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Was Helter Skelter the first metal song?

 
Was Helter Skelter the first metal song?
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Maybe
 
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What?
 
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I think that it was, because it was the first song to have such a beat and feeling about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfkVGCU_BA
I think that it was, because it was the first song to have such a beat and feeling about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfkVGCU_BA
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Yes, I think it was. Even though it wasnt made by a meatl rock band [It was originally by the beatles right? Makin sure] it was one of my favorite songs from them, and my only favorite metal song.

I chose yes cause I truly believe it was the first.
Yes, I think it was. Even though it wasnt made by a meatl rock band [It was originally by the beatles right? Makin sure] it was one of my favorite songs from them, and my only favorite metal song.

I chose yes cause I truly believe it was the first.
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yeah i believe it was.it had a feeling to it that made it feel like metal.
yeah i believe it was.it had a feeling to it that made it feel like metal.
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No, this song is hard rock at most. The first heavy metal song was Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akt3awj_Ah8
No, this song is hard rock at most. The first heavy metal song was Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akt3awj_Ah8
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Metal_25 : Maybe so, but this is "first" metal song, not strongest.

Anyways, I'll say maybe, only because I don't like metal music, and this isn't my favorite Beatles song, so it's a possibility. But The Beatles weren't really metal, but maybe this inspired the "Angry Music" with the whole Charles Manson thing. Very interesting, and definately a possibility. The Beatles also inspired a lot of different types of music, so it's possible. But it's not exactly certain.

It's very complicated. XD

I'm surprised I haven't found this thread yet, seeing as it was made almost a month ago. And I am obviously Vizzed's #1 Beatles Fan. =D
Metal_25 : Maybe so, but this is "first" metal song, not strongest.

Anyways, I'll say maybe, only because I don't like metal music, and this isn't my favorite Beatles song, so it's a possibility. But The Beatles weren't really metal, but maybe this inspired the "Angry Music" with the whole Charles Manson thing. Very interesting, and definately a possibility. The Beatles also inspired a lot of different types of music, so it's possible. But it's not exactly certain.

It's very complicated. XD

I'm surprised I haven't found this thread yet, seeing as it was made almost a month ago. And I am obviously Vizzed's #1 Beatles Fan. =D
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Robert7 : But the Beatles song isn't even heavy metal. It just isn't really that heavy. It has somewhat of an amount of heaviness, but that is only enough for it to be hard rock. The first band to play an actual heavy metal song was Black Sabbath and anything else before was just a slight prototype that would truly fall under hard rock, acid rock, classic rock, psychedelic rock, etc. And that song I linked was far from being the heaviest.
Robert7 : But the Beatles song isn't even heavy metal. It just isn't really that heavy. It has somewhat of an amount of heaviness, but that is only enough for it to be hard rock. The first band to play an actual heavy metal song was Black Sabbath and anything else before was just a slight prototype that would truly fall under hard rock, acid rock, classic rock, psychedelic rock, etc. And that song I linked was far from being the heaviest.
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Metal_25 : But you don't understand: the FIRST metal song. Even if it's not heavy, we're talking first.

For instance, Orville and Wilbur Wright made the first airplane. Even though it only flew for 12 seconds, it was the first airplane.
Metal_25 : But you don't understand: the FIRST metal song. Even if it's not heavy, we're talking first.

For instance, Orville and Wilbur Wright made the first airplane. Even though it only flew for 12 seconds, it was the first airplane.
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Metal_25 : Yeah, we're just talking about metal in general. This is my favorite Beatles song.
Metal_25 : Yeah, we're just talking about metal in general. This is my favorite Beatles song.
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What are you two talking about ? Heavy metal is the full name for "metal"... Again, the Beatles song is hard rock at most.
What are you two talking about ? Heavy metal is the full name for "metal"... Again, the Beatles song is hard rock at most.
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alexanyways : What are you talking about alex? I thought it was I am the Walrus.
alexanyways : What are you talking about alex? I thought it was I am the Walrus.
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Robert7 : It's close, but I like Helter Skelter a bit more. I wouldn't even say that Helter Skelter is my favorite either, but Get Back is probably it.

Metal_25 : No it isn't, silly guy named metal...
Robert7 : It's close, but I like Helter Skelter a bit more. I wouldn't even say that Helter Skelter is my favorite either, but Get Back is probably it.

