what about a chance at an unhappy life?

what constitutes a happy life? Maybe what I see as a happy or unhappy life is very different from what you think is a happy life.

Well, with rape, the child would be a never-ending reminder of a painful event. The PARENT would be the one with no chance at a happy life

It is possible to be content with a child after rape.

My mother was raped multiple times when she was married to her ex husband. She had 4 kids during that marriage, 2 planned and the other 2 a result from the rapes. The ex used to beat the crap out of her to try and get a miscarrage. Both times the babies survived and my mother carried to term.

After leaving that Ahole she went back to the Island that her father (my grandfather) is the chief of and raised all 4 kids with the help of many aunts and my grandmother.
My mum doesn't regret ever having my two brothers and I'm thankful as they really are awesome older brothers.

Then when all 4 kids were 15+ my mum married my dad and moved to Australia.

For some people it is possible, but that is not the case with all women. I mean, seriously, if you're a 15 year old girl and you get raped and pregnant from it are you really going to be happy with it?

Personally if I was 15 and got raped and fell pregnant I wouldn't be happy with the rape but I would have kept the child (we have some weird Island customs, so it would have been one of my aunts or my mother who would take the baby).

I belive that abortions should be there for people who need them (such as rape victims). The downside is that in countries with not very good medical care most abortions would be done with a coathanger or some other way that would do a large amount of physical and mental damage to the female.

I guess I should've clarified. It's not impossible to be content with a child caused by rape, just difficult.

Anyway, what if tests show that the baby will be born with a disease that kills in the first few years of life such as Tay-Sachs?

then the kid will die when it's a few years old....

I have a cousin, second cousin I think... that has some sort of disease that was supposed to have killed her when she was days or weeks old and she's 12 now. It's a tough life, she's kind of a blob... but the family loves her. They feel blessed for every day they get.

I personally think it's kind of selfish to use machines to keep someone alive... but that's just me. I don't know if I could kill my own child... but choice or by action. Maybe if I knew he/she was suffering.... I guess you can't judge people too hard either way if you haven't gone though a similar thing.... how can you know for sure what you would do in a similar situation?

Well, I would figure that if you knew a child would live a very short life and suffer throughout it, if you found out early enough an abortion would make sense. It would spare a lot of people both physical and emotional pain.

Anyway, geo, you just gave me an idea for a new thread

I feel that if a woman wants to have an arbortion she can and if she doesn't it is still her choice. People should have the right to choose. i see it like any other medical procedure. you can have it if you want but you dont have to.

I don't think that abortion is right if it was your choice to have sex, but if you are raped then I think that it is not wrong to have abortion...

If life were only that easy.

what about a husband that for religious purposes refuses to use contraceptives and forces his wife to have sex with him because it's his "right" as a man to have sex with his wife whenever he wants to? Does she have the right to have an abortion in that case? She is married to the guy but the sex probably isn't consensual or the wife would be using contraceptive to prevent a pregnancy if she could.


and really, abortions are just late forms on contraceptive. there are the "morning after" pills that force a girls body to think it's having it's period and prevents implantation into the uterine wall. Is that any better or worse? And really, if abortion is legal before birth then why not after? What if you decide when the baby is 6 months old that you can't handle being a parent.... you didn't realize how tough it would be.... why not have an abortion at that point?

Originally posted by geeogree

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And really, if abortion is legal before birth then why not after? What if you decide when the baby is 6 months old that you can't handle being a parent.... you didn't realize how tough it would be.... why not have an abortion at that point?

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It is legal after birth. It's called an orphanage. Ok, sure they don't kill the thing (most times).
But really it's the same, it's the girl getting rid of something she doesn't want or can't handle.
Once it's in the hands of the orphanage it's up to them to deal with it in whatever way they are allowed, just like the abortion doctor.
It's not the doctors fault the thing can't survive outside the girls body.

actually.... ability to survive is a central argument in the abortion debate.

Many people say that a baby can't survive before like 20 or 22 weeks or something.... it's not clear how early a fetus could survive.... but many people that this sort of a date is the cut off point.

However, how many kids between the age of 0-5 could actually survive "on their own". How about 0. Kids are dependent on their parents until they are at least 14. And even then the vast majority depend on their parents into their late teens and early 20's.

The thing that bothers me the most about this whole situation is that governments are willing to pay and pay and pay in order to kill unborn children (at least my government is ) yet they won't pay to help parents adopt, or get in vitro fertilization. I realize that abortions are a lot cheaper than the other things are... but it seems like the focus is on killing rather than attempting to help people have children. It seems backwards

I think that Abortion should not be funded by the government...

I think that it should be payed by the people who are having it...But I think that the government should fund it if it was, because of rape...

Very touchy subeject but, think abortion should be allowed because of all the stem cells that could be collected and be used to throguher science thats as far as i'm going to go.

Originally posted by geeogree

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The thing that bothers me the most about this whole situation is that governments are willing to pay and pay and pay in order to kill unborn children (at least my government is ) yet they won't pay to help parents adopt, or get in vitro fertilization. I realize that abortions are a lot cheaper than the other things are... but it seems like the focus is on killing rather than attempting to help people have children. It seems backwards

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Wow, this is an easy pick. Look man if any government helped people have more kids (Like China) what the heck do you think will happen. Overpopulation seems to be the priority of the people and the planet. So helping people have 8 kids per child-birth (or even two) is not in anyone's interest but the parents. The theory: "one less mouth to feed"

On the topic of rape... Look abortion shouldn't be allowed at all. We all would be the biggest hypocrites if we thought this was even morally right under any circumstance.

Go back in time my fellow humans. Think hummm!!!!! Is your bloodline alive today because of sex with (consent). Nooooooo!!!! A lot of you right know are products of rape, incest, and whatever else. so should you be killed for being a product of your ancestor's rape experience. If so "form a line". Really rape incest and etc was not made last year or the year before that and so on. The bloodline of today is a factor from rape and incest.

The real question is why should you be any different from these unborn children. Man the one thing I hate the most is "potential of life" that is being destroyed. what if one of these kids would have grown up to change the world for the better. I guess selfishness overrides others happiness. Rape man do any of you know how common this act is among animals, humans, and human history. So I don't care don't abort you kids please!!! If it were you in that body you wouldn't want to die either. Also children born from such acts are usually the most loving around. They feel as though they owe you their lives and will repay it tenfold. Babies have no sin so let them live. What have they done to anyone.







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Originally posted by WillowCrystalis

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On the topic of rape... Look abortion shouldn't be allowed at all. We all would be the biggest hypocrites if we thought this was even morally right under any circumstance.

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I assume you're a man seeking a relationship.

I also assume you'd like to have kids. But there's a problem.


I'm gonna rape your wife. Have fun with your new child.

I'm gonna rape your mother too, enjoy your new sibling.


While I'm at it I'll rape any and all daughters you may have once they reach the age where they can have children.



I'm sure you'd wish that they'd be allowed an abortion by then.

thanks for the wonderful post DM!