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12-13-12 07:19 PM
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I really enjoy Skyrim. It's freak'n epic. But as I've watched and read about the thing other people do while playing, I've realised some things. Some things I find deeply disturbing. These players go around doing some things that are just plain....awful. They go around killing innocent NPCs; Why? Because they don't like them; or they have an item they want, or just because it's "fun"? They steal from them, too, random citizens as well as these particular NPCs; these characters who are good and innocent, who are friends and allies to the player, and they STEAL from  them?! These acts of immorality are highlighted especially in the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quest lines. 

I also find the whole Daedric Prince thing and their quests kind of appalling. I mean, by the divine, They're EVIL gods! And you help them, sometimes to do things that are just horrible! One especially atrocious act is for the deadra Boethia, which requires you to sacrifice a person who TRUSTS YOU. It's bad enough to sacrifice an innocent person, but you're BETRAYING SOMEONE WHO PLACED THEIR TRUST IN YOU!!!!!! And that, I just find DISGUSTING and offensive to my very core. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if you could do quests for the Divines, the good gods of the world, but you can't; for some reason, there's only daedric quests. Speaking of which, some of the best equipment in the game is the demonic Deadra set, for which there is no good or "holy" counterpart. Now, I'm not saying Bethsesda is in to diabolism or any of that nonsense, I'm sure they aren't, but it bothers me that there is so much focus on demons and evil.

Some might say, "It doesn't matter, it's just a video game"; well, CONSIDER THIS: Art is a reflection of the values and beliefs of a society. So what does that mean of what our society values? Theft and murder? Betrayal? Wanton destruction? Immorality? Demon Worship?!!? These things have just been on my mind a lot recently, and after I saw a post (on a different site, so you know) where a guy explained how he went and killed every person in every town, just because, I decided that I just had to say something. Just what the @#$% is wrong people?!
I really enjoy Skyrim. It's freak'n epic. But as I've watched and read about the thing other people do while playing, I've realised some things. Some things I find deeply disturbing. These players go around doing some things that are just plain....awful. They go around killing innocent NPCs; Why? Because they don't like them; or they have an item they want, or just because it's "fun"? They steal from them, too, random citizens as well as these particular NPCs; these characters who are good and innocent, who are friends and allies to the player, and they STEAL from  them?! These acts of immorality are highlighted especially in the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quest lines. 

I also find the whole Daedric Prince thing and their quests kind of appalling. I mean, by the divine, They're EVIL gods! And you help them, sometimes to do things that are just horrible! One especially atrocious act is for the deadra Boethia, which requires you to sacrifice a person who TRUSTS YOU. It's bad enough to sacrifice an innocent person, but you're BETRAYING SOMEONE WHO PLACED THEIR TRUST IN YOU!!!!!! And that, I just find DISGUSTING and offensive to my very core. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if you could do quests for the Divines, the good gods of the world, but you can't; for some reason, there's only daedric quests. Speaking of which, some of the best equipment in the game is the demonic Deadra set, for which there is no good or "holy" counterpart. Now, I'm not saying Bethsesda is in to diabolism or any of that nonsense, I'm sure they aren't, but it bothers me that there is so much focus on demons and evil.

Some might say, "It doesn't matter, it's just a video game"; well, CONSIDER THIS: Art is a reflection of the values and beliefs of a society. So what does that mean of what our society values? Theft and murder? Betrayal? Wanton destruction? Immorality? Demon Worship?!!? These things have just been on my mind a lot recently, and after I saw a post (on a different site, so you know) where a guy explained how he went and killed every person in every town, just because, I decided that I just had to say something. Just what the @#$% is wrong people?!
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Yeah, this one guy called me a peasant so I killed his guard as he fled into the ocean leaving his new fiancé who I couldn't find.
Yeah, this one guy called me a peasant so I killed his guard as he fled into the ocean leaving his new fiancé who I couldn't find.
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Uh, not sound rude, but I don't see quite how that relates to what I'm saying here....
Uh, not sound rude, but I don't see quite how that relates to what I'm saying here....
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Yes as do I watch skyrim videos and see these actions.I find them very disturbing what they do,but what I do find is that they do is for a reason.I still think they should not.   Have a good day,Kaleb
Yes as do I watch skyrim videos and see these actions.I find them very disturbing what they do,but what I do find is that they do is for a reason.I still think they should not.   Have a good day,Kaleb
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It is just a game though.
In hitman bloodmoney, i would see how many people i could kill unnoticed.
In skyrim i have a chest full of thousands of stolen jewelry pieces.
Morality dosent really come into it.

