By popular demand, here is the first debate thread in which any mention of religion is strictly prohibited! Lets see whose argument prevails.

Gay marriage. Yes or no and why. No religion. Aaaaand...go!

I support gay marriage because of the benefits of marriage it provides to couples who otherwise have all the other characteristics of a married couple. For instance, one member of a homosexual partnership is badly wounded in a car accident. In this circumstance of dire injury, only a spouse or family members are allowed to visit him/her. A.k.a., if the gay couple are not married, the non-injured partner cannot visit his/her lover on his/her deathbed.

I'm gonna mostly use what I said on the old board...
I don't approve of Gay Marriage.



I'll argue this conversation without the Bible.

Why do we accept homosexuality now days? Never has homosexuality ever been so accepted in society. People are changing as time goes on, but is change always a good thing? No, it deffinately isn't.

We all view beastiality as a discusting thing (human + animal sex), we all think that is just entirely disturbing. We also think that a brother and a sister having sex is purely wrong. That's how people viewed homosexuality many many years ago. 100+ years ago, they would have never imagined homosexuality would be accepted as it is in our society. Eventually incest, multiple wives, beastiality and all the other horrible things will be accepted. Where do we draw the line? We can't let society and the media define what's normal, what's right, and what's wrong.

WE have to make the judgement for ourselves. All of you who accept homosexuality, YOU have been influenced by modern day society, and YOU are just followers of what is fed to you.

Every horrible thing that is accepted only leads to the acceptance of other horrible things.

Just an added note, I DO NOT HATE HOMOSEXUALS...I hate their sin, NOT the person.

For the record, incest, beastiality, multiple wives, and homosexuality are all different things, and thus should be treated separately. Those who want to have sexual intercourse with an animal need mental help, and that is not a joke. Having sex with another species doesn't need to happen. You don't see a dog wanting to go at it with a cat, do you?

Multiple wives is a concept of the Mormon religion. It's accepted in their own beliefs and such.

Incest is just kind of weird, but after reading Angel Sanctuary, you just have to accept two people love each other regardless. The same goes with homosexuality. You can't tell a person who to love, regardless of gender. Two men or women are attracted to each other, just as you, David, are attracted to your girl friend, and I to my boyfriend. It's not only because they want to do heinous acts with each other. They want the same rights as a man-woman marriage. How is that wrong? Others' beliefs shouldn't dictate how another feels, thinks, lives, and believes.

I am -not- inflicted by society for my beliefs. Just about all of my family is against the homosexual marriages. Many of my friends are homosexual. To see that they love another is a happy sight. They resemble any ordinary loving couple, only they happen to be of the same gender. They put off that same loving vibe.

I believe that even if you don't like the idea of homosexuality, you should live you life, and let others live theirs.

I completely support gay marriage for the simple fact they're US citizens too, they should have the same rights as every other person. Reguardless.
They're not forcing their lifestyle on anyone, they're just trying to live their life with someone they love very much.
I say if you want to ban something, start with hand guns.

Who is honestly getting hurt by gay marriage? No one.

Originally posted by Jin

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I completely support gay marriage for the simple fact they're US citizens too, they should have the same rights as every other person. Reguardless.
They're not forcing their lifestyle on anyone, they're just trying to live their life with someone they love very much.
I say if you want to ban something, start with hand guns.

Who is honestly getting hurt by gay marriage? No one.

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Do you think a Man and his Daughter deserve the right to get marriade if they are both deeply in love?

Homosexuality and incest are utterly different, I'm pretty sick of those comparisons.

A person cannot control their sexuality, a man can choose not to touch his daughter.

Originally posted by Jin

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a man can choose not to touch his daughter.

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If that's the case, than a man can choose not to touch another man.

Originally posted by Jin

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A person cannot control their sexuality,

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So if a man has the sexuality and desire to have sex with an animal, he can't control it?

Since it hasn't been accepted by now, there is no point because it will never be accepted.

Scientific data has been compiled to support that a man or woman is born to be a homosexual or bisexual.

There is none that I am aware of that supports that a person is born to want to have sex with animals.

EDIT: Grammar fix.
EDIT: Links!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/13/wgay13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/10/13/ixworld.html
http://www.drthrockmorton.com/ithinkimgay.html

All in all, What to adults do in their own time if they're both willing, is none of our business and should be allowed to marry.

