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College, Is it really worth all the money?

 
Do you think college is worth the money we spend on it?
Yes, its for the bettermeant of our knowledge so money is no issue
 
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No, its overpriced and wastes more time and money then needed
 
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I think college really isn't worth all the cash we are paying towards our higher education. Though i understand it's to better ourselves but why do we continue to get classes that are unnecessary? It really wastes more time than the knowledge we gain from it. But that's just me being bias anyways what do you think about college?
I think college really isn't worth all the cash we are paying towards our higher education. Though i understand it's to better ourselves but why do we continue to get classes that are unnecessary? It really wastes more time than the knowledge we gain from it. But that's just me being bias anyways what do you think about college?
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I think College (University as its called in Australia) is worth it as long as the student is willing to make use of that education.

In Australia we have a system called HECS.
http://www.goingtouni.gov.au/Main/Quickfind/PayingForYourStudiesHELPLoans/HECSHELP.htm

That means, as that website explains, that the Government pays for all your higher education, and then when you have a stable job earning X amount a year then they you are expected to start repayments. Based on the figures listed here

More useful information here:
http://www.drh-careers.med.usyd.edu.au/university_info/docs/hecs.htm

So yeah, like i said, University is worth it as long as the student is willing to go all the way. They have to make something useful of them selves, and not just be another sponge with a degree.
I think College (University as its called in Australia) is worth it as long as the student is willing to make use of that education.

In Australia we have a system called HECS.
http://www.goingtouni.gov.au/Main/Quickfind/PayingForYourStudiesHELPLoans/HECSHELP.htm

That means, as that website explains, that the Government pays for all your higher education, and then when you have a stable job earning X amount a year then they you are expected to start repayments. Based on the figures listed here

More useful information here:
http://www.drh-careers.med.usyd.edu.au/university_info/docs/hecs.htm

So yeah, like i said, University is worth it as long as the student is willing to go all the way. They have to make something useful of them selves, and not just be another sponge with a degree.
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For the average person college will improve their lives. They will have access to better paying jobs than if they only had finished high school.

Of course this isn't always the case because you hear about people that drop out of high school and start their own business and become successful that way but those are the extreme cases. More often than not dropping out of high school means doing manual labor for the rest of your life and not getting paid well to do it. Or working some other bad paying retail job for a long time. I mean, do you really want to be in the management training program at walmart when you're 30?
For the average person college will improve their lives. They will have access to better paying jobs than if they only had finished high school.

Of course this isn't always the case because you hear about people that drop out of high school and start their own business and become successful that way but those are the extreme cases. More often than not dropping out of high school means doing manual labor for the rest of your life and not getting paid well to do it. Or working some other bad paying retail job for a long time. I mean, do you really want to be in the management training program at walmart when you're 30?
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The word is "betterment" not "better meant." Took me a while to figure out what you meant there, haha. I had to read it out loud.

College is definitely worth it if you don't waste your time there. I've wasted a lot of time and money, but a lot of people manage to avoid doing that. It's a fun experience, and really it's getting to a point in most white collar jobs where you really need more than just a bachelor's degree to go far. Many now want at least a master's for the higher-paid jobs.
The word is "betterment" not "better meant." Took me a while to figure out what you meant there, haha. I had to read it out loud.

College is definitely worth it if you don't waste your time there. I've wasted a lot of time and money, but a lot of people manage to avoid doing that. It's a fun experience, and really it's getting to a point in most white collar jobs where you really need more than just a bachelor's degree to go far. Many now want at least a master's for the higher-paid jobs.
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I would have to say no. College is not worth what we pay for it. I go to a community college because it's cheap. I pay $20.25/unit. So I pretty much pay anywhere between $40-$100 a class. This, I think is reasonable, considering the professors at my college are lame. I have had very few 'good' teachers. They are all highly intelligent: they just can't teach worth a s***.

Now, you go to a state university/college, and you will pay triple or even quadruple for the same thing. It's possible you get some better professors, but chances of that are slim. If you go to a trade school, You can pay up to $600/ a unit. Making a college education cost $30,000+.

