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"Cry Havok"
07-10-05 11:28 AM
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Cry Havoc!
On July 7, 2005, terrorists attacked Great Britain's capital city, killing dozens of people and injuring hundreds more. Targeting London's mass transit system, the cowardly barbarians known as Al-Qaeda bombed tube trains and a double-decker bus in four locations around the city. The attacks took place over the course of about an hour's time, beginning at 8:51 am between Aldgate East and Liverpool Street stations, and ending at 9:47 am at Tavistock Place. Soon after reading about the bombings on an internet AP site, I turned on my radio to listen for further updates about the atrocities. Within minutes of tuning into one of my favorite talk radio shows, I heard a liberal caller to the program state that we have to try and better understand what Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups are all about, and what they want, if we're ever going to stop such attacks from happening in the future. Of course, when questioned as to why he felt that way, he had no answer. This didn't surprise me at all, since there is no good reason for us to waste our time trying to understand what motivates mass murdering Islamo-fascists. All we need to know about these parasites is that they are hateful extremists from backward countries that refuse to enter the 21st century... or even the 16th century, for that matter. Attempting to understand more than that makes no sense whatsoever, because even if we could ascertain exactly what it is people like Osama Bin Laden require of us before they'll stop slaughtering innocent people, that knowledge would only be useful to us if we were willing to change who we are in order to appease them. Of course, liberals seem to think that appeasing them is exactly what we should be doing. Why, if the United States could only be more like Spain, which immediately replaced its government with a communist regime following the terrorist attacks on Madrid in 2004, and then proceeded to pull its troops out of Iraq, things would be so much better than they are today. After all, it's our presence in Iraq which is really getting under the skin of international terrorists these days. We need to just get out of there! Ok then, let's take a quick look at that philosophical approach to ending terrorism. In the first place, if we did decide to abandon everything that our military men and women have fought for since the Iraq War began, humiliating each and every one them in the process, and throwing the people of that country to the wolves, what would stop Al-Qaeda from making even greater demands on us after that? I mean, we weren't even in Iraq when they attacked our cities on 9/11, so that clearly won't be a grand enough gesture of appeasement. Let's see, we were supporting Israel before September of 2001, so I guess the next thing we'd have to do is turn our backs on what was the only democratic free state in the Middle East, prior to Iraq and Afghanistan being liberated. And speaking of the Afghan people, we'd also have to hand control of their country back to the Taliban, since they're all good friends of Osama, and of course, we'd need to refrain from lending future support to any pro-liberty movement in the region, like the one currently developing in Lebanon. And still, even if we retreat entirely from the Middle East, it is unlikely that Al-Qaeda will be satisfied. At the end of the day, we'll still be a predominantly Christian nation, with a democratic system of governance, and an economy based on capitalist principles. All that would simply have to change, since exhibiting the sort of independence that Americans are known for is truly arrogant, and unforgivably wicked in the eyes of Allah. Do you see where I'm going with all this? While I'm sure that most of you liberals out there still have no idea what I'm trying to say, I pray to God that the good people of England are able to grasp the point I'm making here. Our goal in fighting the war on terror is not to make our enemies like us. Perhaps one day their children or grandchildren will learn to accept the ideas of liberty and respect for other cultures, but the scumbags we face today will never be dissuaded from hating us and everything we stand for, no matter what we do. Our aim, like the aim of our ancestors who faced down the menace of Nazism a half century ago, is to wipe our enemies off the face of the earth... PERIOD "Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more," proclaimed General George S. Patton, and in my opinion he could not have been more right. The theory of appeasing the enemies of our liberty is as dead as an Al-Qaeda suicide bomber. Trying to cut deals with individuals like Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi has never, and will never secure our freedoms. The only thing these monsters understand is relentless brute force, and it's about time the free nations of the world stopped bickering with one another like a bunch of spoiled school children and started working together to preserve our way of life! Like most of my fellow Americans, I have faith in the British people, and I'm confident that they will respond appropriately to the vicious and unprovoked attacks upon their country this week. That response should be to praise the courageous policies of their forward-thinking leader, Tony Blair, and to reaffirm their commitment to achieving victory against terrorists everywhere. To do otherwise would be to exhibit weakness in the face of the worst kind of tyranny known to mankind. The world now looks to the citizens of Britain to show them how truly brave people deal with the adversities of war, and I pray they do not fail in that crucial task. In the words of the greatest writer to ever hold a pen, "cry HAVOC, and let slip the dogs of war, so that this terrible action will smell above the earth, with rotting corpses, begging to be buried." William Shakespeare understood that meting out justice is often a bloody affair, and his words should serve to remind us of that fact and spur us on as we contemplate the actions we'll need to take in the future. On July 7, 2005, terrorists attacked Great Britain's capital city, killing dozens of people and injuring hundreds more. Targeting London's mass transit system, the cowardly barbarians known as Al-Qaeda bombed tube trains and a double-decker bus in four locations around the city. The attacks took place over the course of about an hour's time, beginning at 8:51 am between Aldgate East and Liverpool Street stations, and ending at 9:47 am at Tavistock Place. Soon after reading about the bombings on an internet AP site, I turned on my radio to listen for further updates about the atrocities. Within minutes of tuning into one of my favorite talk radio