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"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." - Leviticus 18:22





"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." - Leviticus 18:22


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I think he is referring to no 3-ways or no cheating on another man with your wife.
I think he is referring to no 3-ways or no cheating on another man with your wife.
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.... no 3-ways? Nope sorry.

What it means is don't lie with a man in the same way you lie with a woman. IE. Don't be gay.

I've always thought there was something unnatural about homosexuality. However, I also believe that people should be treated equally. The fact that someone is gay should have absolutely no bearing (positive or negative) towards that person. They should have the exact same freedom to act and be acted upon as anyone else.
.... no 3-ways? Nope sorry.

What it means is don't lie with a man in the same way you lie with a woman. IE. Don't be gay.

I've always thought there was something unnatural about homosexuality. However, I also believe that people should be treated equally. The fact that someone is gay should have absolutely no bearing (positive or negative) towards that person. They should have the exact same freedom to act and be acted upon as anyone else.
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Actually no...

If he meant that geo he would have said:

"Do not lie with a man as one WOULD lie with a woman"

but he said:

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman"

So that is referring to cheating, not being a homo.
Actually no...

If he meant that geo he would have said:

"Do not lie with a man as one WOULD lie with a woman"

but he said:

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman"

So that is referring to cheating, not being a homo.
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Cross References:

Leviticus 20:13
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

Romans 1:27
"and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, (A)men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

so.... actually yeah.
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Leviticus 20:13
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

Romans 1:27
"and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, (A)men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

so.... actually yeah.
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Maybe in 20:13 but in 18:22 sure came off sounding a lot different

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"thou shall not believe Leciviticus, for you will be hanged and sent to hell"
Maybe in 20:13 but in 18:22 sure came off sounding a lot different

JigSaw : 4:04
"thou shall not believe Leciviticus, for you will be hanged and sent to hell"
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There is a loophole with Leviticus though: if a male gets a full sex change to female, hormone replacement, he is technically a female for all intents and purposes

So if you get sex change its perfectly legal!
There is a loophole with Leviticus though: if a male gets a full sex change to female, hormone replacement, he is technically a female for all intents and purposes

So if you get sex change its perfectly legal!
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JigSaw : Well, that depends on a lot of things. Does a change in body also mean a change in soul? I think most would say not, but then again does the soul have a gender? Does changing from the appearance of a man to a woman mean you've actually changed, or has your outer shell just been rearranged?

Actually, that could be another thread all on its own. Congratulations, JigSaw, you've just made this whole thing more complicated :p
JigSaw : Well, that depends on a lot of things. Does a change in body also mean a change in soul? I think most would say not, but then again does the soul have a gender? Does changing from the appearance of a man to a woman mean you've actually changed, or has your outer shell just been rearranged?

Actually, that could be another thread all on its own. Congratulations, JigSaw, you've just made this whole thing more complicated :p
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I thought everyone was too scared to touch this thread. Then I watched TV for awhile and took a nap and came back to all this??? Wow....

JigSaw : Nice... Although I think you were joking... It IS worded in a way that it could mean 3-ways. LOL.


My opinion: It's not natural... but I tolerate it and treat homosexuals no differently (except I don't really be friends with any because we have nothing in common). It's like having 2 puzzle pieces in your hand that don't fit... and then FORCING them together. LOL.





I thought everyone was too scared to touch this thread. Then I watched TV for awhile and took a nap and came back to all this??? Wow....

JigSaw : Nice... Although I think you were joking... It IS worded in a way that it could mean 3-ways. LOL.


My opinion: It's not natural... but I tolerate it and treat homosexuals no differently (except I don't really be friends with any because we have nothing in common). It's like having 2 puzzle pieces in your hand that don't fit... and then FORCING them together. LOL.


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^ I agree. I think that its unnatural, but I also don't treat them any differently.
^ I agree. I think that its unnatural, but I also don't treat them any differently.
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Kryptic : LOL I like the way you put it with the 2 puzzle pieces thing XD
I think it's not natural too, but I try to respect them as if they weren't. Usually, it isn't that hard really. But I really don't see why they'd want to do that...
Kryptic : LOL I like the way you put it with the 2 puzzle pieces thing XD
I think it's not natural too, but I try to respect them as if they weren't. Usually, it isn't that hard really. But I really don't see why they'd want to do that...
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Honestly, despite what people say, I don't think Christians by default disrespect homosexuals as much as people say they do. The Bible says to love all individuals, even those who are totally evil to you, so people who say "God hates f**s" are not actual Christians.

Just thought it was interesting how many people kept appending "but I respect [fill in the blank]
Honestly, despite what people say, I don't think Christians by default disrespect homosexuals as much as people say they do. The Bible says to love all individuals, even those who are totally evil to you, so people who say "God hates f**s" are not actual Christians.