Now, for the job you land afterwards... Can you pay off your debt within ten years? I doubt it.

Now, as for wasting our time with BS classes like public speaking... It drives me up the wall. I'm in the belief that college should be purely technical. Okay, so you want to be an English major? Not only do you have to take all the English classes, you have to take public speaking, science, foreign language, philosophy, social science, math, economics, etc.

If I want to be a nurse, I should be able to take a proficiency test, and upon passing, take the basics (anatomy and physiology and basic medical classes like medical terminology) and then the technical classes. I don't see how on earth I'm going to need public speaking or English composition. We've been supposedly preparing for college since we were in junior high school (since we were about 11 or 12!). Why do we need to take yet another repeat of every single class we took in high school.

Where the hell is the logic in this school of thinking?

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I would have to say no. College is not worth what we pay for it. I go to a community college because it's cheap. I pay $20.25/unit. So I pretty much pay anywhere between $40-$100 a class. This, I think is reasonable, considering the professors at my college are lame. I have had very few 'good' teachers. They are all highly intelligent: they just can't teach worth a s***.

Now, you go to a state university/college, and you will pay triple or even quadruple for the same thing. It's possible you get some better professors, but chances of that are slim. If you go to a trade school, You can pay up to $600/ a unit. Making a college education cost $30,000+.

Now, for the job you land afterwards... Can you pay off your debt within ten years? I doubt it.

Now, as for wasting our time with BS classes like public speaking... It drives me up the wall. I'm in the belief that college should be purely technical. Okay, so you want to be an English major? Not only do you have to take all the English classes, you have to take public speaking, science, foreign language, philosophy, social science, math, economics, etc.

If I want to be a nurse, I should be able to take a proficiency test, and upon passing, take the basics (anatomy and physiology and basic medical classes like medical terminology) and then the technical classes. I don't see how on earth I'm going to need public speaking or English composition. We've been supposedly preparing for college since we were in junior high school (since we were about 11 or 12!). Why do we need to take yet another repeat of every single class we took in high school.

Where the hell is the logic in this school of thinking?

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I think part of the reason they make you do that is so that you get a "well-rounded" education. I do agree though that there are some classes are useless. I do think that there is some good in forcing people to take classes in other fields I also feel like I would have liked to take a few extra in my field instead. I was an Accounting major and I would have rather taken some Finance or maybe something entrepreneur-ish instead of English or Social Science. But the whole "well-rounded" thing is the story that I've always been told as to why they do that.

well, 30,000 of debt over 10 years comes to only $250/month (not including interest).


Now, I see this as a sort of risk vs reward. For some people they're better off taking the best job they can find and working hard and getting promoted slowly through the company. Other people college is the best option because the hard work takes place in the class room and they get rewarded by walking into a higher paying job than the person that just started working.

I just see college as a good chance to make 50,000+ per year for the rest of your life or making 20-40k per year and never knowing if you'll get above that.

Although I do think there are quite a few useless degrees that have no place in higher education. What good does a philosphy, social science, music, dance, religious studies, etc do for the economy? Very very little. I'd much rather graduate people with degrees in science, economics, business, engineering etc who will actually help produce something of value. So much of the economy is invisible because so much happens that produces nothing more than a piece of paper saying one thing or another.

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I think part of the reason they make you do that is so that you get a "well-rounded" education. I do agree though that there are some classes are useless. I do think that there is some good in forcing people to take classes in other fields I also feel like I would have liked to take a few extra in my field instead. I was an Accounting major and I would have rather taken some Finance or maybe something entrepreneur-ish instead of English or Social Science. But the whole "well-rounded" thing is the story that I've always been told as to why they do that.

well, 30,000 of debt over 10 years comes to only $250/month (not including interest).


Now, I see this as a sort of risk vs reward. For some people they're better off taking the best job they can find and working hard and getting promoted slowly through the company. Other people college is the best option because the hard work takes place in the class room and they get rewarded by walking into a higher paying job than the person that just started working.

I just see college as a good chance to make 50,000+ per year for the rest of your life or making 20-40k per year and never knowing if you'll get above that.