It is just a game though.
In hitman bloodmoney, i would see how many people i could kill unnoticed.
In skyrim i have a chest full of thousands of stolen jewelry pieces.
Morality dosent really come into it.

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I like to be the "nice guy" in video games when given the chance to chose good or bad.
I like to be the "nice guy" in video games when given the chance to chose good or bad.
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You make valid points, but I believe that Skyrim is a very fun game!  I respect your opinion, but I think in the complete opposite direction.  I think it's alright, because I don't see how Morality issues could come into a game.  Sure, there's Cannibalism, Daedric Worshipping, etc., but that's why there's a rating system.  I guess you can call me one of those people, but you don't see me running around in real life eating people, worshipping Satan, and killing everyone just because.  It's a game, not to be taken seriously.
You make valid points, but I believe that Skyrim is a very fun game!  I respect your opinion, but I think in the complete opposite direction.  I think it's alright, because I don't see how Morality issues could come into a game.  Sure, there's Cannibalism, Daedric Worshipping, etc., but that's why there's a rating system.  I guess you can call me one of those people, but you don't see me running around in real life eating people, worshipping Satan, and killing everyone just because.  It's a game, not to be taken seriously.
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I wish you all could understand why I take this seriously. What bothers me is the fact that people would want to do these things. killing people in a video game  because it's an objective is understandable (unless that game is asking you to murder innocents) or even as an in-game challenge, but doing because your'e a sadistic @#$% is what bothers me. And what bothers me even more is that people are so callous to it all. It's not just a game; the idea of killing and robbing good people with a complete lack of compassion is the problem here.
It doesn't matter if your'e a christian, as a HUMAN BEING, you should care when the value of life is degraded, whether in reality or in a video game.

I wish you all could understand why I take this seriously. What bothers me is the fact that people would want to do these things. killing people in a video game  because it's an objective is understandable (unless that game is asking you to murder innocents) or even as an in-game challenge, but doing because your'e a sadistic @#$% is what bothers me. And what bothers me even more is that people are so callous to it all. It's not just a game; the idea of killing and robbing good people with a complete lack of compassion is the problem here.
It doesn't matter if your'e a christian, as a HUMAN BEING, you should care when the value of life is degraded, whether in reality or in a video game.

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scripturally, you don't have to commit the act for real physically, entertaining the act in your heart is just as wrong.  


Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Playing games where you do such things is entertaining on it in your heart making you guilty of those very acts.
scripturally, you don't have to commit the act for real physically, entertaining the act in your heart is just as wrong.  


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But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Playing games where you do such things is entertaining on it in your heart making you guilty of those very acts.
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I play video games for that exact reason, I can do things that I can't do in real life. Do my actions reflect how I am as a person? Of course not. And when you do something bad/illegal in Skyrim, there are generally guards on your tail almost immediately. It's not like there's no consequences.
I play video games for that exact reason, I can do things that I can't do in real life. Do my actions reflect how I am as a person? Of course not. And when you do something bad/illegal in Skyrim, there are generally guards on your tail almost immediately. It's not like there's no consequences.
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I think your issue stems from not realizing that some people do this not to be a sadistic person. A lot of people are fully capable of not seeing their actions as killing innocent people, but killing mere computer programs. From what I can see, you have trouble with separating programs from real people. Not everyone who does this is 'killing innocents' in their minds. They know that these things are not real, and are performing actions on digital programs, and nothing more. 99.9% of those people who make those videos would have real moral issues with doing this in real life. People need to stop interpreting video game actions as some deep desire. People can separate the difference between sprites and human beings. Sure, there is the very small minority that can't, but you can't apply that to everyone.
I think your issue stems from not realizing that some people do this not to be a sadistic person. A lot of people are fully capable of not seeing their actions as killing innocent people, but killing mere computer programs. From what I can see, you have trouble with separating programs from real people. Not everyone who does this is 'killing innocents' in their minds. They know that these things are not real, and are performing actions on digital programs, and nothing more. 99.9% of those people who make those videos would have real moral issues with doing this in real life. People need to stop interpreting video game actions as some deep desire. People can separate the difference between sprites and human beings. Sure, there is the very small minority that can't, but you can't apply that to everyone.
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Skyrim is a game where you make the decisions, if you want to do something morally questionable, you can and will do that. If you are sadistic and careless, your character is that way.

