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Posted on 05-29-10 12:26 AM geeogree is Offline     Post: 66 words - (ID: 190050) - Post Rating: 0 - Report Abuse | Link
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For all the Christians and -others- who do or don't believe in God.... I want you to try and prove God exists. Or disprove the attempts that come up.

I'm interested to see what people can come up with to prove God exists. I'm not suggesting I don't believe in God, but I think this is will produce some interesting conversation about the issue.

Okay.... GO!

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There's two types of gods that I know exist, the one in religion I view as a scapegoat or fabrication. There is enough proof that Government is God or a illusion posing as god because they are very identical to what god is described as and capable of. Think of Government as reality god.

If I were to look at god from a christian perspective based on events on the bible God would be extraterrestrial. Why would god be an alien? Same reason why Jesus rose from the dead, the huge boulder got removed from his tomb and pulled a light show which only aliens have the tech to pull off such stunt. Bodies don't disappear out of nowhere and women don't get pregnaunt out of the blue. Aliens are the only ones who had the tech to pull off teleportation, illusions, and genetic experimentation at the time. There is a reason why government hides anything alien related.

Aliens are the missing links here. There is so much in space we do not know about hell we dont even know our own ocean fully. You can skip space and go directly to god because that would be cheating the system.

The bible is a designed path leading to the end of days. Someone is making it happen its not just happening out of the blue like a fairy tail. I am trying to look at who would benefit from lieing to people and I say Government is a key suspect. You can't question god right? Well you cant question government either. Why would government hide alien activity and label it as a threat to national security when they are not?

The scariest thing about god I can think of is printed on US money. It says "In God We Trust" that right there proves that there is a major lie going around, people are getting suckered into believing an entity they have never seen before. People want to know what the trinity represents? Civilians, Government, Aliens - Aliens = God, Government = Father, Civilians = Son. Welcome to reality

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JigSaw : You're joking right? This would be great for a scifi or something but it's definitely not backed up other than what you think is logical. You don't even know if aliens exist!
As for what I think so far as to how God exists, I believe there is no way that the world can be just put into place. Look into the universe itself, and you'll see unexplainable wonders... the stars, blackholes, galaxies, They're very complex and still don't know for sure how the universe came to be. That being said, I think the only way that the universe can be like this is if there was a creator, a higher power, that crafted and created the entire universe. Look at the complex lifeforms on Earth: Us as humans, cells, animals, reptiles, amphibians, insects. There's no way all this could've just fallen into place. The universe is created by God, not just by accident or by coincidence.
Several well known scientists believed in a creator, Albert Einstein and Issac Newton is all I can think of at the moment, but I suppose someone would help me out on that
That's my belief.

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Posted on 05-29-10 09:44 AM geeogree is Offline     Post: 31 words - (ID: 190144) - Post Rating: 0 - Report Abuse | Link
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wow, I think you both just failed at this.... =/

I said PROVE God exists.... you both just gave your opinions.

hopefully someone else can come along with a better attempt.

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Unfortunately we can't prove that he does exist, but fortunately we cannot prove that he does NOT exist.

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Hooch - yet you believe God exists.... why is that?

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Anyone in for a little Descartes? René Descartes is the father of Modern Philosophy and he made an ontological argument about the existence of God as part of his method to prove the existence of self, existence of God, and the existence of physical objects. This is from his document Meditations.

Here is his ontological argument:
1. I have the idea in my mind of a supremely perfect being.
2. Just as I cannot conceive a triangle without the triangle having certain attributes (3 sides, 3 angles, etc.), so I cannot think of a supremely perfect being that does not have all the perfections.
3. Existence is a perfection.
4. Therefore, the supremely perfect being (God) exists.

He needs to prove God before proving physical objects because he starts off in the first chapter putting a scenario of doubting everything so that nothing can be seen as true, and then work their way from there.

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"3. Existence is a perfection. "

That is the flaw in his argument in my opinion. Unless you can explain this point better I would say his argument is lacking right here.

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There is no way to prove something exist. Even if you have pictures, photographs, and testimonials its all opinion. Fact is fiction, just a fabricated conclusion based on someone elses study. No way to prove something exists when denial is human nature.

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JigSaw : uhm.... I could prove something exists/is true if I had pictures of it. Just because someone can refuse to accept my proof doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means they refuse to change their world view.