shows, I heard a liberal caller to the program state that we have to try and better understand what Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups are all about, and what they want, if we're ever going to stop such attacks from happening in the future. Of course, when questioned as to why he felt that way, he had no answer. This didn't surprise me at all, since there is no good reason for us to waste our time trying to understand what motivates mass murdering Islamo-fascists. All we need to know about these parasites is that they are hateful extremists from backward countries that refuse to enter the 21st century... or even the 16th century, for that matter. Attempting to understand more than that makes no sense whatsoever, because even if we could ascertain exactly what it is people like Osama Bin Laden require of us before they'll stop slaughtering innocent people, that knowledge would only be useful to us if we were willing to change who we are in order to appease them. Of course, liberals seem to think that appeasing them is exactly what we should be doing. Why, if the United States could only be more like Spain, which immediately replaced its government with a communist regime following the terrorist attacks on Madrid in 2004, and then proceeded to pull its troops out of Iraq, things would be so much better than they are today. After all, it's our presence in Iraq which is really getting under the skin of international terrorists these days. We need to just get out of there! Ok then, let's take a quick look at that philosophical approach to ending terrorism. In the first place, if we did decide to abandon everything that our military men and women have fought for since the Iraq War began, humiliating each and every one them in the process, and throwing the people of that country to the wolves, what would stop Al-Qaeda from making even greater demands on us after that? I mean, we weren't even in Iraq when they attacked our cities on 9/11, so that clearly won't be a grand enough gesture of appeasement. Let's see, we were supporting Israel before September of 2001, so I guess the next thing we'd have to do is turn our backs on what was the only democratic free state in the Middle East, prior to Iraq and Afghanistan being liberated. And speaking of the Afghan people, we'd also have to hand control of their country back to the Taliban, since they're all good friends of Osama, and of course, we'd need to refrain from lending future support to any pro-liberty movement in the region, like the one currently developing in Lebanon. And still, even if we retreat entirely from the Middle East, it is unlikely that Al-Qaeda will be satisfied. At the end of the day, we'll still be a predominantly Christian nation, with a democratic system of governance, and an economy based on capitalist principles. All that would simply have to change, since exhibiting the sort of independence that Americans are known for is truly arrogant, and unforgivably wicked in the eyes of Allah. Do you see where I'm going with all this? While I'm sure that most of you liberals out there still have no idea what I'm trying to say, I pray to God that the good people of England are able to grasp the point I'm making here. Our goal in fighting the war on terror is not to make our enemies like us. Perhaps one day their children or grandchildren will learn to accept the ideas of liberty and respect for other cultures, but the scumbags we face today will never be dissuaded from hating us and everything we stand for, no matter what we do. Our aim, like the aim of our ancestors who faced down the menace of Nazism a half century ago, is to wipe our enemies off the face of the earth... PERIOD "Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more," proclaimed General George S. Patton, and in my opinion he could not have been more right. The theory of appeasing the enemies of our liberty is as dead as an Al-Qaeda suicide bomber. Trying to cut deals with individuals like Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi has never, and will never secure our freedoms. The only thing these monsters understand is relentless brute force, and it's about time the free nations of the world stopped bickering with one another like a bunch of spoiled school children and started working together to preserve our way of life! Like most of my fellow Americans, I have faith in the British people, and I'm confident that they will respond appropriately to the vicious and unprovoked attacks upon their country this week. That response should be to praise the courageous policies of their forward-thinking leader, Tony Blair, and to reaffirm their commitment to achieving victory against terrorists everywhere. To do otherwise would be to exhibit weakness in the face of the worst kind of tyranny known to mankind. The world now looks to the citizens of Britain to show them how truly brave people deal with the adversities of war, and I pray they do not fail in that crucial task. In the words of the greatest writer to ever hold a pen, "cry HAVOC, and let slip the dogs of war, so that this terrible action will smell above the earth, with rotting corpses, begging to be buried." William Shakespeare understood that meting out justice is often a bloody affair, and his words should serve to remind us of that fact and spur us on as we contemplate the actions we'll need to take in the future. |
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Hail Casear!!!!!!!!!!!!! excellent post.... geeo for post president? excellent post.... geeo for post president? |
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not my post... but thanks anyway ![]() ![]() |
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I know it wasn't yours... and i quote "Like most of my fellow Americans..." lol, your canadian. but it was your idea to post it so i give you credit. What idislike is when somebody puts up a really good post and nobody cares to oppose it or even read it.... "Like most of my fellow Americans..." lol, your canadian. but it was your idea to post it so i give you credit. What idislike is when somebody puts up a really good post and nobody cares to oppose it or even read it.... |
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fair enough....
i'm sure someone at Acmlm's will argue with me ![]() but yeah.... gotta love when I find something worth posting ![]() i'm sure someone at Acmlm's will argue with me ![]() but yeah.... gotta love when I find something worth posting ![]() |
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Like I said on XGF, this actually disgusts me. In times like this the political parties should be banding together to fight a common enemy, not using tragedy like this to fight amongst each other. How can we fight the terrorists when our political leaders are too busy fighting each other?
