The Xbox 360 looks like a pc tower sorta. But still I find it funny. Will probably be a while before we have much more to talk about any of the three next gen systems.

I dunno, PS3 looks like a sham, how on earth could the graphics look THAT good in real time?!

Its not a sham. Graphics made a huge jump from last gen...

Shah FANBOY REMLEE When they were exibiting the ps2 at E3 they showed videos that were unreal too. Then when the games started rolling out everyone knew the truth. Even DC had better graphics.

Now at the E3 did they show you the system while the video was being played? Cuz if not they used the emulator they use to test games on a computer and the top of the line cumputers they use have better cards then the PS2. Otherwise they were videos made to show HOW powerful it was and WHAT it could do.





DC, PS1, X-Box games all would have much better graphics if there were a stronger graphics card in them. You have to remember that the system isn't used to create the game but a computer with much more power then the system itself.

I'm sorta jumping in mid-conversation here, but theoretically, would it be possible to change out the video card in one of those systems and essentially upgrade it?

Theoretically.....probly not on most consoles(unless you really know what your doing). Im pretty confident that most consoles system boards are proprietary and you wouldn't be able to upgrade the video card. Xbox might be an exception, ive seen power boxes or upgraded xboxes, although I have no idea if the video card is actually upgraded on those or not.


Remlees right, when making game trailers,previews, the actual game and etc they use high end video/graphic workstations usually capable of displaying much higher graphics and resolutions than the actual console.


I would think being proprietary the system is optimized to use whatever GPU is already in it and other changes would have to be made to take full advantage of an upgraded GPU, but blah.

Sure would be interesting to pull off... But would that actually change the quality of the graphics in a game? Or would it just make them run smoother or something? For example if someone managed to upgrade the card in, like, a PS2 or whatever, would the characters' textures in FFX-2 suddenly blend better? Smoother camera transitions?



It's just something I've never thought of before, so now I'm really curious.

In brief yes but it depends on what created the things. It wouldnt change it from like Legend of Zelda:OOT into Half Life 2. It'd probably blend better. It'd just make them look sharper and how it looked when it was made on the more pwoerful machine if the card is equal or weaker.


If you were rich enough or knew them you most likely could ask sony for a more powerful video card for the PS2. I'm sure the owners of Sony don't use ur average PS2... infact they probably don't even use a PS2...(yea thats right... they probably have a computer with PS2 software all built into it ... god i wish i had that....)

Evil plan hatching... I just might have to try that, LOL Thanks Rem

Well tis still not that simple. You would need a card that can fit in the slot and inside of the ps2 itself. well. Or an adapter to the slot that changes it to a PCi slot(your much better bet). However even then it'd have to be an onboard video card and most good video cards areant onboard... or you'd have to use a moniteror buy the adapter to put it on TV but even then you lose quality thru the adapter so it'd be wasted...

Most consoles use integrated onboard GPU's and your simply not going to be able to change that. Onboard GPU's dont have slots they're soldered onto the system board. So good luck in any project you undertake but from the looks of it odds are against you..

Yeah I don't know as much but I don't think they would really have it so it was easy at all. Yeah MM is right it is probably saldered? (I thought it was Soudered?) on. And yeah you wouldn't see a huge jump graphic wise because it can't put more ploygons or effects in. I don't really know if it would be worth the time or money.

Well... souddering is easy... to an extent... i mean they souder mod chips onto xboxs which is why it can destroy the system... the problem would be not damaging the mother etc... then figutring a way to make he PS2 to look at that for graphics.

Although im betting the game medias textures are only of certain quality too. Soldering isn't too hard, but you would also have to remove the chip and have a replacement. Xbox mod chips involve very little soldering, i'd still be afraid to do it though, I dont personally have very much soldering(sp?) experience.

Well finding a replacement was the thing I thought would be hard. I thought it was spelled Soudering or Saudering whichever. But I wouldn't see the point in doing that because like we have more or less agreed on the game can only look so good because of how it's built. It is built to obtain optimum performance on the hardware the PS2 (or any other system for that matter) has. So framerate would probably be better but as we have said graphics wouldn't change much.

well in the case of FF11 it could because i doubt they designed two completely different for PC and PS2... tho actually now that i put much thught into it you would need to adjust the bios to use the full power of the card for any sharper graphics so it wouldn't work....

hey ppl can anyone get me the ps3 specs plz

Processor

-Cell Processor

1 x PowerPC-base Core (PPE) @3.2GHz

1 VMX vector unit per core

512KiB L2 cache

7 x SPE @3.2GHz

7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs

7 x 256KiB SRAM for SPE

* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy

total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

234 million transistors







Graphics Processing Unit

-RSX @550MHz

136 shader Ops per clock

1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance

Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels

Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
>300 million transistors

--It will support DirectX 9, Shader Models 3, or it's equivalent in OpenGL
Has 24 pipelines, equivalent to the G70 (assumed)



RAM

-256MiB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz

256MiB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

Memory is fully shared between CPU and GPU



Sound

-Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-base processing)



System Bandwidth

-Main RAM 25.6GiB/s

VRAM 22.4GiB/s

20GiB/s (write) + 15GiB/s (read) link between CPU and GPU

[color=blue]SB 2.5GiB/s (write) + 2.5GiB/s (read)



System Floating Point Performance

-2 TFLOPS



I/O

-USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)

Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1

SD standard/mini x 1

CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1



Communication

-Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)

x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)

Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g

Bluetooth Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)



Controller

-Bluetooth (up to 7)

USB2.0 (wired)

Wi-Fi (PSP)

Network (over IP)



AV Output

-Screen size 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

HDMI out x 2

Analog AV MULTI OUT x 1

Digital audio DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

DVI out


Removable Media Optical Drive

-CD

PlayStation CD-ROM * read only

PlayStation 2 CD-ROM

CD-DA CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW

SACD SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD

DualDisc DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)


DVD

PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM

PLAYSTATION 3 DVD-ROM

DVD-Video DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW


Blu-ray Disc
PLAYSTATION 3 BD-ROM

BD-Video BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

-Blu-Ray media has 5x the storage as DVD

Blu-Ray Drive has 5x data transfer rates as DVD

Blu-Ray Drive can read Blu-Ray, DVD, and CD media.


Hard Disk Drive

-Optional, detachable HDD (unknown size)

80GB or more in size(rumor)


Programming

-CG shader language support

Collada XML support for PS3’s art assets interchange

OpenGL ES 2.0 support for applications programming interface for 3-D graphics

OpenMAX, a collection of fast, cross-platform tools for general "media
acceleration," such as matrix calculations.

OpenVG, for hardware-accelerated 2D vector graphics.