Opinion is not a factor in truth. Truth exists outside of viewpoint or opinion.

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Well, I think for an actually standard such as perfection, there has to be something that exists that would give that sort of a standard.

Think of Plato's Theory of the Forms...Forms are non-physical realities that physical things participate in. He states that people have given many things with certain descriptions, such as "good" or "beautiful." Different people have different viewpoints of what is considered good and what is considered beautiful. The way people have the capability to make judgments show that we have some type of standard engraved in us. According to Plato, the reason we have this is because the knowledge of the Forms was already known in our immortal souls before birth. In terms of the standard of "good," we have something in our hearts that acts as a judge on us on what is right or wrong. That is the conscience. People might claim that our conscience would be subjective, but I believe that everyone understand that it's wrong to lie, wrong to steal, wrong to murder, etc. It's only a matter of whether someone listens to it, or ignoring it that would make our perception of our conscience would be dulled down. Either way, there is a certain standard that has been placed in our heart.

Other than that, looking at our world is proof that there has to be a God. When you see a building, how do you know there is a builder? You may not have see the person, heard him, talk to him, etc, but you know that a builder or a company made the building because the building is proof itself that there is a builder. When you see a painting in a museum, you know that there is someone who actually painted, because the painting is proof that there is a painter. When you look at our universe, of how amazingly designed it is, and especially how the odds of everything working out the way it does, must tell us that there is a intelligent designer.

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"When you look at our universe, of how amazingly designed it is, and especially how the odds of everything working out the way it does, must tell us that there is a intelligent designer."

And I could counter with: The fact that we exist proves nothing at all. Ours is one of trillions of planets (possibly more). The chances might have been slim for life to occur and develop to the point it has, but here we are. That doesn't mean that must be a designer.

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I originally wasn't going to post in here, and I'm still not going to make a big deal out of it, but I guess I'll just put in my two bits.

I look at it as a way of proving the alternatives. When I ask an atheist where the world came from, they say "the Big Bang," and this is what I input:

The Big Bang and other theories for how the universe came to be have no more proof than the God theory. Here's why: It's a basic, fundamental law of the universe and everything in it that "matter can not be created or destroyed. It can only be changed."

The problem with this is that the Big Bang theory requires that the universe started with a singularity. Depending on who you ask, this singularity was either a supercompressed dot or a supermassive object (I have no idea why there seems to be some controversy there) and that exploded and created the universe. But where did the singularity come from, and what made it explode? If matter can not be created, from where did it come, and if it was alone before the universe, what reaction caused it to explode (or "expand" depending on who you ask)

From a purely scientific point of view, in order for the universe to have been created, especially with the restriction that matter can not be created, it would have to have been from something outside our universe who is not subject to the laws thereof. Of course, this is considered bad logic by the atheist community, but they never tell me why. Besides, the alternatives are that one of the most basic facts that scientists put forth is false, and thus the scientific point of view on the creation of the world is just fiction.

Other than that, I have to say that near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences seem to be *some* evidence of an afterlife and/or a God, and sometimes incredible things (we call them "miracles") seem to happen that would hint toward divine intervention.

I think the question to "prove that God exists" is a ridiculous one, especially given that many people are reluctant to prove their atheistic beliefs, but I thought I'd humor you.

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Crawldragon : I don't actually expect anyone to actually prove God exists... I simply wanted to see attempts. Although, I could have changed it from God to "A Creator" or "Divine Being" or something like that. Regardless I think we all understood what I was getting at.

I do like your mention of actual events that people have experienced or witnessed relating to near-death experiences and miracles. While it's hard to prove it to someone who wasn't there they do give evidence that there is something more going on in the world than what we see. But again, if someone wants to be skeptical in the face of the evidence then there is nothing you can do to change their mind.

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geeogree : Yeah. I thought about making a point of the out-of-body experiences etc. stuff, but I've actually heard arguments countering it, so I didn't think I should waste my time. I've learned that non-believers mostly use science as a basis for their arguments, so anyone actually trying to prove that God exists should try to adapt for that, which is what I tried to do.