Just thought it was interesting how many people kept appending "but I respect [fill in the blank]
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This verse is one of those that speaks against homosexuality. I do believe that homosexuality unatural. Although I do not hate the homosexual I do hate the sin.
This verse is one of those that speaks against homosexuality. I do believe that homosexuality unatural. Although I do not hate the homosexual I do hate the sin.
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geeogree : How do you know it is referencing sex? It might mean: Don't marry a man.
geeogree : How do you know it is referencing sex? It might mean: Don't marry a man.
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Bobbynibbles : Because that whole section is talking about unlawful SEXUAL relations.
Bobbynibbles : Because that whole section is talking about unlawful SEXUAL relations.
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The bible is a book filled with words in uncommon language.
In other words, poetry or prose.
Poetry can be interpreted in many ways and it's not in anyones right to say which is the "right" or "wrong" interpretation except the one that wrote it.
And since the person that wrote the words is long dead, enjoy speculating to your hearts content.

Crawldragon : Depending on how you interpret your book, it says you should kill all homosexuals by stoning them to death.
Yes, I've read the arguements about "oh certain bits were only relevent in X time period" but that is again an interpretation.
The bible is a book filled with words in uncommon language.
In other words, poetry or prose.
Poetry can be interpreted in many ways and it's not in anyones right to say which is the "right" or "wrong" interpretation except the one that wrote it.
And since the person that wrote the words is long dead, enjoy speculating to your hearts content.

Crawldragon : Depending on how you interpret your book, it says you should kill all homosexuals by stoning them to death.
Yes, I've read the arguements about "oh certain bits were only relevent in X time period" but that is again an interpretation.
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Frankly, Not all of the bible is poetry, and the books that are, have a clear message.
Frankly, Not all of the bible is poetry, and the books that are, have a clear message.
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DarkHyren : "The bible is a book filled with words in uncommon language.
In other words, poetry or prose.
Poetry can be interpreted in many ways and it's not in anyones right to say which is the "right" or "wrong" interpretation except the one that wrote it.
And since the person that wrote the words is long dead, enjoy speculating to your hearts content."

Except you still need to interpret it according to what the author intended. Any poetry that you read in an English Literature class cannot be interpreted according to your liking. There is still a right or wrong interpretation.

Finally, you could have been able to argue about poetry in another books, but Leviticus is not written in poetry. The song and poetry sections are Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Songs.
DarkHyren : "The bible is a book filled with words in uncommon language.
In other words, poetry or prose.
Poetry can be interpreted in many ways and it's not in anyones right to say which is the "right" or "wrong" interpretation except the one that wrote it.
And since the person that wrote the words is long dead, enjoy speculating to your hearts content."

Except you still need to interpret it according to what the author intended. Any poetry that you read in an English Literature class cannot be interpreted according to your liking. There is still a right or wrong interpretation.

Finally, you could have been able to argue about poetry in another books, but Leviticus is not written in poetry. The song and poetry sections are Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Songs.
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play4fun : Do you know the meaning of the word "poetry"?
Poetry is a form of literary art in which language is used for its aesthetic and evocative qualities in addition to, or in lieu of, its apparent meaning.
That to me looks like it still counts under most of the definition, but even if one argues that it doesn't it is also still written in uncommon language that can be taken in many contexts.

I never said there isn't a "right" and "wrong" interpretation, just that only the author can really say what the correct one is.
And when the author is long dead and there is no way to clarify what they wanted to say then there cant actually be said to be a right and wrong interpretation, despite what some people might say.
play4fun : Do you know the meaning of the word "poetry"?
Poetry is a form of literary art in which language is used for its aesthetic and evocative qualities in addition to, or in lieu of, its apparent meaning.
That to me looks like it still counts under most of the definition, but even if one argues that it doesn't it is also still written in uncommon language that can be taken in many contexts.

I never said there isn't a "right" and "wrong" interpretation, just that only the author can really say what the correct one is.
And when the author is long dead and there is no way to clarify what they wanted to say then there cant actually be said to be a right and wrong interpretation, despite what some people might say.
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DarkHyren : "uncommon language" You're putting too little credit for our ancient languages scholars. Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek are not that mysterious. Even I learned Greek in school.

Even though Moses was long dead, we can still easily understand it through context. As for Leviticus, it does not take that much effort to understand. The ENTIRE book is on purity laws and priestly rituals. You should read it first.
DarkHyren : "uncommon language" You're putting too little credit for our ancient languages scholars. Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek are not that mysterious. Even I learned Greek in school.

Even though Moses was long dead, we can still easily understand it through context. As for Leviticus, it does not take that much effort to understand. The ENTIRE book is on purity laws and priestly rituals. You should read it first.
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