Annette : That brings up a question: Vampire or Werewolf? Every companion is p*ssed off at me for not being a werewolf-- even if I am a lizard dude...

MegaRevolution1 :   The smb thing is not my perspective.  Everyone knows that bowser kidnaps the princess and mario is trying to save her.  Everyone knows that who has ever turned the mario games on and watched the intro.  The thing about the turtles being voodoo witches who use dark magic to help bowser, that's from the instruction manual of one of the original mario games and is still what they are considered to be today by Nintendo.  Not my perspective, its in the instruction manuals.  But, maybe the game's instruction manuals are wrong?

As far as sonic...the one game for sonic I did play years ago did mention him trying to dominate the world (not him trying to better it industrially) and it is even on wikipedia that the story line is that robotnik is trying to dominate the world and Sonic has to stop him.  But then, the game I played could be wrong and wikipedia could be wrong.

jasonkelli : It could be some guy screwing around editing posts on Wikipedia...

jasonkelli : ... You did read what I said about Sonic, right? I 100% know he's trying to conquer the world, the knowledge kinda comes with my title.

I never read the manual for SMB, so I had no idea of that either, despite having played almost all of the Nintendo System games (Yes, I'm being specific so you or others don't try to turn that on me and bring up tons of bootleg Mario games or Mario mini games not manufactured by Nintendo, or possibly were manufactured by Nintendo but not on a System).

Plus, I'm mostly putting this into a perspective of those who have an open mind, or those who most likely haven't read the manuals, such as me and SMB. Those who go by everything they're told non-stop need not apply, Nya~.

I don't know that it is in the SMB manually itself, but it was in one of the mario manuals.  Either way, Bowser is a sorcerer himself and a kidnapper even if we ignore the turtles

I did read what you said about sonic.  Your first statement about sonic was that he was just trying to bring about an industrial age (that has nothing to do with world domination, America had one of the most incredible industrial ages the world has ever seen and it did not conquer the world nor did it try to).  Your second post was to tell me I didn't know what I was talking about when I said he was trying to conquer the world.  Now suddenly you are saying that you were the one claiming he was trying to conquer the world all along.

BluemageKyle : Werewolf. Being a vampire is way too inconvenient in comparison. You hide that you're a werewolf from NPCs without having to feed, etc.

What about DigDug? That guy is the most merciless killer in the history of Video games. IN the first game he digs around causing holes to collapse on top of innocent creatures...then he blows them up TO DEATH by using a damn BIKE PUMP. Pieces everywhere!! It's gruesome ;-)

In the second game he causes HORRIFIC earthquakes that devastates entire islands/continents.

So I ask you, which is worse?? ;-)

I destroyed the dark brotherhood and gave axe to the head to the lady immideatley when she proposed I should eat corpses. Does that make me a good christian? Even though I became a werewolf but Im cured now. And so is everybody else in the Companions. I feel kinda bad about attacking unprovoked to some giants and mammoths though.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with what most people are saying here... that what games you play in no way reflects who you are as a person.  I'm not saying that everyone who plays games like this secretly wants to kill, rape, and steal, so don't even go there and stop making assumptions while you're ahead.

What I mean is this:  I have an interest in exploration, so what kinds of games do I enjoy?  Games with exploration.  What am I not a fan of? Prostitution.  Why would I seek games with prostitution if I had absolutely no interest in it?  The logic that people don't enjoy the thought of such activities as they play is absolutely ludicrous. There IS an element of fun in the activities for the game's players, or else the game would not be played by those people.

I think part of the problem is that society has become so desensitized.  Kids everywhere grow up watching films and games in which innocent people are murdered and raped. It's not a 'big deal' if a teenager watches a move in which a hatchet gets buried six inches deep into someone else's skull.  It's not a big deal to watch people selling themselves for drugs or sex.  It's nothing new.  Gladiators fighting and killing each other was a favored pasttime in Rome for centuries.

Does this make it right? In my opinion it does not.  People want to cry out "You're an idiot!  It's just a game!"...  Yes, it's a game that engages your thoughts and imaginations. It's a game you are enjoying... a game in which you kill people, rape women, and steal just for the fun of it.  (I'm not talking about Skyrim, but any games in these categories)

If I watched a cartoon in which a child tripped and was impaled on a sharp stick which caused him to die.. but the event happened due to hilarious stupidity.... I wouldn't laugh and go "Oh, it's just a cartoon!"  If I could enjoy or laugh at that, I'd say soemthing was wrong with me.