Although I do think there are quite a few useless degrees that have no place in higher education. What good does a philosphy, social science, music, dance, religious studies, etc do for the economy? Very very little. I'd much rather graduate people with degrees in science, economics, business, engineering etc who will actually help produce something of value. So much of the economy is invisible because so much happens that produces nothing more than a piece of paper saying one thing or another.

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Originally posted by geeogree

well, 30,000 of debt over 10 years comes to only $250/month (not including interest).

I just see college as a good chance to make 50,000+ per year for the rest of your life or making 20-40k per year and never knowing if you'll get above that.



And what student loan doesn't have interest?

Who finds a $50k salary directly out of college? (Unless you're like an attorney or something similar). The average person with a bachelors degree earns $52,000 a year, meaning there are some who earn quite a bit less, and quite a bit more.

$50,000/year is a lot to live off of. Especially if you're married and your spouse brings in just as much.

With a mere associates degree in nursing, directly out of college, working 3, twelve hour shifts a week, I can earn up to $60,000 a year. A bachelor's degree will only get you maybe 1 or 2 extra dollars an hour. For two extra years of study at a university, at $100+ per unit... it's not really worth it.
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well, 30,000 of debt over 10 years comes to only $250/month (not including interest).

I just see college as a good chance to make 50,000+ per year for the rest of your life or making 20-40k per year and never knowing if you'll get above that.



And what student loan doesn't have interest?

Who finds a $50k salary directly out of college? (Unless you're like an attorney or something similar). The average person with a bachelors degree earns $52,000 a year, meaning there are some who earn quite a bit less, and quite a bit more.

$50,000/year is a lot to live off of. Especially if you're married and your spouse brings in just as much.

With a mere associates degree in nursing, directly out of college, working 3, twelve hour shifts a week, I can earn up to $60,000 a year. A bachelor's degree will only get you maybe 1 or 2 extra dollars an hour. For two extra years of study at a university, at $100+ per unit... it's not really worth it.
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College is obviously overpriced (though a lot of the money goes to necessities that you are provided with). But that doesn't mean that getting a higher education (from one) isn't worth it. If you want the edge over other people in the world, college is the right place. Someone who bothered to stay and graduate from college is far more likely to get a job than someone who didn't.

Now not many people will get a 50k job directly from college, but going to college will make you more likely to get that kind of money sooner
College is obviously overpriced (though a lot of the money goes to necessities that you are provided with). But that doesn't mean that getting a higher education (from one) isn't worth it. If you want the edge over other people in the world, college is the right place. Someone who bothered to stay and graduate from college is far more likely to get a job than someone who didn't.

Now not many people will get a 50k job directly from college, but going to college will make you more likely to get that kind of money sooner
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Now in mentioning how good University is, it isnt required for a good life. For example, in Woolworth's if you show promise they will pay for any and all training required for you to move up the chain. Now, this is handy espicially if you didnt complete all of High School. The average store manager will earn more than 100,000 a year. (What do you expect, on average every single store is a 22 Million dollar operation) And Woolworth's wouldnt want you to run off to Coles and get a bigger pay check. (Hence why Woolworth's is the highest paying retailer in all of Australia.)
Now in mentioning how good University is, it isnt required for a good life. For example, in Woolworth's if you show promise they will pay for any and all training required for you to move up the chain. Now, this is handy espicially if you didnt complete all of High School. The average store manager will earn more than 100,000 a year. (What do you expect, on average every single store is a 22 Million dollar operation) And Woolworth's wouldnt want you to run off to Coles and get a bigger pay check. (Hence why Woolworth's is the highest paying retailer in all of Australia.)
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I believe that we shouldn't have to take classes not revelant to our major. I'm hoping to either become a restaurant owner or a chef but yet i'm gonna have to take classes like English 101 or something along those lines. The thing that just doesn't make sense is, why learn MORE english to cook and/or own a small business? My friend goes to a technical college and is taking english and math classes yet is going to be a game developer when if he goes straight into a gaming college he cuts out all the useless classes[ the tech college gave him psychology too which doesn't make any sense]

I feel the colleges need to meet OUR demends more. We're there to learn about our major not psychology or how to write essays that we'll never use.