Metal_25 : No it isn't, silly guy named metal...
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alexanyways : Are you kidding me, of course it is. I think you are confusing the word "heavy" with "extreme". Neither the Beatles nor Black Sabbath song are extreme metal, though (although Black Sabbath's first three albums were the proto-type for doom metal).
alexanyways : Are you kidding me, of course it is. I think you are confusing the word "heavy" with "extreme". Neither the Beatles nor Black Sabbath song are extreme metal, though (although Black Sabbath's first three albums were the proto-type for doom metal).
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i say there is no way that helter skelter is even a metal song. It's just hard rock at the most
i say there is no way that helter skelter is even a metal song. It's just hard rock at the most
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ah, c'mon Black Sabbath is the first metal song!
ah, c'mon Black Sabbath is the first metal song!
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OzzyE5150 : But, Black Sabbath is a band, not a song. I bet you Black Sabbath wouldn't exist if it weren't for the tone of Helter Skelter.
OzzyE5150 : But, Black Sabbath is a band, not a song. I bet you Black Sabbath wouldn't exist if it weren't for the tone of Helter Skelter.
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alexanyways : I meant the first song, on their first record, called...black sabbath
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEoN5Nx4u0w&feature=related)
Of course their basic influences are The Beatles,Cream,Led Zeppelin and the blues. There were heavy songs before black sabbath that had this almost-metal feeling (check the vincebus erruptum album by blue cheer), but the first real metal record is the first Black Sabbath -it's a fact in the metal community
alexanyways : I meant the first song, on their first record, called...black sabbath
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEoN5Nx4u0w&feature=related)
Of course their basic influences are The Beatles,Cream,Led Zeppelin and the blues. There were heavy songs before black sabbath that had this almost-metal feeling (check the vincebus erruptum album by blue cheer), but the first real metal record is the first Black Sabbath -it's a fact in the metal community
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OzzyE5150 : Thank you!!!! People who aren't actual metalheads don't understand what true metal is. I can see you have actual knowledge.
OzzyE5150 : Thank you!!!! People who aren't actual metalheads don't understand what true metal is. I can see you have actual knowledge.
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Metal_25 : yeah, what I was tryin' to say was that the "if it wasn't for the tone of..." will lead us to classical music and then to the roots of music -it's just an endless chain
And finally, the first song combining all the characteristics of a metal song was Black Sabbath (or any other song on the album, this is just track#1 I think Wicked World was the first they wrote and it's the last track on the record!)
Metal_25 : yeah, what I was tryin' to say was that the "if it wasn't for the tone of..." will lead us to classical music and then to the roots of music -it's just an endless chain
And finally, the first song combining all the characteristics of a metal song was Black Sabbath (or any other song on the album, this is just track#1 I think Wicked World was the first they wrote and it's the last track on the record!)
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I think so. It had a somewhat heavy metal beat to it. It's also one of my favorite Beatles songs.
I think so. It had a somewhat heavy metal beat to it. It's also one of my favorite Beatles songs.
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Only Beatles song I really care for.
Only Beatles song I really care for.
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Helter Skelter really sounds more like proto-punk than metal (listen to The Stooges if you don't know what proto-punk is). It's a great song and probably inspired metal, but it itself isn't metal. Just as everyone else has said, Black Sabbath are the fathers of metal. But alexanyways, it's cool that you noticed the similarity. It definitely can be argued that the song was one of the roots to metal.
Helter Skelter really sounds more like proto-punk than metal (listen to The Stooges if you don't know what proto-punk is). It's a great song and probably inspired metal, but it itself isn't metal. Just as everyone else has said, Black Sabbath are the fathers of metal. But alexanyways, it's cool that you noticed the similarity. It definitely can be argued that the song was one of the roots to metal.
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StewartofGondor : There is some speculation that another band was the true Godfathers of metal, but Black Sabbath is the most accepted. Besides, good band anyway.
StewartofGondor : There is some speculation that another band was the true Godfathers of metal, but Black Sabbath is the most accepted. Besides, good band anyway.
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I dont know but definatly going to look this up
I dont know but definatly going to look this up
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It can definitely be argued, that's for certain. However, I believe that this is a hard question to answer. Who was the first rock and roll musician/song? To answer that question, we would first need to determine what rock and roll really is. Some people have a strict definition of rock music, some don't. Frankly, it's very hard to just name one tiny (possibly 2-3 minute song) as the beginning of rock.

Think about it. Rock music formed as an amalgamation from the fusion of black music (R&B, Blues, etc.) and white music (Country, Honky Tonk, etc.) and bam, rock and roll. All of these genres can be found on Elvis Presley's debut album from 1956.

Point is, we should not think of the birth of any movement (whether musical, artistic, whatever) to one point. It's like reading poetry. I may get something out of a poem that may be completely different from another reader.

Let's just give credit to the people who we know were most responsible. You can say that "Helter Skelter" is heavy metal, however, what followed? It may coincidentally have some qualities of heavy metal, but when I think of heavy metal, "Black Sabbath" by Black Sabbath is the first thing that comes into mind. There's no debating that that is heavy metal.

