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Homosexuality... is it a choice?

 

06-27-10 10:10 PM
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Zamiel : How am I judging them again?
Zamiel : How am I judging them again?
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mdynasty926 : You were basing your opinion of whether being gay is a choice off of a small amount of people.
mdynasty926 : You were basing your opinion of whether being gay is a choice off of a small amount of people.
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Zamiel : Well no, it's not like I based my opinion during that one post.
Not only the whole "phases" thing, but I also don't see how it isn't a choice exactly. I don't see how you can genetically be attracted to the same sex. You have to be taught these things or your environment gives you that sort of mindset or feeling to do so. I don't think people can be born gay. Is it possible? And even if it is, isn't it possible to change? If straight people choose to be gay, then can't gay people choose to be straight too?
Zamiel : Well no, it's not like I based my opinion during that one post.
Not only the whole "phases" thing, but I also don't see how it isn't a choice exactly. I don't see how you can genetically be attracted to the same sex. You have to be taught these things or your environment gives you that sort of mindset or feeling to do so. I don't think people can be born gay. Is it possible? And even if it is, isn't it possible to change? If straight people choose to be gay, then can't gay people choose to be straight too?
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mdynasty926 : I don't want you to think that I was mad or anything...cause I wasn't lol.

"If straight people choose to be gay, then can't gay people choose to be straight too?"
Can straight people choose to be gay? I've never heard of that.

I think it's as much of a choice as what your personality is. So the real question is is your personality a choice?
mdynasty926 : I don't want you to think that I was mad or anything...cause I wasn't lol.

"If straight people choose to be gay, then can't gay people choose to be straight too?"
Can straight people choose to be gay? I've never heard of that.

I think it's as much of a choice as what your personality is. So the real question is is your personality a choice?
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Zamiel :
"If straight people choose to be gay, then can't gay people choose to be straight too?"
Can straight people choose to be gay? I've never heard of that.

Yes. I've met people who did that as a choice, actually.
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"If straight people choose to be gay, then can't gay people choose to be straight too?"
Can straight people choose to be gay? I've never heard of that.

Yes. I've met people who did that as a choice, actually.
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Zamiel : Lol oh ok XD
Well, idk about straight people choosing to be gay(hence the thread being made.) but I've always thought it was like that and not that people were stuck with being gay from the beginning.
Personality is a choice in my opinion. You choose how you act, how you treat people, etc.
Zamiel : Lol oh ok XD
Well, idk about straight people choosing to be gay(hence the thread being made.) but I've always thought it was like that and not that people were stuck with being gay from the beginning.
Personality is a choice in my opinion. You choose how you act, how you treat people, etc.
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Crawldragon : So they went out and fell in love with someone of the same sex?

mdynasty926 : Yes there are some parts of your personality that you can change but when you go against a part of it that is strong part of you do you actually feel right acting differently?
Crawldragon : So they went out and fell in love with someone of the same sex?

mdynasty926 : Yes there are some parts of your personality that you can change but when you go against a part of it that is strong part of you do you actually feel right acting differently?
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Zamiel : The one time someone was open enough to tell me the reasons behind the decision was a man who started dating other men just because he was "done with women." Apparently he got legally cheated by a woman for money.
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Crawldragon : Touche lol.

That alone does not prove the rest of the gay community made the choice to be gay (I use the word gay since it's a lot shorter than homosexual XD).
Crawldragon : Touche lol.

That alone does not prove the rest of the gay community made the choice to be gay (I use the word gay since it's a lot shorter than homosexual XD).
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Zamiel : No. I was just pointing out that it has happened.
Zamiel : No. I was just pointing out that it has happened.
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I dont know. But I knew this kid that since kindergarten was a little "different". (I dont think I even knew what a homosexual was until 2nd grade) But After 4th-5th grade every other guy in the school started to call him gay and pick on him all the time. So Im sure if being gay was his choice, he would of quickly changed his prior choice. But he didnt, last time I saw him(2 years ago) he was still doing his thing.
I dont know. But I knew this kid that since kindergarten was a little "different". (I dont think I even knew what a homosexual was until 2nd grade) But After 4th-5th grade every other guy in the school started to call him gay and pick on him all the time. So Im sure if being gay was his choice, he would of quickly changed his prior choice. But he didnt, last time I saw him(2 years ago) he was still doing his thing.
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Here is probably the best proof homosexuality is a choice:
If some people were meant to be gay, then human sexual parts would be made so that gay sex would work without causing harm or needing (for the females' case) outside objects to simulate it. Why would people be unable to change it if you can't actually do it right?
Here is probably the best proof homosexuality is a choice:
If some people were meant to be gay, then human sexual parts would be made so that gay sex would work without causing harm or needing (for the females' case) outside objects to simulate it. Why would people be unable to change it if you can't actually do it right?
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bignatealpha : Well, I don't think that this is a solid proof, that homosexuality is a choice, because also heterosexual "actions" causing harm(especially to females), so whenever a guy involves into those kind of "actions" (I don't want to use the "s" word, since most members are underage, so I use "action" instead), somebody will get "hurt" either it's female or male!
As long as the "female's case" that you've mentioned, not all of them use those things, as far as I know.

Anyway, I think that it's neither a choice nor it's predetermined before birth. I think that the truth lies between them.

Btw, I want to remind you all, that we have to be very careful both with the choice of words and the thoughts that we express, so we'll not insult anybody on board

(if you think that something that I've mentioned in this post, is offensive for some people, please let me know )
bignatealpha : Well, I don't think that this is a solid proof, that homosexuality is a choice, because also heterosexual "actions" causing harm(especially to females), so whenever a guy involves into those kind of "actions" (I don't want to use the "s" word, since most members are underage, so I use "action" instead), somebody will get "hurt" either it's female or male!
As long as the "female's case" that you've mentioned, not all of them use those things, as far as I know.