Also to icewave i would love to have some of the programs you guys have there. I mean we get scholarships here but most of them are crap. there are alot of state and a few federal. If i get a state then i HAVE to stay in my state or its nulled and to get a federal i would have to be a minority, good at a sport, or be very smart. But thats to name a few that could get me one. Course i don't know much about the scholarships i tend to not look into them so correct me if i am wrong
I believe that we shouldn't have to take classes not revelant to our major. I'm hoping to either become a restaurant owner or a chef but yet i'm gonna have to take classes like English 101 or something along those lines. The thing that just doesn't make sense is, why learn MORE english to cook and/or own a small business? My friend goes to a technical college and is taking english and math classes yet is going to be a game developer when if he goes straight into a gaming college he cuts out all the useless classes[ the tech college gave him psychology too which doesn't make any sense]

I feel the colleges need to meet OUR demends more. We're there to learn about our major not psychology or how to write essays that we'll never use.


Also to icewave i would love to have some of the programs you guys have there. I mean we get scholarships here but most of them are crap. there are alot of state and a few federal. If i get a state then i HAVE to stay in my state or its nulled and to get a federal i would have to be a minority, good at a sport, or be very smart. But thats to name a few that could get me one. Course i don't know much about the scholarships i tend to not look into them so correct me if i am wrong
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OMG I hate my psychology class lol. I'd say over 50% of college is a waste of money because they force you to take classes that are either useless or are not interesting. Also do NOT get a diploma (1 year degree thing) because me and David both got that together. He got a job but I didnt lol. Long story short, the school admitted it was a useless degree and I wouldn't be able to get a job with it. So right there I got $20,000 in dept for what???? Now I'm back in school again getting a 4 year degree in programming.
OMG I hate my psychology class lol. I'd say over 50% of college is a waste of money because they force you to take classes that are either useless or are not interesting. Also do NOT get a diploma (1 year degree thing) because me and David both got that together. He got a job but I didnt lol. Long story short, the school admitted it was a useless degree and I wouldn't be able to get a job with it. So right there I got $20,000 in dept for what???? Now I'm back in school again getting a 4 year degree in programming.
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yes but im planning to go to university when im ready to
yes but im planning to go to university when im ready to
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I say it is but that is probably because I've had a good experience. At both my junior college and state university level I have had, for the most part, amazing teachers that make classes fun. Even in my general education classes I learned WAY more than I did in high school not only because it was a better school but because college professors are more knowledgeable in their fields, can answer more questions, and are not limited by the school as much as the high school and grade schools are in terms of curriculum.

Now, granted, California has insane tuition costs that can make many, such as Belial, feel that it is not worth it. Personally, I blame the state legislature for being so ready to cut our education funding at the drop of a hat *shakes fist at the Governator*

In many cases the higher degrees are worth it. To be a high school teacher you need to have a minimum bachelor's degree in the subject you are teaching on top of a credential and that is so you can be an effective teacher. A lot of my bad teachers at the high school level got their degrees before that requirement came in, so everyone had a psychology degree and were teaching things like chemistry or English. Why do they make you take English composition in college? Because in high school they did not require you to write at a professional level, at least not until the last half of senior year, and they don't have the time to teach people how to do that. On top of it all, it seems that in high school people do not pay attention to anything, so they have to take the GE classes over again to make sure they got the information they were supposed to get in high school since they assume that if you are bothering to pay to take classes that you actually give a damn about your education as opposed to many teenagers who see mandatory secondary education as a place to goof off and find a date for Friday night.

Personally, it looks like I am going to be paying a lot more for my education. I am nearly done with my BA in History at Cal State Long Beach and I plan to take classes to get both an MAT and credential at the University of Pittsburgh after that. It's a one year course, and out of state student fees are insane (which I think kinda suck), but it is a one year graduate level course that will not only bump my paygrade several thousand dollars but also allow me to teach at the college level as well as high school. And yes, I think, given Pennsylvania's reputation when it comes to education, that it will be worth every penny I spend on it. Most of it will be paid through financial aid more than likely, but I am certain that I will be spending out of pocket as well.
I say it is but that is probably because I've had a good experience. At both my junior college and state university level I have had, for the most part, amazing teachers that make classes fun. Even in my general education classes I learned WAY more than I did in high school not only because it was a better school but because college professors are more knowledgeable in their fields, can answer more questions, and are not limited by the school as much as the high school and grade schools are in terms of curriculum.

