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Subject: Europe- Appeasement Commentary
Strong words from Germany Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:22:01 -0400 Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publishing house Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT (The World), Germany's largest daily newspaper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat. EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG) A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in WELT AM SONNTAG (Sunday World): "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true. Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements. Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for decades, inhuman, suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities. Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us. Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians. Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt UN. Oil-for-Food program. And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement... How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany. I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists. One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolf Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in our time". What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction. It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness. Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed. (Joan bolded this!) In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China. On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass. For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything. While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive". These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house. Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice. Edit: Removed Layout Strong words from Germany Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:22:01 -0400 Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publishing house Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT (The World), Germany's largest daily newspaper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat. EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG) A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in WELT AM SONNTAG (Sunday World): "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true. Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements. Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for decades, inhuman, suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities. Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us. Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians. Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt UN. Oil-for-Food program. And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement... How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany. I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists. One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolf Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in our time". What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction. It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness. Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed. (Joan bolded this!) In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China. On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass. For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything. While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive". These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house. Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice. Edit: Removed Layout |
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Made me cry...
Tony Blair knows what up anyways. I'm glad to see there are some people in Europe that have some sense in them. Tony Blair knows what up anyways. I'm glad to see there are some people in Europe that have some sense in them. |
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Finally someone frikin read it. I was amazed cuz noone would read it cuz it appears too longs... but its acctually kinda short. Yea, this was a really good article. |
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Well actually I skimmed throught the first half... And just read the last 4 paragraphs lol. I got the point anyways. I don't think this is the majority view in Europe. Even though I'd say that the American press makes it look like everyone hates us everywhere because we are all so frickin dumb. |
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Yea, your running in circles from 9-5 and from 5-9 the media owns you. They tell you what they want you to hear, and you consider it the truth. Nobody is opening their eyes here........*rambles on with his little quote rant* |
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Wow. I just read the whole thing, and...I...wow. Yikes.
I'm surprised, actually. I also thought there were too few American supporters overseas. My fault for watching television and reading the newspaper, I suppose. But MAN! It was refreshing and pleasing to read that article. I'm glad that at least there's SOMEONE out there who thinks of our nation as more than fat oil-grubbing scumbags. I'm surprised, actually. I also thought there were too few American supporters overseas. My fault for watching television and reading the newspaper, I suppose. But MAN! It was refreshing and pleasing to read that article. I'm glad that at least there's SOMEONE out there who thinks of our nation as more than fat oil-grubbing scumbags. |
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What the **** do they mean with cowardice?! ><
And from where do americans get the impression that they are so much better than everyone else!!? Sorry, had to get that out. And from where do americans get the impression that they are so much better than everyone else!!? Sorry, had to get that out. |
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If you are saying that we think we are better than everyone because of that article, you can't really do that, a German wrote that not an American.
Also many people think that their ideas are best. The English think that tea must be served hot and to serve it cold is like you are killing it. And the French cannot stand for you to butcher their language. And not all American's think they are better than everyone else, so don't group everyone together. Also many people think that their ideas are best. The English think that tea must be served hot and to serve it cold is like you are killing it. And the French cannot stand for you to butcher their language. And not all American's think they are better than everyone else, so don't group everyone together. |
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It wasn't the article, there are alot of minor things, but here's an example:
"But MAN! It was refreshing and pleasing to read that article. I'm glad that at least there's SOMEONE out there who thinks of our nation as more than fat oil-grubbing scumbags." (Stoney, above) I completely understand what Stoney means, as here in Europe, for example, americans are often pictured as, yes, fat oil-grubbing scumbags. I know this is wrong, and many good friends of mine are american. But to the point. Exactly what do americans think of europeans then? I remember things like "Europe is a waste of space" or something... "But MAN! It was refreshing and pleasing to read that article. I'm glad that at least there's SOMEONE out there who thinks of our nation as more than fat oil-grubbing scumbags." (Stoney, above) I completely understand what Stoney means, as here in Europe, for example, americans are often pictured as, yes, fat oil-grubbing scumbags. I know this is wrong, and many good friends of mine are american. But to the point. Exactly what do americans think of europeans then? I remember things like "Europe is a waste of space" or something... |
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Really I think the French are the only ones most Americans would think less of (except for the people that think less of every other country, which I would guess there are people like that in most countries). I don't really know of any other nations in Europe that we have a negative view of.
Oh yeah BX98 just don't start spelling words weird like "colour" instead of color. lol just kidding. Oh yeah BX98 just don't start spelling words weird like "colour" instead of color. lol just kidding. |
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Hehe, that's the "english english" way, right? |
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Yeah that's the "English English" way. I was going to say not to come over here and start asking for cigarettes using the "English English" term as well. Most Americans would look at you really funny.
But like I say I can't think of any European nations Americans think less of (except France). I remember the exchange student we had from Norway during my junior year of HS. She was pretty cool. I really think the view that we think we are better than other people is blown out of proportion. I mean I'm proud to be an American, but I'm not going to go out and say I'm better than somebody else just because of where I'm from. But like I say I can't think of any European nations Americans think less of (except France). I remember the exchange student we had from Norway during my junior year of HS. She was pretty cool. I really think the view that we think we are better than other people is blown out of proportion. I mean I'm proud to be an American, but I'm not going to go out and say I'm better than somebody else just because of where I'm from. |
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We don't think we are better. I think we think our country is better. Those of us who have PRIDE and RESPECT for our country. Those who are PATRIOTIC. We don't think we are better. We think our counry is better. How can you not? Built on christianity. |
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I think it's ok to say that you're good, but not to say others are bad. But now I know you don't think others are bad (except France), so it's sorta ok then. ![]() ![]() |
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"Arms keep peace"
"Let them hate us, as long as they fear us" "Great empires are not maintained by timidity" "If a man does not strike first, he will be struck" "We should provide in peace, what we need in war" Those are some ancient philosophical statements, that hold true today. "Let them hate us, as long as they fear us" "Great empires are not maintained by timidity" "If a man does not strike first, he will be struck" "We should provide in peace, what we need in war" Those are some ancient philosophical statements, that hold true today. |
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