Besides, it's just a video game, it can't and won't affect people. Even if you do that stuff, it's not like you really did it, it didn't actually happen.
Skyrim is a game where you make the decisions, if you want to do something morally questionable, you can and will do that. If you are sadistic and careless, your character is that way.

Besides, it's just a video game, it can't and won't affect people. Even if you do that stuff, it's not like you really did it, it didn't actually happen.
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One of the trophies/achievemennts for Skyrim is to have a bounty of 1000+ gold in each of the nine holds. I did some pretty unspeakable things to achieve that. I am the leader of the Dark Brotherhood, the Theives guild and the leader of the Companions, and I have all of the Daedric weapons. So I'm a hired assassin, a money-hungry thief, and a werewolf who is going to be a beast in the afterlife for eternity, and I carry out heinous tasks for evil demon masters in order to gain more powerful weapons. No one woman should be as evil and bloodthirsty as my Skyrim character is.

In other words, I'm nothing like the video game characters I roleplay as. I agree completely with epicamazing and Xepharia. xD
One of the trophies/achievemennts for Skyrim is to have a bounty of 1000+ gold in each of the nine holds. I did some pretty unspeakable things to achieve that. I am the leader of the Dark Brotherhood, the Theives guild and the leader of the Companions, and I have all of the Daedric weapons. So I'm a hired assassin, a money-hungry thief, and a werewolf who is going to be a beast in the afterlife for eternity, and I carry out heinous tasks for evil demon masters in order to gain more powerful weapons. No one woman should be as evil and bloodthirsty as my Skyrim character is.

In other words, I'm nothing like the video game characters I roleplay as. I agree completely with epicamazing and Xepharia. xD
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Annette : I don't know. Like the painting analogy suggests, your character is just a reflection of your inner most desires. You are probably a twisted murderous soul under your sweet exterior
Annette : I don't know. Like the painting analogy suggests, your character is just a reflection of your inner most desires. You are probably a twisted murderous soul under your sweet exterior
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It's not really wrong to do any of those things, as you are not doing them to real people, as you said they're NPCs, not human beings, they're just programmed 3D models to act as though they are real, but I find it just plain stupid to kill random people, as it is realistic you get a bad reputation for stealing and killing if you get caught. The daedric gods are just plain stupid in my opinion, as they make you really do things for them unlike the others that you don't have to do quests for. 
It's not really wrong to do any of those things, as you are not doing them to real people, as you said they're NPCs, not human beings, they're just programmed 3D models to act as though they are real, but I find it just plain stupid to kill random people, as it is realistic you get a bad reputation for stealing and killing if you get caught. The daedric gods are just plain stupid in my opinion, as they make you really do things for them unlike the others that you don't have to do quests for. 
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Honestly it's just a game. People read to much into this stuff. Just because people do awful things in a fake world, doesn't mean they do them in real life. Maybe this is their way of blowing off steam.

Some people listen to loud music, some people like to go and ride a bike..and some people probably like doing crazy things on video games because they are bored. Also, keep in mind that many of the people doing this are doing so for views on the internet to make money...they got you to watch, right? Also many of them are immature and like to irritate people.