People that are homosexual have a genetic flaw. It can be cured with time and the right treatment, just like other mental problems.

It's not a problem, it's not a flaw. It's human sexuality we develop at birth. That's like saying "oh, straight people are messed up. they can have that fixed over time."

Our government should have NO right to exclude a huge part of the united states when two adult people of the same sex want to get married.

Of course given they're not related (even though first cousins are allowed to be married in certain states...)

http://www.geocities.com/cfsh1/3.html


I want you to skim thru that article Jin, and anyone else who thinks it's a cool thing to be gay.

Yes because a geocities website run by someone who hates homosexuals is far more trusting than medical journals.

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Here are some links YOU should look at.

http://www.lesbian.org/amy/essays/queer-choice.html
http://www.dailyorange.com/news/2004/02/09/Opinion/Homosexuality.Not.A.Choice-601361.shtml
http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html

A peice from that article...


"As to the question of whether homosexuals are born that way:

First of all, from the perspective of morality it is not a relevant question. Wrongful behavior, like stealing or bullying or whatever, is wrongful behavior, no matter if we have an inborn desire to steal or bully or engage in homosexual activity.

Second, currently there is no solid evidence that anyone is born homosexual. This fact was even noted in a November 2003 column in the very pro-homosexual Chicago Tribune newspaper.18 Indeed, there is more evidence that homosexuals are born heterosexual than there is evidence that they are born homosexual. We'll talk about that shortly. Right now, the consensus of most experts is that sexual orientations are too complicated to be caused by genes only; they appear to result from a combination of biological and environmental factors. (And if homosexual genes ever really existed in humans in the past, it seems logical to conclude that they would have died out a long time ago since homosexuals tend to NOT reproduce.)

Third, we do know that many homosexuals were sexually abused when young.19 (Homosexuals do not want you to know that fact because people who were sexually abused often go on to sexually abuse others. Homosexuals do not want you to know that they are more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexuals are.20) We also know that many homosexuals came out of dysfunctional families. (Many homosexuals understandably have psychological problems because of their troubled pasts.)

As to whether or not homosexuality itself is a mental illness, from the perspective of morality it is not a relevant question. For example, rape and murder are immoral and intolerable whether or not the perpetrators are sick. So, we'll leave that question to the psychiatrists and psychologists. (We would urge, however, that psychiatrists and psychologists look into the probability, based on testimony provided by homosexuals themselves, that many homosexuals are heterophobic. For example, the homosexual author Dennis Altman admitted that many homosexuals are afraid to let themselves feel close to members of the opposite sex. His exact words: "Undoubtedly for many homosexuals there is something threatening in the idea of intimacy with the other sex."21 And well-known homosexual, David Geffen, has acknowledged that he "was afraid of the opposite sex,"22 according to biographer Tom King, a fellow homosexual.)

While leaving the question of whether homosexuality is a mental illness or not to psychiatrists and psychologists, let us consider this though: Taking into account all the solid scientific evidence that homosexuals are mentally disturbed to one degree or another because of sexual abuse or dysfunctional parents or whatever, we can say that there is solid scientific evidence that homosexuality should not have been removed from the officially approved list of mental illnesses. The psychiatrists and psychologists who voted to remove it seem to be incompetent malpractitioners more interested in being politically correct than in the truth. Malpractitioning doctors should have their licenses to ply their professions revoked."

There is more evidence to say yes, people are born homosexuals than there are to say it's a choice.

I didn't CHOOSE to be attracted to males, I just am.

That's just the way I am, but that's not even the point of this debate. It's SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO BE MARRIED?

I see absolutely no valid reason to prevent homosexuals to be married at all.

Here we will play a little bit from your evolution theory game

The only reason we were put on this earth is to reproduce. To continue the species.

There we are shut down by your own damn theories. You will try to come back and poke holes in this. I know you will. But you can't so i win. Te he!

*skips away into the sunset*

How many times must I post this? I don't believe in evolution.

Well most hardcore non god believing liberals do. I wasn't naming any names.

I'm not even a hardcore liberal, I just believe in leaving people alone. But I have some conservative views on things like abortion.

Originally posted by Jin

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I'm not even a hardcore liberal, I just believe in leaving people alone. But I have some conservative views on things like abortion.

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Abortion is way worse than being gay, so I give you 2 thumbs up for the view