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I would say "prove He doesn't" right here, but that would be no fun, and there are probably ways to prove that He doesn't. (I'm capitalizing the He out of respect for any viewers, I'm not from Jehovah's Witness or anything)

In short, there really is no way. Yes, we can source thousands of references in the Bible, but that's just one source. There may be some testimonies from people long dead, but they could have been planted, bribed, etc. Most of the evidence that we have is from believers, so it isn't really valid. There really isn't much evidence that He exists.

Don't get me wrong here. I am a practicing Christian, and I believe in God entirely. However, there really is no proof. That's why we have this funny little thing called Faith.

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Before I begin, I will tell all of you that my bespeaking will be more towards a Christian view, so rather than just proving that a God exists, I will undertake proving that the god of Christianity indeed exists.

Firstly, I will mention proof of the existence of Jesus Christ, or more accurately, Yeshua of Nazareth. We are afforded these upcoming things:

- The Gospel According To Matthew
- The Gospel According To Mark
- The Gospel According To Luke
- The Gospel According To John
- The Acts of The Apostles
- The writ of Flavius Josephus
- The writ of Cornelius Tacitus
- The slurring of Christians to Emperor Trajan by the governor Pliny the Younger
- The slurring of Christians by the satirist Lucian
- The accusation of childishness and sorcery by the philosopher Celsus
- The writ of the historian Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus

Next, we need to look into the archaeological proof the the Holy Bible's historicity, such as:

- Hittite texts: Found in Turkey, these prove that the Hittites were not fictional
- Mesha Stele: This artifact makes references to the House of David.
- Sargon's Palace: This was found in Iraq.
- Temple of Amun: This records the campaign into Israel by Pharaoh Shishak.
- Ramses' II Temple: The field of Abram in Hebron are mentioned in here.
- Merneptah Stele: This mentions that Israel was settled in Canaan.
- Mt. Sinai: It was found, and part of it was burnt, in correlation with this bible verse:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+19:18&version=NASB

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/msv25mtntop.jpg

And now, we ought to get into some logic:

- If no god exists, what caused the collision of the two meteors, as believed of in the Big Bang Theory?
- If no god exists, what started the process of evolution?
- Wouldn't it be needed for a god to exist, regarding the fact that something cannot come out of nothing, therefore needing a eternal something to exist?

Also, we may look at the sundry fulfilled foretelling, such as:

Foretelling: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024:14&version=NASB
Fulfillment: Missionaries exist all over the world.

Foretelling: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2029:15&version=NASB
Fulfillment: Most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been conquered by Europeans, and failed to dominate Israel each time they undertook that in 1948, 1967, and 1973; Egypt is not very powerful as it once was.

Foretelling: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024:14&version=NASB
Fulfillment: Sundry people, such as José Luís de Jesús Miranda and Sun Myung Moon.

Foretelling: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%203:1-5&version=NASB
Fulfillment: This is ongoing, with much greed, corrupt governments, hypocrisy, vulgarity, etc.

Foretelling: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204:1&version=NASB
Fulfillment: Sundry people follow cults or atheism, or other false religions. Furthermore, the amount of irreligion in the United States has increased from 8% in 1990 to 15% in 2008, and there are many people who take interest in New Thought.

I would like to hear people's thoughts, I truly did not do a whole lot of research, so things may not seem the most convincing or wholesome, I will make a more professional thing on YouTube later on.

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One way to dispute god doesn't exist is to look at how creation works. If something needs creation then it is an infinite cycle which repeats over and over. This means god would have needed to be created by something or someone else, which means that whatever made god also needed to have been created by something or someone else etc...

Here is another way to look at it. Someone starts a company by themselves they are the god of that company right? They create it and are the ruler of it all. But think about who made that guy in first place? His mom & dad... its a cycle that repeats in a infinite loop backwards.

1. Now space can also be disputed, we really are not sure if its infinite or not. If space is not infinite then that means there is only one creator because it comes to an end, when something comes to an end then it also has a beginning. This gives logic that one god could exist but you have to keep in mind that if his creation does die then that is it, no more creation because it came to an end.

2. However if space is infinite then that means it would be an infinite cycle of creation meaning there would be no god or infinite amounts of gods. It would work very similar to how we work, our moms and dads give birth to us then we take their spot, then we die and the children take the new place.