What's worse someone going around and messing with NPC's on a single player quest or someone swearing and yelling racist comments over an online FPS? lol
Honestly it's just a game. People read to much into this stuff. Just because people do awful things in a fake world, doesn't mean they do them in real life. Maybe this is their way of blowing off steam.

Some people listen to loud music, some people like to go and ride a bike..and some people probably like doing crazy things on video games because they are bored. Also, keep in mind that many of the people doing this are doing so for views on the internet to make money...they got you to watch, right? Also many of them are immature and like to irritate people.

What's worse someone going around and messing with NPC's on a single player quest or someone swearing and yelling racist comments over an online FPS? lol
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In real life I'm a gentle caring person.

Online I'm a jerk to some but I'm really just fair.

In Skyrim... I'm a mass murdering psychopath who fights dragons with his bare fists.

So which am I really?
In real life I'm a gentle caring person.

Online I'm a jerk to some but I'm really just fair.

In Skyrim... I'm a mass murdering psychopath who fights dragons with his bare fists.

So which am I really?
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Pokemon - You go around taking wild animals and forcing them to fight. Rated E, nobody has any problems with it.

Super Mario Bros - While "rescuing" a princess, you kill innocent turtles, duck-like-things, and many other creatures while doing shrooms and using pyrotechnics.

Sonic the Hedgehog - You're ruining a great inventors chance at the start of an industrialization age.

Asassin's Creed - Basic anarchy against a powerful empire.

Kirby - YOU KILL EVERYTHING MERCILESSLY.

Shall I go on? Your issue about "Morality" in Skyrim amuses me.
Pokemon - You go around taking wild animals and forcing them to fight. Rated E, nobody has any problems with it.

Super Mario Bros - While "rescuing" a princess, you kill innocent turtles, duck-like-things, and many other creatures while doing shrooms and using pyrotechnics.

Sonic the Hedgehog - You're ruining a great inventors chance at the start of an industrialization age.

Asassin's Creed - Basic anarchy against a powerful empire.

Kirby - YOU KILL EVERYTHING MERCILESSLY.

Shall I go on? Your issue about "Morality" in Skyrim amuses me.
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MegaRevolution1 :   To say no one has a problem with pokemon isn't quite true.  It was massively protested nationwide when it first reached the USA.  Major groups numbering millions worldwide still carry forward bans on the game and cartoons to this day.

I don't play SMB due to the magic, but those creatures aren't innocent.  They are vile voodoo witches aiding a spell casting dragon in the kidnap of a princess.  So...the creatures are far from innocent.

Robotnik is not trying to bring about an industrial age, he is trying to conquer and dominate the whole world.  So, he isn't some innocent guy trying bring some beneficial change either.
MegaRevolution1 :   To say no one has a problem with pokemon isn't quite true.  It was massively protested nationwide when it first reached the USA.  Major groups numbering millions worldwide still carry forward bans on the game and cartoons to this day.

I don't play SMB due to the magic, but those creatures aren't innocent.  They are vile voodoo witches aiding a spell casting dragon in the kidnap of a princess.  So...the creatures are far from innocent.

Robotnik is not trying to bring about an industrial age, he is trying to conquer and dominate the whole world.  So, he isn't some innocent guy trying bring some beneficial change either.
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jasonkelli : Well, I guess I can't really argue against the Pokemon part, but the others were an example of how a person's perspective can truly change an "innocent" game into something awful, much like your perspective of Super Mario Bros. Do you seriously think that me, someone who has taken over the title of Vizzed's #1 Sonic the Hedgehog Fan for almost 3 years now, would seriously consider that example of perspective true, Nya~?
jasonkelli : Well, I guess I can't really argue against the Pokemon part, but the others were an example of how a person's perspective can truly change an "innocent" game into something awful, much like your perspective of Super Mario Bros. Do you seriously think that me, someone who has taken over the title of Vizzed's #1 Sonic the Hedgehog Fan for almost 3 years now, would seriously consider that example of perspective true, Nya~?
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