Anyway, I think that it's neither a choice nor it's predetermined before birth. I think that the truth lies between them.

Btw, I want to remind you all, that we have to be very careful both with the choice of words and the thoughts that we express, so we'll not insult anybody on board

(if you think that something that I've mentioned in this post, is offensive for some people, please let me know )
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noelia : But that doesn't mean anything. There are ways for... action that don't harm either side during heterosexual interactions... but there aren't between male-on-male. And... action for females without that kind of thing doesn't work the same way. My point is, if there were to be people who would be homosexual and not have a choice about it, the human reproductive organs would be able to function man-on-man or woman-on-woman. The biological aspects of this don't fit, from either end of the spectrum: if it were due to evolutionary principles, those carrying the homosexual gene would have died out, and from the Creation perspective, God wouldn't create us so that reproduction through that method is impossible, and... action were harmful, if he were to make people who had no choice but to be homosexual. It just doesn't add up.
noelia : But that doesn't mean anything. There are ways for... action that don't harm either side during heterosexual interactions... but there aren't between male-on-male. And... action for females without that kind of thing doesn't work the same way. My point is, if there were to be people who would be homosexual and not have a choice about it, the human reproductive organs would be able to function man-on-man or woman-on-woman. The biological aspects of this don't fit, from either end of the spectrum: if it were due to evolutionary principles, those carrying the homosexual gene would have died out, and from the Creation perspective, God wouldn't create us so that reproduction through that method is impossible, and... action were harmful, if he were to make people who had no choice but to be homosexual. It just doesn't add up.
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bignatealpha : "action for females without that kind of thing doesn't work the same way" how are you so sure about that? As far as I know, you're both male and underage, so I don't think that you know those things for sure...
As long as the heterosexual "action", even the "traditional" way is harmful, sometimes (I don't want to say any further about this, since there are lots of kids here)

I respect your opinion,truly! But this doesn't mean that I have to agree with it

Anyway, I'll just abstain from this thread (from now on), since I don't want to start a flame here. So, I hope that nobody will be offended, if I don't reply to his/her summonings here
bignatealpha : "action for females without that kind of thing doesn't work the same way" how are you so sure about that? As far as I know, you're both male and underage, so I don't think that you know those things for sure...
As long as the heterosexual "action", even the "traditional" way is harmful, sometimes (I don't want to say any further about this, since there are lots of kids here)

I respect your opinion,truly! But this doesn't mean that I have to agree with it

Anyway, I'll just abstain from this thread (from now on), since I don't want to start a flame here. So, I hope that nobody will be offended, if I don't reply to his/her summonings here
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noelia : No, I understand... I'm just saying, the way humans are built, it wouldn't make sense biologically for homosexuality to not be a choice. That gene would die out, as they wouldn't be able to reproduce, and so... it doesn't work that way. It is nonsensical to believe that things would be that way.
...and you're right, but having taken an Anatomy class, I can know without having to be female or overage that it won't work in any way that will produce children. That's what I'm getting at here, if there were some biological aspect that made people stuck as homosexuals, the gene would have been lost long ago, as they can't reproduce.
noelia : No, I understand... I'm just saying, the way humans are built, it wouldn't make sense biologically for homosexuality to not be a choice. That gene would die out, as they wouldn't be able to reproduce, and so... it doesn't work that way. It is nonsensical to believe that things would be that way.
...and you're right, but having taken an Anatomy class, I can know without having to be female or overage that it won't work in any way that will produce children. That's what I'm getting at here, if there were some biological aspect that made people stuck as homosexuals, the gene would have been lost long ago, as they can't reproduce.
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Of course you can choose to be gay or not. it's not genetic, moron. you really think there's a Homosexual gene? then you are trully a fool. there's no force in exsistence that can make one homosexual, genetic or whatever. it's as much a lifestyle choice as being a vegetarian or amish.
Of course you can choose to be gay or not. it's not genetic, moron. you really think there's a Homosexual gene? then you are trully a fool. there's no force in exsistence that can make one homosexual, genetic or whatever. it's as much a lifestyle choice as being a vegetarian or amish.
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lordluigiX : Whoa dude, calm down. This place is for calm debate, not calling people morons and fools.
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noelia : He's not saying whether or not it would "hurt." He's just saying that the human body of both genders, they can't reproduce homosexually because it just doesn't work out. I mean, it would probably be... arousing to those people, but they wouldn't reproduce.

lordluigiX : what I meant was, even if it isn't genetic, there's plenty of factors that can sort of... make you want to do something that you originally would never want to do. I never thought it was genetic in the first place. I've always thought that it was a choice. You don't have to come here just to tell me that or call me a moron or something. I just want to get this straightened out with my friend so we can come to an agreement.

Sheesh... lol
noelia : He's not saying whether or not it would "hurt." He's just saying that the human body of both genders, they can't reproduce homosexually because it just doesn't work out. I mean, it would probably be... arousing to those people, but they wouldn't reproduce.

lordluigiX : what I meant was, even if it isn't genetic, there's plenty of factors that can sort of... make you want to do something that you originally would never want to do. I never thought it was genetic in the first place. I've always thought that it was a choice. You don't have to come here just to tell me that or call me a moron or something. I just want to get this straightened out with my friend so we can come to an agreement.

Sheesh... lol
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