We are measured by our thoughts and actions.  A game is very real.  It's in your hands, and it's in your head.  Your victims aren't real?  So what.  I'll give you that your victims weren't real.  That doesn't mean your mind did not enjoy partaking in the action of murder.  I'll never understand anyone with a conscience feeling okay playing a game like that. As I said... I think our society has simply become far, far too desensitized. *shrugs* I know you will all twist this the wrong way, but I'm just stating why I personally have an issue with games like this.

The funny thing is, you don't even have to COMPLETE these quests, sure they're there. But you don't have to do them if you find something wrong with them.

Most quests, beside main are completely optional and can be left aside.

It's a game, not real life. You need to see the boundary there, and you can't pull the same thing by saying that you have.

It's a roleplaying game, you go around killing random people to show what sort of character you are, the goody two shoes or the guy who nobody want's to mess with.

In short;

It's a game, not to be taken seriously. There are worse games than this, go rant about Grand Theft Auto or something like that.

Or how about you dont play the game? Or how about you dont even play GTA if you got problem with it?


Some of us like entertainment with adult content with them. Becase we are adults. We can handle it. It does not make us serial killers. Like if you like movies like the Departed, or the Godfather or the Goodfelas, you might enjoy the GTA games. Or if you liked books written by Robert E. Howard or something, you might enjoy Skyrim. Or other games of the Elder Scrolls series. Or any other Sword and Sorcery fantasy.

If you think its not up to your tastes, I strongly recomend you dont play it. And the least thing you should do is let your kids play it.

What I really think is wrong is that some parents think that just because something is a video game its "for the children" and think of it according to those standards. Like comic books are for children. That is as ignorant as saying movies or books are for children. These people will buy videogames meant for adults because their kids ask them to and because they say "everybody in my school has this game". And that is just wrong. If your ten year old kid would ask you to see Scarface or to read a copy of Story of O, ofcource you would not do it.

And you as an adult, if you dont want to read or watch that kind of content, you do not. Same with video games.

Sorry but what innocence is there left in this world... just saying

I swear, as many times as I have seen this argument being made, I am really sick of it. Everything under the sun has had its day of persecution by those of "higher moral fiber". I'm sick of it. If you don't want to play a game due to your morals, good, it is a good thing you are true to your morals, but don't expect everyone else to feature the same morals.

Singelli
 "I'm not saying that everyone who plays games like this secretly wants to kill, rape, and steal, so don't even go there and stop making assumptions while you're ahead."

You can say that all you want, but when you continue on to say stuff like this:

"Your victims aren't real?  So what.  I'll give you
that your victims weren't real.  That doesn't mean your mind did not
enjoy partaking in the action of murder.  I'll never understand anyone
with a conscience feeling okay playing a game like that"

It becomes very clear that you ARE saying that. You are saying that we secretly enjoyed murdering people,stealing,destroying things, and everything else our characters did. This reminds me of how people try and say "no offense" to cover themselves in case they upset someone. Just because you claim "no offense" doesn't mean it wasn't offensive. And likewise, just because you claim you weren't saying we want to kill, doesn't change the fact you yourself said we enjoy killing IN THE SAME POST.


devinlv17
 As far as you're argument about art reflecting society, that is true in some cases, but in life there are very few universal truths. I mean can you honestly say every piece of art in every form has reflected the morality of the society or of the creators? Also, by most people, art is considered a secondary role for video games, entertainment being the primary role. Entertainment is not always grounded in reality, and therefore does not reflect reality. Also, I don't know who came around and made you some higher being among men, but if you are going to go around and call people sadists simply for not sharing your moral views on a FICTIONAL GAME, don't be surprised when no one wants to talk to you.


When I played through Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, I made my character as evil as I could. I know this is about skyrim, but the same principles apply. My character murdered, stole, betrayed people, and was in every way a horrible person. If you want to call HIM a sadist, I won't argue with you there, my character was indeed a sadist. But last I checked, I have not killed anyone, nor have I stolen all their money, or turned them over to people who want to kill or torture them. I know this kind of became a rant, but I am so sick of hearing the same crap repeated a thousand times and, frankly, I'm not going to let it slide when someone tries to insult and smear people who have done nothing wrong.

i don't mean to make a complex message of inner thoughts and reasons... but here it goes... 


