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And Thus Begins Viet Nam II

 

01-28-05 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by John
Really there is not point in complaining about the war now... little too late eh?


The point in "complaining" about it is to help prevent something like it from happening in the future.
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Really there is not point in complaining about the war now... little too late eh?


The point in "complaining" about it is to help prevent something like it from happening in the future.
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01-28-05 07:01 AM
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Something like this?
Something like this?
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Originally posted by Belial
No, because they'll be away in Iraq, being babysat.


wait.... you're telling me you want to send criminals to fight wars....

that won't work.... that's like giving them away, if they want to get away....

unless you want to start using some sort of tracking system in prisoners/soldiers.... but, hat would be expensive, and potentially illegal....

it's not a bad idea to send them to fight, but they aren't fighting because they want to, they fight because they have to.... and soldiers fighting for the wrong reasons don't fight as well as those that want to
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No, because they'll be away in Iraq, being babysat.


wait.... you're telling me you want to send criminals to fight wars....

that won't work.... that's like giving them away, if they want to get away....

unless you want to start using some sort of tracking system in prisoners/soldiers.... but, hat would be expensive, and potentially illegal....

it's not a bad idea to send them to fight, but they aren't fighting because they want to, they fight because they have to.... and soldiers fighting for the wrong reasons don't fight as well as those that want to
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Which is another reason why I am opposing draft, Geeogree. Perhaps we could give those inmates that are more capable of joining the army have the option?
Which is another reason why I am opposing draft, Geeogree. Perhaps we could give those inmates that are more capable of joining the army have the option?
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01-29-05 11:30 AM
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Occasionally there is the option of active service or jail. But not in many instances. And the whole prisioner idea would be a big flop.
Occasionally there is the option of active service or jail. But not in many instances. And the whole prisioner idea would be a big flop.
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I think it's a good idea to give them the option to join a war if they want to. But it's wrong, and would be a big flop as John said, if we sent them over there against their will. Even those that want to fight in the war may feel a little rebellious for being 'forced' to do it.
I think it's a good idea to give them the option to join a war if they want to. But it's wrong, and would be a big flop as John said, if we sent them over there against their will. Even those that want to fight in the war may feel a little rebellious for being 'forced' to do it.
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I agree, because that is how it was sounding....

I was hearing "send criminals over to fight wars".... and in my head I thought, what if they don't want to go....? but, it wouldn't be too bad of a thing if we sent those that were willing and able.... as a price to pay instead of their sentence....

it works.... in it's own way.... but I still think that there will be a fair bit of babysitting going on.... and I really don't like the idea of giving military training to criminals.... it just doesn't make sense
I agree, because that is how it was sounding....

I was hearing "send criminals over to fight wars".... and in my head I thought, what if they don't want to go....? but, it wouldn't be too bad of a thing if we sent those that were willing and able.... as a price to pay instead of their sentence....

it works.... in it's own way.... but I still think that there will be a fair bit of babysitting going on.... and I really don't like the idea of giving military training to criminals.... it just doesn't make sense
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Originally posted by Jin
If the draft becomes a reality, I'm heading to Canada.

I'm not going to kill innocent people for Dubya. I'd rather rot in jail.
why doesn't gool ol Dubya just go over to iran with an AK-47 and fight his own war?and its not even his job to go over into iran!if the UN thought it was a bad enough situation over there they would have sent like special opps troops over,wouldn't they

Originally posted by geeogree
I agree, because that is how it was sounding....

I was hearing "send criminals over to fight wars".... and in my head I thought, what if they don't want to go....? but, it wouldn't be too bad of a thing if we sent those that were willing and able.... as a price to pay instead of their sentence....

it works.... in it's own way.... but I still think that there will be a fair bit of babysitting going on.... and I really don't like the idea of giving military training to criminals.... it just doesn't make sense


yeah...but i dont think el presedenty thought that far...
Originally posted by Jin
If the draft becomes a reality, I'm heading to Canada.

