge that they're choosing the lesser of two evils merits massive, massive complaint.
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Crazy Li : Yeah I know you weren't saying anything bad about not voting. I was just explaining why I choose not to vote.

legacyme3 : Yes, I understand that mankind is ruling whatever government you may happen to have for what country you live in. And in the Bible it does say to respect the government. I just don't vote and put all my faith in a mere human being. They can only do so much and they're "rule" is only temporary. I don't want to make this into a religious thread. So I'll just leave it at that.

Crazy Li : Yeah I know you weren't saying anything bad about not voting. I was just explaining why I choose not to vote.

legacyme3 : Yes, I understand that mankind is ruling whatever government you may happen to have for what country you live in. And in the Bible it does say to respect the government. I just don't vote and put all my faith in a mere human being. They can only do so much and they're "rule" is only temporary. I don't want to make this into a religious thread. So I'll just leave it at that.

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As a person who is studying to become a politican; SunflowerGaming is right on money. We really can't do much since we have to compromise on issues to get only a piece of what we want. But that is not always the case since we are living in a time where radicals on both sides of the political spectrum mostly dominate our Congress. And she is right by their rule is only temporary (both in a religious sense and a election sense.)

Crazy Li : To me and what we are taught is that their is no such thing as not voting. Lets say for instance that I'm going to vote for Obama, but at some point he does something to offend me so I decide not to vote (in this situation I'm not going to vote for Romney due to political stance difference.) When I decide not to vote; Obama actually loses a vote and I ended up voting for Romney even thou I didn't vote at all. Thats why the political parties make a huge effort to get people out to vote, becuase if a person who has at least 1 issue they agree with their canidate on then they have a shot at an extra vote.
As a person who is studying to become a politican; SunflowerGaming is right on money. We really can't do much since we have to compromise on issues to get only a piece of what we want. But that is not always the case since we are living in a time where radicals on both sides of the political spectrum mostly dominate our Congress. And she is right by their rule is only temporary (both in a religious sense and a election sense.)

Crazy Li : To me and what we are taught is that their is no such thing as not voting. Lets say for instance that I'm going to vote for Obama, but at some point he does something to offend me so I decide not to vote (in this situation I'm not going to vote for Romney due to political stance difference.) When I decide not to vote; Obama actually loses a vote and I ended up voting for Romney even thou I didn't vote at all. Thats why the political parties make a huge effort to get people out to vote, becuase if a person who has at least 1 issue they agree with their canidate on then they have a shot at an extra vote.
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10-08-12 05:31 PM
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RalphTheWonderLlama : My problem is that people just sit around complaining and don't take any action. If your life sucks and you don't even try to do anything to make it suck less, who are you complaining to? You might as well complain to yourself. The same goes for your government. Now obviously not everyone has the power to make direct change or run for an office or anything extreme like that... but that's why there's voting... but if you really don't like any of the candidates, find someone who you actually feel has your best interests at heart who is trying to get into politics and support their efforts (or if you're the kind of person who can, try and get an office yourself and work your way up).

And if none of these solutions are feasible, there's always the option to just move to another country where you don't feel all leadership options are doomed.

There's always things you can do (or at least attempt to do/work towards) rather than sitting around and complaining. I only acknowledge the complaints of those who made some sort of effort, but it didn't work out... because then at least you tried and couldn't do any better to improve your situation. The fault does not lie with you, but with someone or something else.

Oldschool41: Yes, that's actually kind of what I was saying and why people who don't vote shouldn't really be complaining when something like that happens. By not giving your support to person A, you're kinda giving it to person B by taking away a potential vote from person A.
RalphTheWonderLlama : My problem is that people just sit around complaining and don't take any action. If your life sucks and you don't even try to do anything to make it suck less, who are you complaining to? You might as well complain to yourself. The same goes for your government. Now obviously not everyone has the power to make direct change or run for an office or anything extreme like that... but that's why there's voting... but if you really don't like any of the candidates, find someone who you actually feel has your best interests at heart who is trying to get into politics and support their efforts (or if you're the kind of person who can, try and get an office yourself and work your way up).

And if none of these solutions are feasible, there's always the option to just move to another country where you don't feel all leadership options are doomed.

There's always things you can do (or at least attempt to do/work towards) rather than sitting around and complaining. I only acknowledge the complaints of those who made some sort of effort, but it didn't work out... because then at least you tried and couldn't do any better to improve your situation. The fault does not lie with you, but with someone or something else.

Oldschool41: Yes, that's actually kind of what I was saying and why people who don't vote shouldn't really be complaining when something like that happens. By not giving your support to person A, you're kinda giving it to person B by taking away a potential vote from person A.
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