IT'S A VIDEO GAME!

metal572 :  LOL Huffy much?

I wasn't contradicting myself because that's not the way I meant to come off.  I was saying that from MY viewpoint, it would seem that people play characters they enjoy.... that I don't understand the argument that they can't.  I was giving an example of my perception and saying that I don't understand how people don't enjoy those characters if they truly have no interest in their characters' actions.

No need to throw insults... the very thing you're accusing everyone else of.  I didn't say once "You're all horrible people!" or anything of the sort.  Nor did I say that everyone should drop their values and adopt mine.  I was expressing my own opinion, as was asked in the original post.

Singelli : Maybe I am being a bit huffy, but after hearing the same argument for the hundredth time about a hundred different things, it starts to wear a bit thin. And the fact is when you say that a part of us enjoyed the act of murder, your words not mine, that isn't stating it in a way that suggest you don't understand. It is stating it as a judgement. Plus, you also said (in the same post) that the reason people play games where they can do these things is because they enjoy those things. "What I mean is this:  I have an interest in
exploration, so what kinds of games do I enjoy?  Games with exploration.
 What am I not a fan of? Prostitution.  Why would I seek games with
prostitution if I had absolutely no interest in it?  The logic that
people don't enjoy the thought of such activities as they play is
absolutely ludicrous. There IS an element of fun in the activities for
the game's players, or else the game would not be played by those
people." I'm not a fan of murder, but I play games that involve it. You can't just say we are playing these games cus we are interested in all these aspects, and then go on to say that "our minds enjoyed the act of murder" and then claim you are saying you just don't understand or that you are just giving your views. If you didn't understand it you wouldn't make these statements as if they were facts. And as far as "I'm just giving my views", that doesn't mean it isn't allowed to be criticized. And also, it isn't a case of me accusing someone of insulting others, it is a case where people HAVE insulted others. again, I reference the OP's comment about people being sadists.

metal572 :  I'm not going to post after this to avoid sandwich posting but....

"Maybe I am being a bit huffy, but after hearing the same argument for the hundredth time about a hundred different things, it starts to wear a bit thin."

You DO realize your side is the more represented one, right?  LOL  Otherwise these gaming companies would fail.
If you've heard MY argument a hundred times, I can guarantee yours has been voiced 1,000.  

Relax. We're not out to get ya. LOL

Really, I think if someone claims that videogames caused them to act as they did, or if someone claims thats why the accused did it, you should really be looking at the parents, they teach right and wrong.
I mean the usa kills people every day, in war, executions, and most probably covertly. But a thing called context comes into it. In the context of the USA its generally wars or executing criminals. While I dont say i condone it there is a massive difference between that and killing a random person.
Same for a game. You arent killing people, its just a sequence of dots. id argue that you are overlysensitive and potentialy hypocritical but targeting that. Especially when so many people that think violent films and games are an abomination, seem to support guns, wars, exceuting criminals etc. Those are real things. A game is just something to stimulate your mind for a while, get some entertainment.
Its a parents responsibility and to cast that off on others is really to shirk your obligations. Your kids live in your house, its up to you to lay down the law. The darker the game the more I generally enjoy it, and im about as anti war, killing, crime etc as you are likely to get.
I can make the distinction between reality and fiction, if you cant isn't that in fact more worrying?

Look I think the Reward system of games is a little... "off" at times but it is all simulated crap.
If Programmers were to include a strange deed system like "Rise of the Argonauts"? They would have done it years ago.
I practiced this years ago when soul calibur 2 was out and I tried defeating all women and children with just KICKS alone.
Guess what?
Nothing Happened.
Being a "man" is not translated into the game world well. Due to the fact that you are in a living fantasy that can go places you can not in real life.
The options are limitless and the urge to do evil deeds might be merrited due to the unconventional idea of solving puzzles.
Even Alexander the Great Solved a puzzle with a single sword strike.
(The knot. People. The merest Knot.)
Solving a problem sometimes requires a mind to go places that are not of the norm.
Thus... a game might reward unconventional behavior.
Trial and Error are things people have to deal with all the time.
Putting this in a simulated enviornment should be liberating.
You cant screw up your life in games dude.
That's what I got on this subject.
Good Luck To All.
I'm Done. Stick a Fork in me.
Peace.