Now, granted, California has insane tuition costs that can make many, such as Belial, feel that it is not worth it. Personally, I blame the state legislature for being so ready to cut our education funding at the drop of a hat *shakes fist at the Governator*

In many cases the higher degrees are worth it. To be a high school teacher you need to have a minimum bachelor's degree in the subject you are teaching on top of a credential and that is so you can be an effective teacher. A lot of my bad teachers at the high school level got their degrees before that requirement came in, so everyone had a psychology degree and were teaching things like chemistry or English. Why do they make you take English composition in college? Because in high school they did not require you to write at a professional level, at least not until the last half of senior year, and they don't have the time to teach people how to do that. On top of it all, it seems that in high school people do not pay attention to anything, so they have to take the GE classes over again to make sure they got the information they were supposed to get in high school since they assume that if you are bothering to pay to take classes that you actually give a damn about your education as opposed to many teenagers who see mandatory secondary education as a place to goof off and find a date for Friday night.

Personally, it looks like I am going to be paying a lot more for my education. I am nearly done with my BA in History at Cal State Long Beach and I plan to take classes to get both an MAT and credential at the University of Pittsburgh after that. It's a one year course, and out of state student fees are insane (which I think kinda suck), but it is a one year graduate level course that will not only bump my paygrade several thousand dollars but also allow me to teach at the college level as well as high school. And yes, I think, given Pennsylvania's reputation when it comes to education, that it will be worth every penny I spend on it. Most of it will be paid through financial aid more than likely, but I am certain that I will be spending out of pocket as well.
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College is worth it in England, it's free, i love the government and the way how they pay for so much
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ewww free? Really?

I think that is a terrible idea. Higher education should not be free... I honestly think nothing in life should be free of cost.

I would be interested to see the drop out rates from England compared to the US and other countries and see if there is any correlation between cost and drop outs. Or even to grades. I just imagine for myself that I would not have gone nearly as often if the whole thing was paid for by someone else. I probably missed a dozen classes from illness in my entire 4 years of University. Sure I was sick more often than that but I had spent thousands of dollars to attend and I was not going to let anything get in the way of that.

Maybe that's why I wonder if having it paid for by taxpayers would make the people attending appreciate the opportunity less.

And Joe, the government doesn't pay for it, the taxpayers do. The government -can't- pay for anything without the taxpayers.... anything that is subsidized by the government is actually subsidized by you and all the other taxpayers in the country. So it's not actually "Free". Just have to throw that in there.
ewww free? Really?

I think that is a terrible idea. Higher education should not be free... I honestly think nothing in life should be free of cost.

I would be interested to see the drop out rates from England compared to the US and other countries and see if there is any correlation between cost and drop outs. Or even to grades. I just imagine for myself that I would not have gone nearly as often if the whole thing was paid for by someone else. I probably missed a dozen classes from illness in my entire 4 years of University. Sure I was sick more often than that but I had spent thousands of dollars to attend and I was not going to let anything get in the way of that.

Maybe that's why I wonder if having it paid for by taxpayers would make the people attending appreciate the opportunity less.

And Joe, the government doesn't pay for it, the taxpayers do. The government -can't- pay for anything without the taxpayers.... anything that is subsidized by the government is actually subsidized by you and all the other taxpayers in the country. So it's not actually "Free". Just have to throw that in there.
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03-08-09 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by Heyjohnboy
I think college really isn't worth all the cash we are paying towards our higher education. Though i understand it's to better ourselves but why do we continue to get classes that are unnecessary? It really wastes more time than the knowledge we gain from it. But that's just me being bias anyways what do you think about college?