I'm not going to kill innocent people for Dubya. I'd rather rot in jail.
why doesn't gool ol Dubya just go over to iran with an AK-47 and fight his own war?and its not even his job to go over into iran!if the UN thought it was a bad enough situation over there they would have sent like special opps troops over,wouldn't they

Originally posted by geeogree
I agree, because that is how it was sounding....

I was hearing "send criminals over to fight wars".... and in my head I thought, what if they don't want to go....? but, it wouldn't be too bad of a thing if we sent those that were willing and able.... as a price to pay instead of their sentence....

it works.... in it's own way.... but I still think that there will be a fair bit of babysitting going on.... and I really don't like the idea of giving military training to criminals.... it just doesn't make sense


yeah...but i dont think el presedenty thought that far...
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Acctually wilted, no... no they UN wouldn't send over troops. The UN is a joke. Its high time(only phrase i could think of, sorry) the world stoped relying on the United Nations.

And on to your second comment. This 'El Presedenty' guy didn't even suggest such an idea. I don't see where you are going with your post.
Acctually wilted, no... no they UN wouldn't send over troops. The UN is a joke. Its high time(only phrase i could think of, sorry) the world stoped relying on the United Nations.

And on to your second comment. This 'El Presedenty' guy didn't even suggest such an idea. I don't see where you are going with your post.
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John's right. The UN is a joke, but I'm really actually getting scared of Bush's actions. He's bold, that not a big deal. But I don't like his ideas of enforcing his beliefs on the world. It's just not morally right.
John's right. The UN is a joke, but I'm really actually getting scared of Bush's actions. He's bold, that not a big deal. But I don't like his ideas of enforcing his beliefs on the world. It's just not morally right.
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Like how? Care to point out any examples?
Like how? Care to point out any examples?
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see.... I look at what is going on in a lot of places in the world as not morally right....

people actually being forced into a way of thinking by a government that kills people for thinking otherwise....

that's a lot worse than an elected president that wants democracy around the world
see.... I look at what is going on in a lot of places in the world as not morally right....

people actually being forced into a way of thinking by a government that kills people for thinking otherwise....

that's a lot worse than an elected president that wants democracy around the world
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Originally posted by geeogree
see.... I look at what is going on in a lot of places in the world as not morally right....

people actually being forced into a way of thinking by a government that kills people for thinking otherwise....

that's a lot worse than an elected president that wants democracy around the world


What do you mean by this? Please rephrase.
Originally posted by geeogree
see.... I look at what is going on in a lot of places in the world as not morally right....

people actually being forced into a way of thinking by a government that kills people for thinking otherwise....

that's a lot worse than an elected president that wants democracy around the world


What do you mean by this? Please rephrase.
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simple example is Iraq itself.... it was run by a cruel dictator that stole from his people and killed anyone that tried to rebel against him....

I think that sort of thing is a lot more morally wrong than liberating that country could ever be.... no matter what the "reasons" were
simple example is Iraq itself.... it was run by a cruel dictator that stole from his people and killed anyone that tried to rebel against him....

I think that sort of thing is a lot more morally wrong than liberating that country could ever be.... no matter what the "reasons" were
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Yes, I think pretty soon here the people in Iraq will have to start taking matters into there own hands. In our revolution "we" did the fighting so I don't know how long it will take them all to get some patriotism. There is no North Korea that I can see, just a few wackos with guns.

I think if America ever falls it will fall from the inside VIA the left, propoganda, and bending over and lubing up for the UN. It will fall from the inside...
Yes, I think pretty soon here the people in Iraq will have to start taking matters into there own hands. In our revolution "we" did the fighting so I don't know how long it will take them all to get some patriotism. There is no North Korea that I can see, just a few wackos with guns.

I think if America ever falls it will fall from the inside VIA the left, propoganda, and bending over and lubing up for the UN. It will fall from the inside...
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