I can see 1 relating to god while 2 relating to big bang theory. So I think a good way to prove gods existence is by looking at those two things. The key is finding out if an end exists. I think people are going at it backwards, there really is no way to tell what started life without jumping the gun and finding the end of it. Just like when people die they find god so the only real way to find him is by finding an end somewhere whether here on earth waiting for doomsday, by dieing, or by venturing in space and figuring out if it ends or not.

We can all say for certain nothing lasts forever.... but space is probably the final solution to figuring out gods existence, cause if that does not end then there is no god its an infinite creation cycle.
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Metal_25 : Those are great sources you have lined up there, but look at it from a non-believer's viewpoint. Most of the things you talk about are from the Bible, and I don't think non- believers will accept quotes from our Holy Book to prove that our God is real.

As for your historical evidence, you need to explain that in more detail. Yes, Hittite texts prove that they existed, but they do not prove that they battled with the Israelites, who were helped by God.
Mesha Stele: It may make references to the House of David, yet all it proves is that King David once ruled the throne, and his descendants. It does not prove that he was helped and led by God, once again.
Sargon's Palace: Sargon was a conquering emperor from the Assyrian Dynasty. The existence of his palace only proves that his Dynasty existed. Nothing about God at all, except that the Assyrians occasionally clashed with the Israelites.
Temple of Amun: Amun was an Egyptian god, so look at it this way. Amun had a temple dedicated to him, and we've found it. Does this automatically prove that Amun exists and should be the sole ruler of the cosmos? No.
Ramses II's Temple: Yes, the fields of Abraham are mentioned there. Lovely. For all we know, Abraham could have just been a really famous or insane sheep herder, not one in direct contact with God. This still proves nothing.
Merneptah Stele: It proves that, historically, the Israelites settled in Canaan. We already knew that. However, it does not prove that the Israelites went to Canaan because it was promised to them by God after their Exodus from Egypt.
Mt Sinai: Good. We've found a large, partially burnt chunk of rock that may or may not correspond to the Bible. The verse in question discusses a burning bush, which, made of Carbon, would have long disintegrated, had it not been a celestial sent burning bush. However, unless we have record of a bush that appeared to be subjected to fire over 3,000 years ago but still remains, this burnt chunk of rock does not help us.

Just because Missionaries exist does not mean God does. I could say that people in a hundred years will all eat cheese and brainwash everyone into eating cheese, but that does not mean that I am a holy deity. All that happened with missionaries is that a bunch of faithful people gathered to worship God. It still doesn't prove that He exists.
Egypt's failure to dominate over Israel may just be a coincidence or problem within the government. It may not be the actions of a supreme deity.
Read one point up for the next one
There will always be hypocrisy, greed, and corruption in any non- Utopian social system that arises. Any one could say that, and it would be true regardless. This still doesn't prove much.
See above one for next one, just change the points a bit, replacing "hypocrisy" with cult, etc.

Overall, you did a pretty good job gathering evidence; however, most of your evidence didn't make much sense and did not back up your point very well. I'm glad to see that you put a lot of effort into this, however.

Final note: I am not an atheist. I am a Confirmed Christian, and I believe in God entirely. I a merely looking at this argument from an Atheist or non- believer's point of view, as they are probably the people asking this question. Believers don't need to know the answer to this because, they believe, and have this funny little thing called faith.

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~sakura~ : I see what you mean, and I truly thank you for giving me that constructive critcism, so that I may better my arguments in the future. I may not have proven much for Christianity, but I did show the Holy Bible to to be at least somewhat historically accurate. Also, as obvious as it is, I did rush through this, which bespeaks of why my information is not fully in detail and not truly organized the best, as I undertook hinting at when I said I would make something more professional on YouTube later on, and when I mentioned my information not being the most convincing or wholesome. But again, I see your point. I did want to add, as I didn't because I rushed through, that all of these things that I mentioned have been shown to us by Jesus, but it is up to us to accept it, and just as you said, it is faith that is needed. But I will also add that I spontaneous felt the desire to become a Christian, and am not one because of my parents. I did not understand chruch nor enjoy it when I was young, but one day, in seventh grade, I felt happiness for Jesus and wanted to read the Holy Bible. I truly believe this to be the power of the Holy Spirit, and when my father recently became a Christian again, he mentioned having a feeling of happiness and thinking that he should be a Christian, but I am sure that an Atheist would view it otherwise as soemthing else. As you had mentioned, faith is needed.

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