Crawldragon : says "That's something the Catholic church made up to give priests more power"
Then the same thing could be said for the person who first said there was such a thing as a god.
"Hey you people, there's a magic dude in the sky who will burn you forever if you don't follow some rules.
Rules which I conveiniently have in my possession that I didn't make up just to serve my own purposes at all.
Now please give me 10 ruples so that the sky man doesnt burn you in a bad place forever"
People also use gods and mythology to explain what they cant explain at the time, like the phases of the moon.
With time that was explained, and with more time other things will be explained.

bignatealpha : If that were the case god would not have grown an apple tree just for adam to nibble on lol. He would have to grow it himself.

JigSaw : I said Christians don't need to know everything to say that God exists.

and I agree with Crawldragon about his observation. You sound like you were raised catholic, which many of their teachings are not even correct anyways. (see the catholic thread)

And yes, men wrote the Bible, but the Bible inspired by God, and used people as instruments.
Think of it like this, when you write a book, who writes it: You or the pen? Of course you are the one who writes the book. The pen is just an instrument for you to use in order to write it. IF you read what the Bible says, you can see how inspired it is, comparing through fiction or nonfiction, there has never been a book written like it. And it has God's "fingerprint" written all over it (not literal), if you see the history, the prophesy, the wisdom, and the messages. And from the thread "Bible as the Authoritative Word of God," i already showed that Bible is undisputed for it's authenticity.

DarkHyren : You could make that argument. However, the evidence I presented suggests that God was not made up (i.e., the global flood as recorded in the Bible, and evidence to suggest Jesus's body was resurrected rather than stolen). There is no evidence that a priest can turn bread into the body of Christ.

Crawldragon : Well, a record of an actual event (ie a flood) does not in itself prove anything other then that a flood happened.
Back to the con-man "Oh yeah, you know that flood we had, yeah that was this guys doing, see there were alot of people not following these rules so he killed them.
But if you come to my house every sunday and give money to this basket the sky guy will know you are good"

As far as "evidence" of a body being moved or not moved or anything, there's not really much proof one way or another anyone can say about a 2,000 odd year old corpse unless it's mummified.

Well the pen doesn't really help you with thoughts. God would be more like a ghost writer more then anything. But still, bible is not authenticated words of wisdom from god its words of wisdom from normal people.

If I wrote a phrase in the bible, it would be word of god too even though its not so there is high probability of it not being word of god.

As for Jesus being resurrected what proof is there? Only thing I know of existing is the blanket with BBQ sauce on it. The fact that there is no body found proves even more that he could not have existed at all. Or he did exist and someone tampered with his dead body.

The thing that gets me is this sounds like a staged event. Jesus set the timeline and his followers did good job of following through with it.

JigSaw : Er, no, if you did write something that got put in the Bible, it still wouldn't be God's word, and true Christians wouldn't fall for it, because it wouldn't have God's fingerprint in the words.

True christians would fall for it if I was 2000 years old when I wrote it. And what do gods finger prints look like? What words are fingerprinted by god? To me, it appears that the words are NOT fingerprinted by god but instead finger printed by the author writing their entry.

JigSaw : by the logic your using i could prove you dont exist. ive never sen or heard you. ive never even seen a picture of you therefore you dont exist. or at least thats the case if seeing is believing.

If I don't exist then why are you talking to yourself

Does outer-space have an end? Obviously it doesn't. If there's a brick wall with 'The End' written on it, what's behind the wall? Space has no beginning and no end, the same applies with God. He is eternal. God dwells outside of this dimension, in the dimension of eternity, and isn't subject to time. Because we live in the dimension of time, logic and reason demand that everything must have a beginning and an end. But God's eternal nature is the same as the concept of outer-space having no beginning and no end.

I really encourage people to go to a website called wakeupproject.com and under the videos tab, there's this series called "The Arrivals". This series is one very strong reason why I do believe in God, but always believed in Him before watching this series. Start Watching from part 1 then go up in the series. This is a really great series, it really opened my mind.

I just wish atheist wouldn't say that Christians believe in something that can't happen. I mean the big bang. Countless particles of matter spontaneously collecting for time into a black hole and then being exploded outward to create everything in the universe. And then life instantly being created on earth although science has never been able to recreate life successfully. And then that first organism going through enough mutations which seem to never be helpful that somehow leads to the development of higher life forms and eventually humans. Humans that have subconscious thought about art, life, and love that somehow was created through only physical changes. Though physical changes alone should never lead to a system of strict morals or for man to question his own existence and seek knowledge of the universe. And the chance of all this happening just seems less likely to happen then if God created all things. I'm just saying.

You can't really prove god exists. You can belive.

And if god didn't exist. This picture wouldn't make sense






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NathanMacneil : Finally someone said something good.


Anyway here is my believe.

If god didn't exist, THEN HOW DID THE BIG BANG HAPPENED ? Scientists even today still don't know. I believe the Big bang was an action to God, wanting to create a master piece due to loneliness and boredom .

That is MY evidence.

P.S : And this is my 1st post in this thread .

Didowe : Yeah... I don't believe in the "Big Bang". More like the "small poof" kinda thing... God just took nothing, and poof, there was the universe. But you're spot on with your reasoning, the "big bang" couldn't come about if God was non-existent.

took nothing and made the universe? that makes no sense. It goes against the laws of thermodynamics. Matter cannot be created or destroyed but only change state. I don't see why God would create a universe where that is the law and yet not create the universe under that same principle.... but that isn't really a big deal. I personally think that the big bang did happen but it was caused by God and from that he created the universe ( and is still creating things out there)

geeogree : I worded that wrong . There had to be matter, but it was just... void. Nothing. Empty space, and He re-formed it into the universe.

okay... that's different. Taking matter that exists and shaping it into the universe we see today is very different.

And if you look at some of the things about the universe that need to be true in order for life to exist on Earth the likelihood that it is random is pretty small.

We shouldn't have to explain why God exists. Personally, I believe in him. Believe is the key word there, you either believe in him or you don't. You can't prove whether or not he exists because you have to die to see him. I don't care if you think he's not real and want us to prove it. Some of us believe, some don't.