My mother made a comment about nuking almost the entire Middle East to kill the terrorists. She can't seem to differentiate between the terrorists and the Muslim people... nor Moslims from Arabs (not all are Arab you know). When I pointed out to her that it was stupid to say such things she said we should drop a s*** load of bombs in those areas instead and close off all our borders to everyone and kick out all the Arab Moslims. (reminded me very much of what was done to the Japanese in WWII). Oh... and she's a die-hard Democrat by the way, but almost everything she said doesn't sound like the "liberals" that you describe. Hence why I say Democrats and Republicans are idiots. My mother made a comment about nuking almost the entire Middle East to kill the terrorists. She can't seem to differentiate between the terrorists and the Muslim people... nor Moslims from Arabs (not all are Arab you know). When I pointed out to her that it was stupid to say such things she said we should drop a s*** load of bombs in those areas instead and close off all our borders to everyone and kick out all the Arab Moslims. (reminded me very much of what was done to the Japanese in WWII). Oh... and she's a die-hard Democrat by the way, but almost everything she said doesn't sound like the "liberals" that you describe. Hence why I say Democrats and Republicans are idiots. |
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yes, they "should" band together.... but how often do they? really....
to agree to either side of the spectrum would be like saying they are right and we are wrong in which ever point of view we hold to and we can't have that I'm not saying the -only- solution is to kill them all.... but at the same time it doesn't seem like they are going to be dealt with diplomatically to agree to either side of the spectrum would be like saying they are right and we are wrong in which ever point of view we hold to and we can't have that I'm not saying the -only- solution is to kill them all.... but at the same time it doesn't seem like they are going to be dealt with diplomatically |
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Elara... they are fighting amungst themslefs cuz some don't want to fight the terrorists. I don't get your post. |
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Now, they all want to fight the terrorists, they just have different ideas of how. To "fight terrorism" does not necessarily mean "drop bombs on them".
You know, the parties banded together during WWII dispite their differences of opinion, but I guess that humanity has de-evolved so much that it is impossible now to even comprehend the notion of unity for some people. *note: that was not an attack on any member of the board, just an observation of humanity overall* You know, the parties banded together during WWII dispite their differences of opinion, but I guess that humanity has de-evolved so much that it is impossible now to even comprehend the notion of unity for some people. *note: that was not an attack on any member of the board, just an observation of humanity overall* |
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well, I'm gonna shoot a hole in your argument and say that dropping bombs and shooting people were the solution for WWII ![]() ![]() |
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Also FDR had basicly a blank check to get america out of the depression. They allowed him to make bill after bill. He had lots and lots of power. Basicly a manopoly(spelling....) i might say. So, its not as black and white as it sounds. Its also the same situation as 9/11. We were attacked, and then we got pissed. |
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Monopoly, c'mon dude, it's even on a board game.
He didn't have a blank check, he created the bills to create jobs to bring in the money to heal the depression. Yes, it is much more complex than we can understand because we were not there and we don't know all that happened, because history is selective. In WWII bombs and shooting were used yes, and we also learned that it was bad to drop nukes because of raditation. I'm not harping on the methods used, I'm pointing out that both "liberals" and "conservatives" worked together for a common goal instead of sitting there with their heads up their asses yelling at each other over what to do and refusing to listen to any idea but their own. He didn't have a blank check, he created the bills to create jobs to bring in the money to heal the depression. Yes, it is much more complex than we can understand because we were not there and we don't know all that happened, because history is selective. In WWII bombs and shooting were used yes, and we also learned that it was bad to drop nukes because of raditation. I'm not harping on the methods used, I'm pointing out that both "liberals" and "conservatives" worked together for a common goal instead of sitting there with their heads up their asses yelling at each other over what to do and refusing to listen to any idea but their own. |
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Yes he did. Almost anything he put out got passed. Until he tried to change the supreme court judges or something like that. Then he wasn't as trusted. But we found out it does work far more effectively to fire bomb entire cities elara. That is a good point. *does a victory dance after slamming the nuke argument* |
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Victory dance? For what? |
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It may work more effectively when trying to oust a certain population.. but when it comes to the after effects, such as fallout and radiation, it's not so effective.. I suggest reading Alas, Babylon to help you understand that one, John. |
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Nukes are used differently now..... such as how now they are directly droped on the ground. In those days they were set to detinate above ground giving much less nuclear fallout and such. The bottom line is you gotta do what you gotta do. And i don't know where that argument is coming from belial. Cuz i remember once you telling me you don't care what happens to anybody outside of you and your group of friends. Interesting....... |
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