The atmosphere complete with the sounds of rain and eerie church bells followed by that simple but memorable guitar riff (you know the one), which leads way into Ozzy's signature vocals and Satatastic (yes) lyrics. To me, that is metal.
It can definitely be argued, that's for certain. However, I believe that this is a hard question to answer. Who was the first rock and roll musician/song? To answer that question, we would first need to determine what rock and roll really is. Some people have a strict definition of rock music, some don't. Frankly, it's very hard to just name one tiny (possibly 2-3 minute song) as the beginning of rock.

Think about it. Rock music formed as an amalgamation from the fusion of black music (R&B, Blues, etc.) and white music (Country, Honky Tonk, etc.) and bam, rock and roll. All of these genres can be found on Elvis Presley's debut album from 1956.

Point is, we should not think of the birth of any movement (whether musical, artistic, whatever) to one point. It's like reading poetry. I may get something out of a poem that may be completely different from another reader.

Let's just give credit to the people who we know were most responsible. You can say that "Helter Skelter" is heavy metal, however, what followed? It may coincidentally have some qualities of heavy metal, but when I think of heavy metal, "Black Sabbath" by Black Sabbath is the first thing that comes into mind. There's no debating that that is heavy metal.

The atmosphere complete with the sounds of rain and eerie church bells followed by that simple but memorable guitar riff (you know the one), which leads way into Ozzy's signature vocals and Satatastic (yes) lyrics. To me, that is metal.
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The sound was very very heavy for the time. So for all the people saying it was very heavy you are right and wrong. Now a days its nothing but hard rock. Back then though it was quit the heavy song, especially for the Beatles. But was it the first metal song. No. Steppenwolf's song Born to be Wild came out the same year. This song was the song the term Heavy Metal came from.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdiWEmTpwCY). Also Jimi Hindrix was out before Helter Skelter ever was all of his song are very "Metal" and then there is what I believe to be the first "metal" band before metal was around. THE DOORS! Listen to there songs, look at the attitude.

Not to say that it was not a very large influence on metal. I don't know how much Beatles Black Sabbath listened to. I know back in those days over in England it was either you listened to The Rolling Stones or The Beatles. And the Rolling Stones were the bad ass of that time.(before The Doors came around)
The sound was very very heavy for the time. So for all the people saying it was very heavy you are right and wrong. Now a days its nothing but hard rock. Back then though it was quit the heavy song, especially for the Beatles. But was it the first metal song. No. Steppenwolf's song Born to be Wild came out the same year. This song was the song the term Heavy Metal came from.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdiWEmTpwCY). Also Jimi Hindrix was out before Helter Skelter ever was all of his song are very "Metal" and then there is what I believe to be the first "metal" band before metal was around. THE DOORS! Listen to there songs, look at the attitude.

Not to say that it was not a very large influence on metal. I don't know how much Beatles Black Sabbath listened to. I know back in those days over in England it was either you listened to The Rolling Stones or The Beatles. And the Rolling Stones were the bad ass of that time.(before The Doors came around)
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The First metal Song Is Kick Out The jams By Mc5
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Hmm... I doubt it was the very first. It sounds very much like hard rock, and maybe even a little grunge-like. Metal or not, it's still a great song.
Hmm... I doubt it was the very first. It sounds very much like hard rock, and maybe even a little grunge-like. Metal or not, it's still a great song.
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Actually I believe the first heavy metal song ever was a song called Plastic Thunder by a band called Bitter Creek in 1967. It's a very rare song and possibly the only recording of the band.
Actually I believe the first heavy metal song ever was a song called Plastic Thunder by a band called Bitter Creek in 1967. It's a very rare song and possibly the only recording of the band.
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Coven - Black Sabbath from their album Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls 1969
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBHmxpx9qiw&feature=related
Blue Cheer - "Summertime Blues" 1968
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5uDozoSSM
Iron Butterfly - In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida 1968
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZYe1bbl3A&feature=related
Coven - Black Sabbath from their album Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls 1969
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBHmxpx9qiw&feature=related
Blue Cheer - "Summertime Blues" 1968
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5uDozoSSM
Iron Butterfly - In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida 1968
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZYe1bbl3A&feature=related
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alexanyways : Then Angel witch and Witch Finder General follow Sabbath sound and vocals.
alexanyways : Then Angel witch and Witch Finder General follow Sabbath sound and vocals.
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I say that metal is an attitude and something that gets your head banging and gets you on a music hype.
In answer to the question I said maybe because if according to what I just said, then I would go as far back as Vivaldi's Summer but if you consider dark lyrics and heavy guitar metal then that's your view of things.
I like how it was compared to poetry; you can have different interpretations and I agree with that.
I say that metal is an attitude and something that gets your head banging and gets you on a music hype.
In answer to the question I said maybe because if according to what I just said, then I would go as far back as Vivaldi's Summer but if you consider dark lyrics and heavy guitar metal then that's your view of things.
I like how it was compared to poetry; you can have different interpretations and I agree with that.
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