I believe some courses you take are to just waste money, but some are important.
Originally posted by Heyjohnboy
I think college really isn't worth all the cash we are paying towards our higher education. Though i understand it's to better ourselves but why do we continue to get classes that are unnecessary? It really wastes more time than the knowledge we gain from it. But that's just me being bias anyways what do you think about college?


I believe some courses you take are to just waste money, but some are important.
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03-08-09 01:54 AM
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I started going to a local liberal arts university here in Canada right out of school (well kind of, paperwork messed up and I had to start in Winter semester) but either way, it was January 2007 when I first got underway with all of it.

I wanted to go for journalism, and I had an underlying belief that to be ANYBODY you had to go to a university. Well, time rolled on and I decided that I didn't exactly want to do that, so I looked at my electives and my own interested and decided that I would go for History and become a professor or teacher with that... every week though it seemed to feel less and less like somewhere that I wanted to be. It was only a few weeks ago that I grew sick of it and really thought it all over.

I came to the conclusion that I had a pre-determined notion that university was the only way to go, and when I lost my passion I should have stopped right there and then. Instead I find myself having gone for two years (and a half) with little to show for it. I recently found a program at a local college that has to do with computers... I am nearly always on these damn things and in my spare time I build, mess around with and take apart this one in my room.. not to mention that when I solve a problem with my computer I feel a great sense of accomplishment. The program is excellent and I'll be done in just over a year with guaranteed job placement... I feel more positive than I have in a long, long time... and I'll be paying less. It's just a shame that I have wasted money on loans already.
I started going to a local liberal arts university here in Canada right out of school (well kind of, paperwork messed up and I had to start in Winter semester) but either way, it was January 2007 when I first got underway with all of it.

I wanted to go for journalism, and I had an underlying belief that to be ANYBODY you had to go to a university. Well, time rolled on and I decided that I didn't exactly want to do that, so I looked at my electives and my own interested and decided that I would go for History and become a professor or teacher with that... every week though it seemed to feel less and less like somewhere that I wanted to be. It was only a few weeks ago that I grew sick of it and really thought it all over.

I came to the conclusion that I had a pre-determined notion that university was the only way to go, and when I lost my passion I should have stopped right there and then. Instead I find myself having gone for two years (and a half) with little to show for it. I recently found a program at a local college that has to do with computers... I am nearly always on these damn things and in my spare time I build, mess around with and take apart this one in my room.. not to mention that when I solve a problem with my computer I feel a great sense of accomplishment. The program is excellent and I'll be done in just over a year with guaranteed job placement... I feel more positive than I have in a long, long time... and I'll be paying less. It's just a shame that I have wasted money on loans already.
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So... you'd say it is worth it then?
So... you'd say it is worth it then?
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Me, personally? I think university (as in, campus with dormitories, facilities, etc) is highly, highly overrated in some cases. There are some excellent schools out there, but there are also times where a person could go to a local college and get the same if not better education. Now, some professions are obviously going to require a university degree... however I think it's been pushed onto most of the general populace that it is important to go to a major school for four years OR YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.

...but the school will also stay in business. A lot of it is a money grab, I've come to learn that for sure.
Me, personally? I think university (as in, campus with dormitories, facilities, etc) is highly, highly overrated in some cases. There are some excellent schools out there, but there are also times where a person could go to a local college and get the same if not better education. Now, some professions are obviously going to require a university degree... however I think it's been pushed onto most of the general populace that it is important to go to a major school for four years OR YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.

...but the school will also stay in business. A lot of it is a money grab, I've come to learn that for sure.
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I beleive the cost and the return for colledge is acceptable. That is you can better you're self. Get a higher paying job. And if you are lucky get into a job that you will actually like to go to. Wouldn't that be just special. lol And i don't know about you but i like being able to look foward to going to work. Instead of looking at it as if it were a chore.
I beleive the cost and the return for colledge is acceptable. That is you can better you're self. Get a higher paying job. And if you are lucky get into a job that you will actually like to go to. Wouldn't that be just special. lol And i don't know about you but i like being able to look foward to going to work. Instead of looking at it as if it were a chore.
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